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Old 2008-07-09, 15:56
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It has come to my attention that much of the great technology in the world has come from the human want to kill anther human or defend its self from being killed. I am talking about the Military. Let me list some examples, I don't feel like citing and its not the point of my post any way.

The US and Soviet Space program - The military technology and influence is so blatant. Most of the rockets up to the N1 and US's Saturn V and Soviet's N1 were rather misses with the nuclear bomb replaced with a money or something or the space rockets where made of several parts of other military rockets. Its a shame that there was no need to nuke mars.

Hubble telescopic - Optics from spy satellites, but faced the other way

Nice satellite view maps - spy satellites with nothing better to do

A large Amount Early Nuclear research - You know this story

Teflon - made in the pursuit to extract uranium (not the space program) , UF6 is some really corrosive stuff

The internet - ARPANET was started by the US DOD

A large amount of the advancement in aviation - Those commies lived a long ways away, we need good planes.

Gyroscopic auto pilot - First seen in the V2 rocket

Now to the point of my post does any one have any more information on this? I would really like to read more on this concept.
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Old 2008-07-10, 01:47
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Automatic transmissions for motorcars and the Haber process for producing ammonia.
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Old 2008-07-10, 10:07
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the use of solvents to extract metals came from the Manhattan project.

alot of chemical production methods come from various armed forces finding ways to make toxic gasses (in a similiar fashion to the haber process mentioned) and the like.

there are hundreds of examples. i wouldn't be surprised if wikipedia had a big list of them.
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Old 2008-07-10, 13:48
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i wouldn't be surprised if wikipedia had a big list of them.
This is the best I could do: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar...ing_of_science

http://www.unu.edu/unupress/unupbook...e/uu38ne0a.htm Also seems to have some interesting information.
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Old 2008-07-11, 13:28
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Duct Tape, Band Aids, etc.
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Old 2008-07-11, 15:38
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GPS

Improvements in metallurgy and the understanding of materials

Not to mention alot of modern medicines, drugs and surgical techniques for treating patients.
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Old 2008-07-11, 20:26
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Microwaves ;D
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Old 2008-07-11, 21:17
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war always drives the fastest advances in technology, its the competetion.
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Old 2008-07-11, 21:25
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I'm guessing the shit that the governments know how to do isn't anywhere near what is released to the public, imagine all the recovered crashed alien craft over the years, reverse engineering all them, finding out how things work, surely they would of had an idea how to do things better, propulsion (aurora spyplane?), weapons, anti gravity, etc.
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Old 2008-07-12, 22:13
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The internet - ARPANET was started by the US DOD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cern#Computer_science
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Old 2008-07-13, 03:20
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cern#Computer_science

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpanet

There is a difference between "the Internet" and "the World Wide Web". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet#The_World_Wide_Web for Wikipedia's bit on the difference. The differentiation is nit-picky for most everyday uses, but there it is.
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Old 2008-07-13, 11:02
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Mankind needs a common enemy. I think its almost the only way to unite us and then imagine what we could do.
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Old 2008-07-13, 13:28
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Mankind needs a common enemy. I think its almost the only way to unite us and then imagine what we could do.


Robots.
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Old 2008-07-13, 16:25
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arpanet

There is a difference between "the Internet" and "the World Wide Web". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet#The_World_Wide_Web for Wikipedia's bit on the difference. The differentiation is nit-picky for most everyday uses, but there it is.

Look at that. You learn something new every day...
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Old 2008-07-16, 04:05
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I'm guessing the shit that the governments know how to do isn't anywhere near what is released to the public, imagine all the recovered crashed alien craft over the years, reverse engineering all them, finding out how things work, surely they would of had an idea how to do things better, propulsion (aurora spyplane?), weapons, anti gravity, etc.


Yea, those aliens sure are great. They make such awesome space crafts, now if only they wouldn't drink and drive. Seriously though you dumb fuck, I'm new so I'm not sure if you're being serious so if you're not I'm sorry -flame me- if you are then get fucking real. if aliens could make vehicles capable of going through space with ease then I think they could make a good auto pilot.
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Old 2008-07-16, 20:54
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:D Love it.
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Old 2008-07-17, 02:16
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Yea, those aliens sure are great. They make such awesome space crafts, now if only they wouldn't drink and drive. Seriously though you dumb fuck, I'm new so I'm not sure if you're being serious so if you're not I'm sorry -flame me- if you are then get fucking real. if aliens could make vehicles capable of going through space with ease then I think they could make a good auto pilot.

That's a dumb argument. Who said it has to be able to go through space with such ease? Say humans send a probe or something off deep into space. After a long time I wouldn't be that surprised if it crashed on a planet and if there were intelligent life forms on that planet they could likely learn a few things from it.
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Old 2008-07-18, 12:59
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Keep the discussion within the realms of accepted/mainstream/standard (?) science, or bring it to Science of the Damned. So, you know, no more UFOs.
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Old 2008-07-21, 02:10
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Just think where we would be now if the government put all that military funding into general science funding.
ex:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider

Would have had almost 4.5 times the energy output of the LHC.

A shame really.
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Old 2008-07-23, 04:34
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Just think where we would be now if the government put all that military funding into general science funding.
ex:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider

Would have had almost 4.5 times the energy output of the LHC.

A shame really.


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12 billion a week is a SHITLOAD of money!
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Old 2008-07-23, 04:44
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I really wish that there was something in the constitution that said something to the effect of "for every dollar you spend on the military, you must spend a dollar on a project to better humanity"

It's really depressing when a great invention is hijacked and used to kill people. Airplanes are a great example. Fireworks are another. In 1903, the wright brothers flew a powered aircraft for the first time in human history. Eleven years later, it was being used to kill during the "great" war.
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Old 2008-07-26, 09:24
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Airplanes are a great example. Fireworks are another. In 1903, the wright brothers flew a powered aircraft for the first time in human history. Eleven years later, it was being used to kill during the "great" war.

It's not the tool that's ever the problem. It's how you use it. A pistol/aircraft/etc. can be used for good or evil, depending on the person behind it.
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Old 2008-07-27, 11:07
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Yea, those aliens sure are great. They make such awesome space crafts, now if only they wouldn't drink and drive.

I lol'd.

Anyway, I wonder what technology the military does have stashed away? Not paranormal bullshit, but actual technology. My guess is some crypto stuff, and some nuclear stuff.
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Old 2008-07-27, 17:07
Quageschi Quageschi is offline
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I lol'd.

Anyway, I wonder what technology the military does have stashed away? Not paranormal bullshit, but actual technology. My guess is some crypto stuff, and some nuclear stuff.

I doubt it, they buy all there shit from corporations.
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Old 2008-07-28, 04:48
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It's not the tool that's ever the problem. It's how you use it. A pistol/aircraft/etc. can be used for good or evil, depending on the person behind it.

I completely agree. I'm not saying that the wright brothers did WRONG by venturing forth into the skies. Just airplanes as an example of a scientific discovery that was immediately used for war.

Although I'm not sure I can see a pistol being used peacefully to further human knowledge for the betterment of mankind...
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