Hi totse,

So yesterday me and my boyfriend decided to try out legal highs. We purchased the London Underground 'Head Candy' MDMA alternative and we didn't really know what to expect.

Pretty astonished at how good it was - it was practically the same as taking ecstasy.

Tomorrow, we're going to try LU's 'Mind Music' tabs, apparently it's supposed to give a similar feel to opium.

Has anyone tried 'Mind Music' before, or any other headshop alternatives?

from my experience, most "legal alternatives" tend to be crap. normally a bunch of random herbs with some caffeine thrown in for "stimulant" effects. good job finding ones that worked for you. (or at least gave a placebo effect)

No, but kratom is a nice legal high, i dont know about all those legal X and marijuana shit you see all over the internet, they are usually just mixes of different psychoactive herbs. Do you know of the ingredients in those "music tabs" or "head candy"?

Mind Music - 150mg blend of herbal extracts, vitamins, Dicalcium phosphate, Magnesium Sterate

Head Candy - 150mg D.O.M.S. proprietary herbal blend, 150mg blend of herbal extracts, vitamins, Dicalcium phosphate, Magnesium Sterate

Positive it was not placebo. I've done MDMA 50+ times and it came pretty close to the real thing.

oh sorry, when you said legal highs, i thought you ment the kind of crap you buy at gas stations. for legal highs, erowid has a huge database, if you didnt already know.

i prefer dxm, diphenhydramine is ok, and if your over 18, you can get ephedrine at walmart. or if your into plants, h.b. woodrose is great, just go to a nursery and you should be able to find it depending on what area of the world you live in.

edit: the ingredients sound like the stuff i described in the first post. although the herbal extracts is a pretty broad range of things it could be....

Yeah, I know of erowid :)

I really want to try dxm too, but haven't succeeded in buying any yet :(

how old are you? that changes your options alot. if you live in a smaller town, lots of general stores still keep things on shelves, that most big stores keep behind the counters nowdays.
and btw, nitrous is great, and legal.

Kratom

Kava Kava

Salvia

DXM (Although I don't know the laws over there)

LSA (Morning Glory, or preferably Hawaiin Baby Woodrose.)

and some research chemicals have yet to be scheduled.

Also, while crystalline n,n-DMT is illegal to possess, the precursors are not. You can legally obtain and possess the materials needed to make an ayahuasca brew or to extract the active ingredient dimethyltryptamine, which is fairly easy to do. Google is your friend.

If you're looking for a legal mj alternative I suggest spice gold and/or spice diamond. I've tried both, they both feel very very similar to mj, there is something missing from both blends that I cannot quite put my finger on however. I think its the mind-racing quality that mj can have for people.

Nobody truly knows what's in the blends, obviously, they are not FDA approved or regulated in any way, so they aren't required to state every single ingredient. Word on the street is they are plant materials listed on the package sprayed somehow with THC chemical analogues.

A word on both spices and especially spice diamond however, much like vaporized THC analogues, you will feel only preliminary effects immediately after smoking, the full effects take 5-10 minutes to kick in. Don't overdo it, spice diamond especially is some strong shit, even for every day multiple times a day smokers.

I underestimated spice diamond the first time I tried it, smoked two bowls out of a bong right away. It was almost too much, had a very speedy feeling, my heart was pounding for the first hour and a half or so, it was a very intense heady stone but alongside it was an odd almost mdma-like body buzz that came in waves, more muted than mdma though, kind of like a heavy indica buzz. After the hour and a half only the heady high remained and stayed so for at least an hour or two to follow.

There are many vendors in the uk and europe for these blends, I know of only one vendor in the USA. You might also try "chillin mix" which has recently changed its name to "eclipse". I recently gave this blend a shot, strong heady high that comes on fast and hard but doesn't last more than an hour or so. The guy always has limited stock though and seems to sell out within a few days of getting a shipment.

some of this has already been said, however I have a few things to add:
1) Kava, or Kava-kava- high that compares to opiates. Buy the powder and use erowid to calculate dose, or buy the tea and brew 3-4 bags in one cup and drink. I used it to help kick a 150-250mg/day OC habit. (not something i would recommend) but the point is it works. it was the only thing that helped me sleep (a bit)
2) damiana- not as well known, but when smoked/ drank in tea, has a calming, relaxing effect. Purchase on ebay for as low as $1 an oz. The cool thing is, it has reverse tolerance, meaning the more times you smoke it, the better it works. I occasionally use it to take a break from cigarettes. It tastes better, if nothing else, but you may want to use a cigarette holder as it tends to be "juicy" (like when a joint of good weed starts drippin rez.)
3)Kratom (mentioned above)is good to.

If you do consider dxm, check erowid first for safety reasons! You dont want to buy the wrong shit.

Many of the legals do work but the ones that work the best also tend to have the worst negative side effects and comedowns. When looking into them try and research the active ingredients and found out how much and why they have that effect.

There are a lot of piperazines on the market at the moment and although iv yet to try them iv heard the comedown is really really harsh with them. Others just seem to contain a random blend of herbs and minerals that seem to have little or no actual psychoactive effects.

http://www.herbalhighs.com/Item/Legal_Highs/Legal_Ecstasy/X4_Ecstasy.aspx

Those are meant to work quite well but have a pretty bad comedown and also many others available have the same actives for cheaper so shop around and don't just go by the fancy packaging.

Also quite a few halucogens around that are meant to work pretty well mostly containing LSA extracts and other herbal extracts commonly sold. Most of the stuff you buy as ready made pills you are just paying for packaging and the stuff in them can be obtained a hell of a lot cheaper separately.

Herbal highs on the other hand such as salvia, kratom and the increasingly popular spice so work very well.

I tried spice a while back and found it to be unexpectedly and overwhelmingly strong (I underestimated it and smoked rather a lot the first time.) Feels very much like weed and a very nice sedative and very giggly but it tastes absolutely foul, gives you really bad gak mouth and leaves a long lasting after taste. Also builds up tolerance very fast (Much faster than weed) gets a bit headachy if you smoke too much, you cant get totally blazed like you can with weed (seems to be some kind of ceiling) and leaves you with a manga hangover the next day. Also has something missing that weed has, a lot of people have said it but nobody can put their finger on it. Worth trying but not something you could smoke daily like weed.

From what I've noticed, most legal drugs are either extremely piddly and weak, or way tooooo intense. Also, most online distributors are rippoff artists, so be careful. Mazatec Gardens is most definitely one to avoid. EveryoneDoesIt, is fairly reputable. There's a really sweet botanical site that I can't remember the name of, very legit. They sell basically anything that grows in soil, including psychoactive plants. The guy who runs it is a salvia fan, so he knows what's up.
Some legal drugs that I have tried/found intriguing:• Amanitas Muscaria-Very powerful hallucinogenic mushroom, either leads to a joyous religious revelation or a personal two-way ticket to Hell and back. Nothing at all like psilocybin mushrooms. Makes you vomit almost every time. Extremly potent, not to be toyed with. This is what the Viking beserkers ate before they went into battle, so you know it’s intense. The one time I took it, I vomited violently and thought I was getting sucked into the puke pile.
• Nutmeg- Yep, it gets you high. Kind of. It’s like being high on low-grade TexMex weed for two days. There are some fairly unimpressive visuals. Also makes vomit, and also the added benefit of constipation. Makes it damn near impossible to read a book for a couple days. Probably not worth it.
• Morning Glory/ Baby Woodrose seeds- These contain LSA, an alkaloid with psychedelic properties. Again, vomiting is a distinct possibility (beginning to notice a pattern here?). These can be fun though, very interesting geometric visuals. Don’t buy the ones they sell at the store for a buck, they are coated in pesticide. Get the organic ones from a hippie shop or the Net.
• Amyl Nitrate- They sell this at porn stores and gas stations of ill repute, albeit marketed as “video head cleaner” or “leather polish”. I’m pretty sure this shit would melt leather, not polish it. DON’T INGEST THE LIQUID! It’s not something that’s meant to be ingested at all. Just stick the bottle under your nostrils and take a couple sniffs of it. Makes you giggly, light-headed, nonsensical. Apparently makes orgasms better, and it does widen your butthole a little bit, which is probably why it’s so popular with gay clubbers. I don’t do it anymore, because it gives you a monster headache afterwards.
• Salvia- I don’t even really want to talk about this one. The most fun you can have for five minutes, but it’s damned hard to have a spiritual experience on, since it happens so fast. Just try and get some DMT instead. This is definitely the youtube drug.
• DXM-Ah, the drug that defined our troubled generation (that and Oxy.) Don’t bother, it kills your liver. Benadryl is a little more interesting, but again, kills your liver.
• Sinicuichi-Weird little flower that grows on the side of the road in the southwest. Supposedly an auditory hallucinogen, but when I smoked it, it just made me feel giddy and shit got really bright. No weird sounds, though.
• Kratom-Probably the most hilarious legal high. A stimulant and a sedative at the same time, this stuff grows all over the goddamn place in Thailand, which also happens to be the only place it’s illegal (?!). I don’t dig it, as it makes me extremely irritable for some reason. Opiates and things of a sedative nature tend to do that to me.
• Herbal Ecstasy-Crap. Utter crap. There is nothing that can match up to the feeling of MDMA except MDMA, especially not goddamned kola nut.
• Kava- Another fun one. I do this one fairly often, usually in congress with alcohol. Gives you an almost entirely physical high, where your body is drunk but your mind is lucid. Pretty simple one, and much more available and worth the time.
• Peyote-Yes, this is legal to a certain degree. You can buy mescaline-containing cactuses for “ornamental purposes only”, but we all know what that means. Never done it, but I really want to. Obviously very intense, shouldn’t be used by people only looking for a recreational experience.
• Lagochilus-Like kratom, but better.
• Alcohol-Hey, I dig it.
• Datura-This shit is probably growing in your backyard, but you shouldn’t do it. Ever. Just don’t. Look it up if you have to, but don’t do it. Not worth the two days of insanity that will follow. Trust me, I took it once in a fit of youthful indiscretion, and it ended with a hospital visit, so don’t even bother. Don’t.
All I can think of for now.

• Herbal Ecstasy-Crap. Utter crap. There is nothing that can match up to the feeling of MDMA except MDMA, especially not goddamned kola nut.

I agree, there is NOTHING out there that even comes close to MDMA, especially not anything legal.

The herbal ones defiantly don’t work but as I said the ones containing piperazines definitely do. Thing is as many people have said, although this is sold as an alternative to ecstasy it really isn’t and is much more like an alternative to speed just with more negative side effects and an even worse comedown. Still one to avoid, your much better off getting the real thing and its probably better for you!


• Peyote-Yes, this is legal to a certain degree. You can buy mescaline-containing cactuses for “ornamental purposes only”, but we all know what that means. Never done it, but I really want to. Obviously very intense, shouldn’t be used by people only looking for a recreational experience.


Personally I think this is the best legal iv tried, I wouldn’t have said it was that intense and even in a relatively high dose it was to some extent intense but not uncontrollable. Iv had much more powerful trips on mushrooms and LSD but apart from a bit of a body load this was defiantly up there with them. The only problem with this one is consuming it! Take it from me and reject, DO NOT try and consume it dry even if you powder it up and mix it with something/anything it is quite possibly the worst thing you will EVER consume. Thinking about consuming that stuff again makes me retch and the smell of yogurt (What I mixed it with the first time) makes me feel seriously sick. Its not just the taste that’s so bad but the texture, imagine eating extremely dry gritty bitter stuff that sticks in your throat on the way down combined with the slimy yogurt and makes you gag every time (Then you have to take into account its probably going to come back up in a few hours)… I really would rather dry and eat an oz of shit from a building site portaloo after a very busy hot day then mix it with grit and a liberal dose of citric acid… That would probably taste better and have a much better texture too although I don’t think the jenkems would get you so high. If anyone wants to try this I seriously recommend an extraction which requires only a little in the way of basic chemistry knowledge and techniques, equipment and easy to obtain chemicals. I haven’t tried making it into a tea but I could imagine that would probably be just as bad and I never ever want to put myself through the ordeal of consuming that in any of its raw forms again.

If that doesn’t put you off, once you start tripping its really really nice! Very nice closed and open eye visuals, tracers, breathing and melting, empathy, love and realisation

Nah man, most of the precursors are listed or scheduled. I'm pretty sure the FDA banned Tryptophan and T Base. Don't think you'd be doing anything with them anyways.

You can also get some tight phenethylamines, such as 2C-R's, DOR's, and BZP. IME 2c-E is the best.

Also, Shulgin recently made a substance that isn't even under the Analogs Act. It's 5-MeO-DALT, and it rocks.

Any way to get ahold of you Pooter?

Methylone is probably the closest relative to ecstasy you are ever going to find. Out of all available rc's it's probably the one with the widest circulation, that said though you are going to need a legit online source. Those are obviously something that do not get passed around publicly.

I have tried various rc's and various "party pills" with some success. Avoid anything by the london underground, their original line of products were good supposedly but these days they will either have no effect or put you in the hospital. They seem to have turned to using chemical analogues that have just about zero history of human use and can cause all kinds of fucked up things. Mind candy and Neuroblast have both hospitalized people in nz.

That said, there are some that work but are either expensive or a bitch to get. I have personally tried some of the new neorganics range, Neodoves2 and S.C.D are both fucking EXCELLENT.... but as always there is a catch. They are rather weak, so you have to take at least two at a time which means spending a lot of money and waiting for them to ship from NZ. The other drawback is they, at least the one time I tried them, are very fiendish. I ordered 8 pills from an nz site, and after 4 weeks of waiting and thinking I got ripped they finally arrived half melted. Anyway, I ended up taking all 8 pills myself throughout the night. I went to bed fine, but had I had more I might not have stopped. They are very good in their own right, they do not mimic ecstasy but they caused some great euphoria and waves of a very pleasurable body buzz.

So anyway, there are good alternatives out there, but you have to do some research and some sifting through all the scams out there. You can find what you're looking for but no one's gonna hand it to you.