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Laboratory Tips Safety proceedures, test reagents, drilling rubber stoppers, bending glass tubes, etc. Contributed to by chemists.

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Old 2008-07-05, 21:40
CrakkBakk CrakkBakk is offline
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Default HC + HBr = HM, OC + HBr = OM, why doesn't everyone do this to their vicodens/oxys?

If I was to come across a bottle or 30 5mg HC, what is preventing me from boiling it in HBr for a 95% yield?

I'de much prefer 135mg HM then 150mg HC...


BTW, where's synthetikal?
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Old 2008-07-05, 22:04
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Default Re: HC + HBr = HM, OC + HBr = OM, why doesn't everyone do this to their vicodens/oxys?

then do it if its sooo easy!! go for it, i want pictures too. what u waitin for? if u wanna do it, do it. dont wait for someone else to try it
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Old 2008-07-05, 22:06
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Default Re: HC + HBr = HM, OC + HBr = OM, why doesn't everyone do this to their vicodens/oxys?

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then do it if its sooo easy!! go for it, i want pictures too. what u waitin for? if u wanna do it, do it. dont wait for someone else to try it


This x 2 with less hardcore.
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Old 2008-07-06, 03:16
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Default Re: HC + HBr = HM, OC + HBr = OM, why doesn't everyone do this to their vicodens/oxys?

If I was to come across a bottle or 30 5mg HC, what is preventing me from boiling it in HBr for a 95% yield?

What is "epoxide lysis to apomorphine analogs" for a thousand, alex?
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Old 2008-07-06, 04:05
Conducter Conducter is offline
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Default Re: HC + HBr = HM, OC + HBr = OM, why doesn't everyone do this to their vicodens/oxys?

also Boron tribromide or other boron trihalides can be used to demethylate oxycodone, hydrocodone, and especially morphine itself. It gives around 80-90% yields. And swim actually has done this and has a procedure for it.

Its simple, just need 3 grams of methylated morphine product (such as oxycodone, hydrocodone, codeine), chloroform, and boron tribromide. Swiy dissolves the freebase -codone in small amount of chloroform, mix the bbr3 in chloroform in seperate flask.
Take the bbr3/chloroform flask and submerge in ice to get it down to 0-4 celcius. Slowly drip in the -codone/chloroform product careful not to do it to fast, do it over a 10 minute period. Let react for 30 minutes with stirring. Filter this.

Setup a mix of 80 grams of chipped ice, 20ml of 28% ammonia, pour the mix into this and stir for 30 minutes. Filter out the morphine derivative (morphine, hydromorphone, oxymorphone), then and most importantly, wash with some ice-cold chloroform, and then some ice cold water. Open filter and put on evap plate, chop and let dry. This will give morphine hydrate, oxymorphone hydrate, or hydromorphone hydrate. Ready for converstion to there HCL forms, or simply add small amount to a spoon with small amount of vinegar to give acetate salt, add water and then you have your junk ready for injection.


This is simple as hell, and works with all codeine derivatives, opposed to HBr, which doesnt work with codeine itself, and from what swim has read, needs special environments to make work. good luck tho
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Old 2008-07-09, 12:22
stateofhack stateofhack is offline
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Default Re: HC + HBr = HM, OC + HBr = OM, why doesn't everyone do this to their vicodens/oxys?

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Originally Posted by Conducter
also Boron tribromide or other boron trihalides can be used to demethylate oxycodone, hydrocodone, and especially morphine itself. It gives around 80-90% yields. And swim actually has done this and has a procedure for it.

Its simple, just need 3 grams of methylated morphine product (such as oxycodone, hydrocodone, codeine), chloroform, and boron tribromide. Swiy dissolves the freebase -codone in small amount of chloroform, mix the bbr3 in chloroform in seperate flask.
Take the bbr3/chloroform flask and submerge in ice to get it down to 0-4 celcius. Slowly drip in the -codone/chloroform product careful not to do it to fast, do it over a 10 minute period. Let react for 30 minutes with stirring. Filter this.

Setup a mix of 80 grams of chipped ice, 20ml of 28% ammonia, pour the mix into this and stir for 30 minutes. Filter out the morphine derivative (morphine, hydromorphone, oxymorphone), then and most importantly, wash with some ice-cold chloroform, and then some ice cold water. Open filter and put on evap plate, chop and let dry. This will give morphine hydrate, oxymorphone hydrate, or hydromorphone hydrate. Ready for converstion to there HCL forms, or simply add small amount to a spoon with small amount of vinegar to give acetate salt, add water and then you have your junk ready for injection.


This is simple as hell, and works with all codeine derivatives, opposed to HBr, which doesnt work with codeine itself, and from what swim has read, needs special environments to make work. good luck tho


Its nice to know that it has been attmepted and with success, apparantly. If you do not mind, was the Boron tribromide home made or bought? I have read a few "reports" of it from the hive and all the ones which used the home made stuff got some nasty results :(
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Old 2008-07-17, 23:23
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Default Re: HC + HBr = HM, OC + HBr = OM, why doesn't everyone do this to their vicodens/oxys?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Conducter
also Boron tribromide or other boron trihalides can be used to demethylate oxycodone, hydrocodone, and especially morphine itself. It gives around 80-90% yields. And swim actually has done this and has a procedure for it.

Its simple, just need 3 grams of methylated morphine product (such as oxycodone, hydrocodone, codeine), chloroform, and boron tribromide. Swiy dissolves the freebase -codone in small amount of chloroform, mix the bbr3 in chloroform in seperate flask.
Take the bbr3/chloroform flask and submerge in ice to get it down to 0-4 celcius. Slowly drip in the -codone/chloroform product careful not to do it to fast, do it over a 10 minute period. Let react for 30 minutes with stirring. Filter this.

Setup a mix of 80 grams of chipped ice, 20ml of 28% ammonia, pour the mix into this and stir for 30 minutes. Filter out the morphine derivative (morphine, hydromorphone, oxymorphone), then and most importantly, wash with some ice-cold chloroform, and then some ice cold water. Open filter and put on evap plate, chop and let dry. This will give morphine hydrate, oxymorphone hydrate, or hydromorphone hydrate. Ready for converstion to there HCL forms, or simply add small amount to a spoon with small amount of vinegar to give acetate salt, add water and then you have your junk ready for injection.


This is simple as hell, and works with all codeine derivatives, opposed to HBr, which doesnt work with codeine itself, and from what swim has read, needs special environments to make work. good luck tho

holy fucking shit!
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Old 2008-07-18, 09:02
stateofhack stateofhack is offline
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Default Re: HC + HBr = HM, OC + HBr = OM, why doesn't everyone do this to their vicodens/oxys?

holy fucking shit!

You know i wouldn't really trust him, this guy has records of speaking and saying bullshit...i would be very very careful before following anything he says.
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Old 2008-07-18, 09:22
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Default Re: HC + HBr = HM, OC + HBr = OM, why doesn't everyone do this to their vicodens/oxys?

You know i wouldn't really trust him, this guy has records of speaking and saying bullshit...i would be very very careful before following anything he says.

In this case he seems to be right.

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/oxymorphone.bbr3.html
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Old 2008-07-18, 09:32
stateofhack stateofhack is offline
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Default Re: HC + HBr = HM, OC + HBr = OM, why doesn't everyone do this to their vicodens/oxys?

In this case he seems to be right.

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/oxymorphone.bbr3.html

Thanks for that! reassuring now at least :)
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Old 2008-07-19, 00:52
Tchort Tchort is offline
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Default Re: HC + HBr = HM, OC + HBr = OM, why doesn't everyone do this to their vicodens/oxys?

What is "epoxide lysis to apomorphine analogs" for a thousand, alex?

Apomorphine anything is enough to keep m3h from any Opioid tinkering. Codeine -> Morphine looks so easy, until you pull the needle out and vomit to death.
 
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