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 #1 
Old 2008-07-06, 20:11
Acolyte
 
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Default Question about Acid

I have a simple question about Acid is it worth doing, Iv had people tell me it was the most influential experience's of there life if thats so I wanna give it a try
 #2 
Old 2008-07-06, 20:15
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its more of an opinion than a fact. some people will love it, some people will regret doing it. only person who can tell you that is yourself. for what its worth, i dont regret ever trying it. and yes, if you use it right, it can change your life completly.
 #3 
Old 2008-07-06, 20:16
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Taking acid for the first time was the most influential event in my life since being born.

Do it.

Then enlighten all your friends.
 #4 
Old 2008-07-06, 20:20
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what exactly is so enlightening about it? and what would be the best way to do it?
over the past couple of weeks bltc has made me want to try it...
 #5 
Old 2008-07-06, 20:22
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Short answer: Yes

Long answer : Yes

And instead of just doing it, try doing a couple. :)

I promise you won't regret it.
 #6 
Old 2008-07-06, 20:23
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if you want a life changing experience, go do it alone, in a comfortable setting. (maybe a basement with a beanbag chair :) ) have the lights dimmed if possible, maybe some stuff to play with. (sillyputty, tv, music, light machine, whatever else) and just let yourself go.
 #7 
Old 2008-07-06, 20:23
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what exactly is so enlightening about it?

I'd like to know this aswell since I'm eager in trying it out atleast once in my life.

I've done shrooms but all they did to me was having the most stupid conversations and laughing alot. (they where great experiences but I'd like to hallucinate wich shrooms didnt seem to do for me)
 #8 
Old 2008-07-06, 20:25
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its kinda hard to explain unless youve tried it. your reality changes. you open up to new ways of thinking, both in a good and bad way.
 #9 
Old 2008-07-06, 20:26
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Just do it. Words cannot properly describe the experience in it's entirety, plus the experience is pretty different for everyone.

You'll see what it's all about. Just do it.
 #10 
Old 2008-07-06, 20:29
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also, its probly worth mentioning, if your underage, or just dont want to be caught, dont do it unless you know FOR SURE nobody will be home for at least 24hrs. depending on how much you take. not that it will last 24hrs, but its always good to give yourself a little time to get back to normal.
 #11 
Old 2008-07-06, 20:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkus
Just do it. Words cannot properly describe the experience in it's entirety, plus the experience is pretty different for everyone.

You'll see what it's all about. Just do it.


is it possible to compare it to shrooms in any way at all?
 #12 
Old 2008-07-06, 20:46
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is it possible to compare it to shrooms in any way at all?

No. Other than being 'trippy', their effects on the human mind are very different from one another. I am confident you'll like acid better.
 #13 
Old 2008-07-06, 20:48
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is it possible to compare it to shrooms in any way at all?

well besides the fact that they both cost $$$, and are both hallucinogens, not really.
 #14 
Old 2008-07-06, 20:49
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well besides the fact that they both cost $$$, and are both hallucinogens, not really.

Yes, but acid costs a lot less money :)

Unless you're getting ripped off of course.
 #15 
Old 2008-07-06, 20:53
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Yes, but acid costs a lot less money :)

Unless you're getting ripped off of course.

it really depends on where you live, and how much you buy. but yes, thats normally true.
 #16 
Old 2008-07-06, 20:55
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it really depends on where you live, and how much you buy. but yes, thats normally true.

Hippie friends are good to have. And since I have hippie friends all over the country it typically isn't much of a problem :)
 #17 
Old 2008-07-06, 21:15
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Yes, but acid costs a lot less money :)

Unless you're getting ripped off of course.

I paid 7,50 for a portion of dried shrooms

http://www.buy-magic-mushrooms.com/shop/image.php?productid=1
<------ not dried, but you get where I'm going

and found out yesterday that the normal price per blotter is around 5 euro's

so it's around the same price i'd say.
 #18 
Old 2008-07-06, 21:48
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In my opinion its a cleaner trip than shrooms, but how much you will like it depends on lots of factors. You might like it, you might not.
 #19 
Old 2008-07-06, 21:51
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To those who are saying the two drugs are "completely different," in what way do you think that? They are very closely related, in my opinion, and both can be tools for ego loss.
 #20 
Old 2008-07-06, 21:56
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Originally Posted by CosmicZombie
I have a simple question about Acid is it worth doing, Iv had people tell me it was the most influential experience's of there life if thats so I wanna give it a try


What is this?! IS THIS ENGLISH?!?!

Did you even finish middle school? Jesus Christ. I call troll.

Also, if you call me out on being a pretentious asshole for this, just remember that not using proper grammar makes you look like an uneducated prick no matter where you are - even on the internet.

It's also good for practice! I would have never mastered the hyphen, or the semicolon were it not for BLTC!
 #21 
Old 2008-07-06, 21:58
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Originally Posted by Anirak
To those who are saying the two drugs are "completely different," in what way do you think that? They are very closely related, in my opinion, and both can be tools for ego loss.


nobody said they were completly different.
 #22 
Old 2008-07-06, 23:22
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nobody said they were completly different.

Except for this guy:

No. Other than being 'trippy', their effects on the human mind are very different from one another. I am confident you'll like acid better.

He seems to have used the word "very" rather than completely. There was one more person who said it even more strongly. Oh wait, that was you:

well besides the fact that they both cost $$$, and are both hallucinogens, not really.

You were clearly implying here that they were "completely" different, saying that the only thing in common was that they cost money and had the same classification as hallucinogen. Don't try to tell me that in saying they are hallucinogens you were saying they are similar, because it is clear from the structure of your sentence that you were implying that the "hallucinogen" label was only a tenuous connection with regard to their effects.

What is this?! IS THIS ENGLISH?!?!

Did you even finish middle school? Jesus Christ. I call troll.

To be honest, it's not that hard to understand; he just forgot some punctuation. I'll add in a little bit without changing any words:

I have a simple question about Acid. is it worth doing?, Iv had people tell me it was the most influential experience's of there life; if thats so I wanna give it a try

Made it perfectly readable just by adding three marks of punctuation, all of which could have been inferred from words like "I have," which implies I declarative statement, "is," which, when at the beginning of a sentence implies a question; "Iv had people tell me" also clearly implies a declarative statement.
 #23 
Old 2008-07-06, 23:23
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Instead of tearing peoples posts apart do you actually have the capacity to contribute something?

I'm just curious.
 #24 
Old 2008-07-07, 00:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkus
Instead of tearing peoples posts apart do you actually have the capacity to contribute something?

I'm just curious.


Yes, I tried to but then someone started nitpicking at my choice of the word "completely."

To those who are saying the two drugs are "completely different," in what way do you think that? They are very closely related, in my opinion, and both can be tools for ego loss.

I was trying to spur some conversation, to find out what people thought made them different.

As for your claim that I was "tearing peoples posts apart," I was quoting the posts in which people said they were different to refute the claim that "no one said they were." Pretty simple stuff, really.

Didn't really "tear" a post apart, unless you are talking about that post where I added punctuation. In that case I was only attempting to defend the original poster, who I felt was attacked harshly and unnecessarily.

It seems like people do not want to actually take the time to make clear points with substance, and anyone who does is attacked. I believe that people who are hassling others over punctuation (when the lack thereof doesn't necessarily make the post unreadable) and choice of words (like "completely" instead of "very") are the ones who are "tearing posts apart," and furthermore, I think the only reason you are posting this is because you feel hostile toward me from the other thread (another case of where I was trying to defend someone from "bandwagon" flaming).
 #25 
Old 2008-07-07, 00:35
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I was trying to spur some conversation, to find out what people thought made them different.

As for your claim that I was "tearing peoples posts apart," I was quoting the posts in which people said they were different to refute the claim that "no one said they were." Pretty simple stuff, really.

Didn't really "tear" a post apart, unless you are talking about that post where I added punctuation. In that case I was only attempting to defend the original poster, who I felt was attacked harshly and unnecessarily.

It seems like people do not want to actually take the time to make clear points with substance, and anyone who does is attacked. I believe that people who are hassling others over punctuation (when the lack thereof doesn't necessarily make the post unreadable) and choice of words (like "completely" instead of "very") are the ones who are "tearing posts apart," and furthermore, I think the only reason you are posting this is because you feel hostile toward me from the other thread (another case of where I was trying to defend someone from "bandwagon" flaming).

Oh, you're right. I just have trouble admitting it ;)

I'm going to type up my opinions on how the two drugs are different in a bit. Kinda busy at the moment.

And yes, grammar nazis suck. I wasn't implying you were anywhere close to them - As long as you can read the post there's no reason to flame them. This isn't English class after all, plus that little correction you made on a message board isn't going to change the way they type ;)

And nah, I think we cleared things up in the other post as far as that goes. :)

However I think a few of my statements in this thread are pretty relevant. None of them concerning you, though, just the ones before that.

So, we cool mah nigga?
 #26 
Old 2008-07-07, 00:46
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Oh, you're right. I just have trouble admitting it ;)

I'm going to type up my opinions on how the two drugs are different in a bit. Kinda busy at the moment.

And yes, grammar nazis suck. I wasn't implying you were anywhere close to them - As long as you can read the post there's no reason to flame them. This isn't English class after all, plus that little correction you made on a message board isn't going to change the way they type ;)

And nah, I think we cleared things up in the other post as far as that goes. :)

However I think a few of my statements in this thread are pretty relevant. None of them concerning you, though, just the ones before that.

So, we cool mah nigga?

Yeah dude, no animosity was meant toward you. I just don't like seeing people flame others just to "show off." Good posters/thinkers don't use insults and name-calling as a substitute for actually well-thought, relevant posts.

I've done both acid and shrooms twice, and I still can't say that I've noticed a distinguishable difference. Each trip was completely unique, really. First time on shrooms I got a lot of visuals, second time, almost none. On acid I got very few visuals, but on one of the trips I got an very revealing glimpse at reality.
 #27 
Old 2008-07-07, 00:59
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Made it perfectly readable just by adding three marks of punctuation, all of which could have been inferred from words like "I have," which implies I declarative statement, "is," which, when at the beginning of a sentence implies a question; "Iv had people tell me" also clearly implies a declarative statement.

Yeah, yeah.... But he "forgot" nearly all of the punctuation, and misspelled quite a few words. Call me a Nazi, but that sort of thing tends to get on my nerves.

Nice use of the semicolon, btw. Cool
 #28 
Old 2008-07-07, 01:06
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Try taking a good bit Anirak. I'm pretty sure you won't regret it man.

Really strong acid trips and relatively low dose trips are completely different.

I've gotten many people to trip with me their first time. They usually trust my judgment on dose, so I ask them if they'd be against a pretty strong trip. Most of the time they say no.

I always end up tripping with them for the entirety of the night. Line up certain activities -- yanno, the truly enlightening experiences.

About 20 minutes after dosing I'll play the Yellow Submarine DVD to come up on. The movie is ridiculously psychedelic and generally will put someone in a good mind set. At the end, they're coming up pretty hard, and they'll have a pretty serious distortion of time, not having a clue how much time just passed. That movie can do it. Also have some cool posters to look at:

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/7678/warriorwomanvk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/8272/omnisciencebi3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/1314/magiceyecb5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6127/0706082229pw3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Usually after the movie I'll take them outside to smoke a bowl. That'll usually kick things into high gear for them. I have an excellent place for tripping. Shitty quality but you get the idea.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/1979/0625080519ahs3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

During the day, plenty of different colored trees and other plants around to look at, and a decent amount of room to explore. At night, usually have a very nice dark sky because of the little light pollution around where I live. Some nights you can see hundreds of stars.

Until sunset I usually play them some good acid music. Grateful Dead, Pink Floyd, Shpongle, Younger Brother, are some excellent examples. Also, if you like the Beatles, their acid phase has some excellent songs and albums. I highly recommend their CD "LOVE". Pretty much a perfect acid album. Look it up, you'll find it.

Once the sun starts setting I'll take them to the fire pit at the bottom. Here's where they get completely lost.

Staring at a fire on acid can take you places. I can't even describe it, really. It puts you in a complete trance state, and your mind wanders all over. Just...just do it. I have these color changing fire sticks that just make it all the more amazing:

http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/ce/b/AAAAAmeeHR4AAAAAAM67tQ.jpg

Once it's completely dark I'll put the fire out. By then they've done a lot of mind clearing. These are the beneficial parts on acid in my opinion. Acid is a good tool for cleaning your mind. 'Dusting' it off, if you will.

Fire's out, the sky is dark. I have a lot of cool LED toys to play with in the dark. I'll usually give them a bit of a light show to some music. Very good combination. Why do you think you see it all the time at festivals and concerts? This is usually when I break out the nitrous too.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8198/0706082156rg5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/3778/n5426860376551824513jw3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Looking at the starry sky is just amazing on acid. Seeing the things stars do is pretty intense. Add a few blinking plane nights and hundreds of fire flies, and your jaw will drop :)
Spend a lot of the evening outside in the dark.

All the filler time in between can be spent doing whatever, but a lot of what I just said will occupy a good portion.

Eat fruit! Apples, oranges, bananas, strawberries. They all taste great and are good nutrients for the trip.

Use my examples as set and setting. Obviously they are a rough guideline, but doing those things has made EVERYONE who has tripped with me for their first time greatly enjoy the experience. They are by far the most important parts of the trip.

Trip safe.

</rant>

TL;DR? - Move along. :)
 #29 
Old 2008-07-07, 01:42
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I hope that post isn't the last one in the thread. That's a lot of wasted effort :P
 #30 
Old 2008-07-07, 01:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkus
Just do it. Words cannot properly describe the experience in it's entirety, plus the experience is pretty different for everyone.

You'll see what it's all about. Just do it.


qft


I'm the youngest totsean as far as i know at age 13(anyone who wants to debate, post a thread in SG)
and acid was the most beautiful amazing experience ever. Oddly, i tried salvia first. it was more enlightening, but MUCH scarier, and much more intense. So if you have the chance, try shrooms or acid. You really won't regret it.
Just go into it calm and your expectations will be blown away.
 #31 
Old 2008-07-07, 01:59
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you said theres a big difference between low doses and high doses. is that like the difference between 1 and 3 hits?
 #32 
Old 2008-07-07, 02:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dummy
you said theres a big difference between low doses and high doses. is that like the difference between 1 and 3 hits?


Yes, there's a big difference. Check erowid for the effects of each dose.
 #33 
Old 2008-07-07, 02:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dummy
you said theres a big difference between low doses and high doses. is that like the difference between 1 and 3 hits?


Depends entirely on the strength.

There are some really, really weak blotters and there are some really, really strong ones.

Obviously taking 3 of one and 3 of the other will be quite different.

However, with good blotters I usually like taking 5. I'm always a fan of the stronger trips, because I feel the lower ones 'mentally blue ball' you in a way.
 #34 
Old 2008-07-07, 02:11
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Depends entirely on the strength.

There are some really, really weak blotters and there are some really, really strong ones.

Obviously taking 3 of one and 3 of the other will be quite different.

However, with good blotters I usually like taking 5. I'm always a fan of the stronger trips, because I feel the lower ones 'mentally blue ball' you in a way.

I didn't take strength into account :(
 #35 
Old 2008-07-07, 02:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by alex333
its kinda hard to explain unless youve tried it. your reality changes. you open up to new ways of thinking, both in a good and bad way.


That is a good way of putting it.
 #36 
Old 2008-07-07, 02:19
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make sure you eat enough of it, there is nothing worse than not eating enough acid in my opinion.

EDIT: in response to darkus, i got a better place to eat acid http://www.melodytrip.com/Community/photos/all_good_2006/images/13758/original.aspx
 #37 
Old 2008-07-07, 02:35
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EDIT: in response to darkus, i got a better place to eat acid http://www.melodytrip.com/Community/photos/all_good_2006/images/13758/original.aspx

Been there my man. Last three years.

Sadly, I am missing out this year. :( Damn money.

The woods up behind Rope-A-dope on the highest point in the fest is where I camped. Near the 5 or 6 nitrous tanks :) The view from there was awesome. Could see the entire sea of tents and flocks of people.

If you came in there at night and saw lots of light toys and heard guitar and djembe, that was us.

I was disappointed in Les because he played practically the same set he played in '06.

All Good is my favorite festival. I dunno, there's just something...special about it.
 #38 
Old 2008-07-07, 02:44
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Originally Posted by CosmicZombie
I have a simple question about Acid is it worth doing, Iv had people tell me it was the most influential experience's of there life if thats so I wanna give it a try


Meh, I personally liked mushrooms better. I could feel the difference between natural and chemically induced hallucinations and thoughts. Mushrooms are more personal and exposing of your true self. Acid tends to do the same, but through a different perspective. I almost want to say, somebody else's perspective.
 #39 
Old 2008-07-07, 02:46
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^ yeah, les did suck last year, but im still gonna miss him this year. still will be a blast, and it better be, my 4th all good in a row.

so you were there in '06? i think that was the best year IMO, especially friday night, medeski and the itch>bought some shards>claypool>ween>mike trey and the duo>the Bridge>Disco Biscuits
 #40 
Old 2008-07-07, 02:56
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I really liked last year too. It was fucking sick.

STS9's late night (early morning) was fucking outrageous.

Clouds rolling in a few songs in, perfect canvas for a light show. I was candyflipping my balls off for that.

Dark Star was pretty awesome, and I was a fan of The Duo's show too.

I'm not a huge fan, but I think moe. put on a hell of a throw down.

Did you get any of the killer liquid doses going around? I was tripping so god damn hard my brain was oozing out my ears. Ah, memories.

I can't believe it's been a year already...

Check out Bassnectar man. I dunno if you've given him a listen before but you'll feel his music pulse throughout your body. There's a reason he's called Bassnectar ;)
 #41 
Old 2008-07-07, 03:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkus
I really liked last year too. It was fucking sick.

STS9's late night (early morning) was fucking outrageous.

Clouds rolling in a few songs in, perfect canvas for a light show. I was candyflipping my balls off for that.

Dark Star was pretty awesome, and I was a fan of The Duo's show too.

I'm not a huge fan, but I think moe. put on a hell of a throw down.

Did you get any of the killer liquid doses going around? I was tripping so god damn hard my brain was oozing out my ears. Ah, memories.

I can't believe it's been a year already...

Check out Bassnectar man. I dunno if you've given him a listen before but you'll feel his music pulse throughout your body. There's a reason he's called Bassnectar ;)



A+ STS9
A+ Bassnectar (My friend Charlie ate lunch with him a few days ago!)
 #42 
Old 2008-07-07, 03:00
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LSD makes you aware of shit you would most likely figure out later in life.
 #43 
Old 2008-07-07, 03:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBlackPope
LSD makes you aware of shit you would most likely figure out later in life.


Thanks for verifying most of what was already said :)

And no, there are a lot of things LSD has to offer that hardly anyone will change in their life time. It's a lot more than 'figuring' things out.

It's changing.

It's altering your perspective.

It's self betterment.
 #44 
Old 2008-07-07, 04:06
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Did you get any of the killer liquid doses going around?

ahhhh, no. i looked so hard for liquid and couldn't find any, same with some shard molly. most of the doses i ate were shitty gel tabs. i missed moe. and sts9 cuz i ate too much acid for ozric and was way too spun to trip. i must have eaten like 5 gel tabs and 2 blotters and still wasnt tripping, it was gay.

But yeah, i wouldn't miss bassnectar for the world, it sucks he's only doing a 45 minute set as opposed to a late night set which he deserves.

btw, i updated my profile with contact info
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Old 2008-07-07, 04:14
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Yeah, yeah.... But he "forgot" nearly all of the punctuation, and misspelled quite a few words. Call me a Nazi, but that sort of thing tends to get on my nerves.

Nice use of the semicolon, btw. Cool

Thanks Cool

Try taking a good bit Anirak. I'm pretty sure you won't regret it man.

Really strong acid trips and relatively low dose trips are completely different.

...

Use my examples as set and setting. Obviously they are a rough guideline, but doing those things has made EVERYONE who has tripped with me for their first time greatly enjoy the experience. They are by far the most important parts of the trip.

Quality post btw, lots of good ideas.
 #46 
Old 2008-07-07, 05:12
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lots of good ideas.

I've done more than enough acid to realize what sucks while tripping and what the really good shit is :)

I guarantee you do any of those things above you won't have a bad time.
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Old 2008-07-07, 05:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CosmicZombie
I have a simple question about Acid is it worth doing, Iv had people tell me it was the most influential experience's of there life if thats so I wanna give it a try


This varies so much from person ot person and from one experience to the next. If you want in deph specific infro I can attempt to infrom you on msn and would be happy to do so. For basic info that will be essentialy spoon fed to you, check out erowid.org Also, just so you get a better drasp of what you are asking imagince this .


"Is caffeine worth taking? I hear some say it is their favourite way to start their day"

What I am getting at is that it is an individual aspect and rather broad to ask this aobut LSD or any drug, hell even any activity for that matter.
 
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