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2008-07-10, 22:19
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? about meth
Last time I smoked meth, I had a $20 and spread it out throughout a day and didn't go to sleep. The next day I thought it had worn off by about 8:00 PM or so, but my heart was beating not fast but irregularly, I had a "sensitivity" of my own heart beat, and a feeling of restlessness in the left side of my chest. I think it could have been a panic attack, but I'm not sure. It felt like I had to take deeper breaths as well. It went away after about 30 minutes or an hour. Was I just having a panic attack/being paranoid or is there something to worry about here?
I also read that some people who smoked meth experienced something called ventricular fibrillation and died. I was wondering how much you'd have to smoke for this to happen, and how the real the possibility is. If I just take like 3-5 hits and then wait an hour or so before my next hits I should be okay right?
EDIT: I was also experiencing "waves of energy" kind of feeling in my chest.
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# 2
2008-07-10, 22:27
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Re: ? about meth
Not a panic attack.
It's just the meth, other stims will make me feel similar. Just deal with it or stop using meth.
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# 3
2008-07-10, 22:31
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Re: ? about meth
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Originally Posted by d4rk3
Not a panic attack.
It's just the meth, other stims will make me feel similar. Just deal with it or stop using meth.
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Well thank you, Sir, for giving me that option.
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# 4
2008-07-10, 22:34
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Re: ? about meth
Adderall and dexedrine do the same shit to me...I got tired of it and stopped using amps.
BTW this didn't happen for quite some time...time off might fix this.
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# 5
2008-07-10, 22:37
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Re: ? about meth
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Originally Posted by d4rk3
Adderall and dexedrine do the same shit to me...I got tired of it and stopped using amps.
BTW this didn't happen for quite some time...time off might fix this.
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So how likely is this "cardiac collapse" or whatever that people keep shoving down my throat? I was happy tweaking for a little bit, and then people start fucking telling me my heart can stop and I can die from all this shit...
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#6
2008-07-10, 22:39 |
d4rk3 
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Re: ? about meth
I'm no doctor, but I'd say you're OK.
How long have you been using?
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2008-07-10, 22:47 |
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Re: ? about meth
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Originally Posted by d4rk3
I'm no doctor, but I'd say you're OK.
How long have you been using?
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I've done it maybe 10 times in the past 2 months. |
# 8
2008-07-10, 22:49
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Re: ? about meth
Smoking methamphetamine is bad for you, just in case you didnt know.
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# 9
2008-07-10, 23:39
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Re: ? about meth
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Originally Posted by RichardPryor
Last time I smoked meth, I had a $20 and spread it out throughout a day and didn't go to sleep. The next day I thought it had worn off
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You're either getting ripped off ($5/point, same as the next), are from australia ($10k/microscopic quantity, lol), or have impure meth, IMO.
Or, a shitload of tolerance.
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardPryor
The next day I thought it had worn off... but my heart was beating not fast but irregularly, I had a "sensitivity" of my own heart beat, and a feeling of restlessness in the left side of my chest.
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All conventional stimulant amphetamines have as a major metabolite the cardiotoxin 4-hydroxyamphetamine... in this case, being meth, it would be 4-hydroxy-n-methylamphetamine. (phenylpropanolamine would be 4,b-dihydroxymethamphetamine, ephedrine would be 4,b-dihydroxy-n-methyl, etc).
Yeah. Cardiotoxins can do that. 'n as you'll notice from the above, unreacted ephedrine in your mefs, while less weight-potent a stimulant, will also metabolize into cardiotoxic 4-hydroxyamphetamines... (which, in fact, should be faintly more potent a cardiotoxin).
'n yes. Not surprisingly, the largest concentration of cardiotoxic metabolites is... after it's metabolized. I.e., when you've just come down.
Have fun!
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# 10
2008-07-10, 23:49
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Re: ? about meth
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Originally Posted by JoePedo
You're either getting ripped off ($5/point, same as the next), are from australia ($10k/microscopic quantity, lol), or have impure meth, IMO.
Or, a shitload of tolerance.
All conventional stimulant amphetamines have as a major metabolite the cardiotoxin 4-hydroxyamphetamine... in this case, being meth, it would be 4-hydroxy-n-methylamphetamine. (phenylpropanolamine would be 4,b-dihydroxymethamphetamine, ephedrine would be 4,b-dihydroxy-n-methyl, etc).
Yeah. Cardiotoxins can do that. 'n as you'll notice from the above, unreacted ephedrine in your mefs, while less weight-potent a stimulant, will also metabolize into cardiotoxic 4-hydroxyamphetamines... (which, in fact, should be faintly more potent a cardiotoxin).
'n yes. Not surprisingly, the largest concentration of cardiotoxic metabolites is... after it's metabolized. I.e., when you've just come down.
Have fun!
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Is it deadly though?
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# 11
2008-07-10, 23:51
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Re: ? about meth
yeah being aware of your own heart beat is called a palpitation
you'll be fine, by the sound of it you didn't take enough to go into vfib
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# 12
2008-07-11, 00:01
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Re: ? about meth
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Originally Posted by house
yeah being aware of your own heart beat is called a palpitation
you'll be fine, by the sound of it you didn't take enough to go into vfib
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5 hits is pretty light right?
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# 13
2008-07-11, 01:22
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Re: ? about meth
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Originally Posted by RichardPryor
Is it deadly though?
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It can be.
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# 14
2008-07-11, 01:30
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Re: ? about meth
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Originally Posted by JoePedo
It can be.
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How do I make it not deadly? Is there something I can do to flush it out or something? Water?
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2008-07-11, 02:13 |
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Re: ? about meth
How do I make it not deadly? Is there something I can do to flush it out or something? Water?
nope. Just keep your tweeking to a minimum and you'll be fine. 10 times in two months is getting to be excessive IMO and you are probably fairly close to a full-blown, every day addiction. For hard drugs, I've always done the once a month thing as a general rule to staying healthy. Of course, there was a point in time where I didn't stick to that :-P
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2008-07-11, 02:42 |
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Re: ? about meth
nope. Just keep your tweeking to a minimum and you'll be fine. 10 times in two months is getting to be excessive IMO and you are probably fairly close to a full-blown, every day addiction. For hard drugs, I've always done the once a month thing as a general rule to staying healthy. Of course, there was a point in time where I didn't stick to that :-P
Meth is weird weird weird. After tweaking, I come down and think I'm tired of it and Im ready to sleep, but even though Im tired of it my mind says "You wont be tired of it once you smoke it". That's why I think the shit is so addicting. I knew where to get Adderall for a long time and thought it was the greatest thing ever, and come to find out meth and adderall aren't very similar feeling for me. I can't just sit and play guitar for hour after hour on meth. whereas on adderall I can.
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2008-07-11, 03:39 |
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Re: ? about meth
How do I make it not deadly?
Custom designer stimulant synthesis with a shitload of biometabolic knowledge.
Is there something I can do to flush it out or something? Water?[/QUOTE]
lower(ing) urinary pH, reduc{es} methamphetamine's elimination half-life and thus decreasing the duration of its actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine
However...
1. As noted, it will also shorten the shit out of the high, and...
2. It's not known how well this works on the 4-OH-Amps - just the meth itself. In fact, as a semizwittwerionic substance, 4-OH-(M)A is very likely to have isoelectric and other differences... but, it'll prevent the remaining meth from turning into its parahydroxylated analogs, 'n by the time you're crashing, that little residual isn't doing anything but keeping you up to feel the misery anyway...
CG has some pretty decent advice as well, 'n ffs, take breaks between tweaking... dropping meth with a huge tolerance and a fuckload of 4-OH-A in your system from last time is just asking for trouble... the metabolite lasts a bit longer than the drug, bloodstream-wise.
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2008-07-11, 03:45 |
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Re: ? about meth
Custom designer stimulant synthesis with a shitload of biometabolic knowledge.
Is there something I can do to flush it out or something? Water?
lower(ing) urinary pH, reduc{es} methamphetamine's elimination half-life and thus decreasing the duration of its actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine
However...
1. As noted, it will also shorten the shit out of the high, and...
2. It's not known how well this works on the 4-OH-Amps - just the meth itself. In fact, as a semizwittwerionic substance, 4-OH-(M)A is very likely to have isoelectric and other differences... but, it'll prevent the remaining meth from turning into its parahydroxylated analogs, 'n by the time you're crashing, that little residual isn't doing anything but keeping you up to feel the misery anyway...
CG has some pretty decent advice as well, 'n ffs, take breaks between tweaking... dropping meth with a huge tolerance and a fuckload of 4-OH-A in your system from last time is just asking for trouble... the metabolite lasts a bit longer than the drug, bloodstream-wise.[/QUOTE]
How do I lower the urinary ph
EDIT: I don't know why that happened...
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2008-07-11, 04:15 |
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Re: ? about meth
EDIT: I don't know why that happened...
...because the board thinks there's a "/quote" tag after the word "water" for some reason...
How do I lower the urinary ph
http://www.drugs.com/condition/urinary-acidification.html
...should give you a list of prescription drugs to do it, if you (or your dealer, print out this thread and show it to her/him if you wish) has diversion capacity...
Also...
Acute acid loading stimulates endogenous PTH secretion... enhancing urinary acidification...
http://ajprenal.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/256/6/F973
drinking vinegar/lemonade/w.e. appears to succeed, semisurprisingly. Thank $diety the body's apparently oversensitive to pH homeostasis...
...and...
http://www.drugs.com/comments/potassium-phosphate-sodium-phosphate/for-urinary-acidification.html
Reactive metal phosphates seem to work... watch out for overdose, I'm sure phossy jaw has to suck.
(oh, and completely off-topic... for the benadryl fans, how 'bout antimuscarinic prodrugs (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7384980.html?stemming=on)? All the hallucinatory delerium in long-acting form with randomly-delayed onset and no histamine effects just has to be the ultimate in total global mindfuck, right?)
Anyways... there's three means. The ascorbic acid, otoh, is a noradrenergic potentiator - great for preloading stopping ~2-3 days before, probably not good while on meth (it'll flush it out of your system) or crashing (it could keep you up when you finally need to sleep). Still a last-ditch resort if you think you're going to keel over and die in the next minute, though, otherwise, skip for this purpouse.
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2008-07-11, 04:18 |
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Re: ? about meth
...because the board thinks there's a "/quote" tag after the word "water" for some reason...
http://www.drugs.com/condition/urinary-acidification.html
...should give you a list of prescription drugs to do it, if you (or your dealer, print out this thread and show it to her/him if you wish) has diversion capacity...
Also...
Acute acid loading stimulates endogenous PTH secretion... enhancing urinary acidification...
http://ajprenal.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/256/6/F973
drinking vinegar/lemonade/w.e. appears to succeed, semisurprisingly. Thank $diety the body's apparently oversensitive to pH homeostasis...
...and...
http://www.drugs.com/comments/potassium-phosphate-sodium-phosphate/for-urinary-acidification.html
Reactive metal phosphates seem to work... watch out for overdose, I'm sure phossy jaw has to suck.
(oh, and completely off-topic... for the benadryl fans, how 'bout antimuscarinic prodrugs (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7384980.html?stemming=on)? All the hallucinatory delerium in long-acting form with randomly-delayed onset and no histamine effects just has to be the ultimate in total global mindfuck, right?)
Anyways... there's three means. The ascorbic acid, otoh, is a noradrenergic potentiator - great for preloading stopping ~2-3 days before, probably not good while on meth (it'll flush it out of your system) or crashing (it could keep you up when you finally need to sleep). Still a last-ditch resort if you think you're going to keel over and die in the next minute, though, otherwise, skip for this purpouse.
Thanks, man. You always contribute something decent.
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# 21
2008-07-11, 04:18
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Re: ? about meth
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Originally Posted by RichardPryor
5 hits is pretty light right?
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i dk, i snorted it
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# 22
2008-07-11, 04:39
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Wouldn't You Like To Know, MI
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Re: ? about meth
well you could always smoke and snort it at the same time...aka hotrailing
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