that's why salvia sucks. 5 minutes? whats the point? Eat some morning glory seeds if you want a trip that bad. Anyone experimented with morning glory? I haven't done it in years but it really was one of my best trips ever. Back to the point, wasting time seems to be the second most important function of drugs. Let's break it down:

1. Alchohol: 1 hr per drink, effects stack.
2. Marijuana: ~2hrs of peak stonedness, can re-apply with diminishing yields.
3. LSD/Shrooms: 6-8 hours.
4. Blow: 5-25 minutes. Very addictive.
5. Heroin: Most variable, can last all day or an hour. Most dependent on dose and quality.
6. Meth: All night strong. Insanely addictive.

So do you feel that there is a connection between the value of a drug and the amount of time it wastes? Cocaine breaks this rule since it is one of the most short-lived yet coveted drugs in the world, perhaps because of it's social component. And is passing time the main reason people take drugs?

this thread sucks....why did you say meth was "insanely" addictive.. i'm pretty sure the most insanely addictive one there is heroin

wasting time seems to be the second most important function of drugs.

Congratulations on enforcing the typical drug using burnout stereotype. Glad you've done your part in society.

sweet shit, you guys are assholes.

And your a dumbass, theres so much more to drugs than just wasting time, moron.

And your a dumbass, theres so much more to drugs than just wasting time, moron.

Fine. What drugs do you do and why do you do them?

You're a fucking idiot

You're a fucking idiot

This. Enough said.

If salvia sucks, it sucks for reasons other than it's duration when smoked.

I'm not trying to say wasting time is a bad thing. Just trying to start a conversation on the value placed on how much time a drug saves you from facing yourself. Which is perfectly valid and debatable beyond "You're a fucking idiot".

Thanks for the overwhelming intellectual stimulation.

I'm not trying to say wasting time is a bad thing. Just trying to start a conversation on what the perceived value of how much time a drug saves you from facing yourself.

Thanks for the overwhelming intellectual stimulation.

Well the "must" in your topic title certainly doesn't help your case... You can try to backtrack now and act like you weren't trying to make such a positivist claim in crediting something that's only secondary to why drugs are enjoyable, but you did say it. If you say drugs have to waste time to be enjoyable, you're going to get a lot of people calling you an idiot, because it is an idiotic claim.

For instance, ketamine only lasts ~1-2 hrs, and DXM, a somewhat similar drug, lasts much longer. DXM is also way more accessible, but I never do it because DXM fucking sucks in comparison to ketamine. The quality of the drugs matters first and foremost. Duration can be nice, but some drugs (LSD, Iboga, DOC) last way too fucking long, that it often begins conflicting with one's life/interests. It's generally not that easy to find a 12 hr block of time to do LSD and manage to get some sleep in afterwards. If people prefer LSD to mushrooms it's because the over all effects of LSD are generally better than mushrooms...

If the whole open discussion thing, as you say now, was really your intent, you probably would not have gotten so many flames if instead the title was something like "The correlation between duration and enjoyability of certain drugs", or something. You can blame others all you want, but as the person putting forth your ideas, you have to make sure they're not put forward in a way other people are going to find stupid.

Well the "must" in your topic title certainly doesn't help your case... You can try to backtrack now and act like you weren't trying to make such a positivist claim in crediting something that's only secondary to why drugs are enjoyable, but you did say it. If you say drugs have to waste time to be enjoyable, you're going to get a lot of people calling you an idiot, because it is an idiotic claim.

For instance, ketamine only lasts ~1-2 hrs, and DXM, a somewhat similar drug, lasts much longer. DXM is also way more accessible, but I never do it because DXM fucking sucks in comparison to ketamine. The quality of the drugs matters first and foremost. Duration can be nice, but some drugs (LSD, Iboga, DOC) last way too fucking long, that it often begins conflicting with one's life/interests. It's generally not that easy to find a 12 hr block of time to do LSD and manage to get some sleep in afterwards. If people prefer LSD to mushrooms it's because the over all effects of LSD are generally better than mushrooms...

Fine and dandy. But drugs do have to waste time to be good. People may claim you do drugs for "mind-expansion" or some personal growth bullshit, but the only people do most drugs is to fill gaping holes in their lives and to compensate for that flaws. I hate you. I can't keep up with all this message editing going on.

Fine and dandy. But drugs do have to waste time to be good. People may claim you do drugs for "mind-expansion" or some personal growth bullshit, but the only people do most drugs is to fill gaping holes in their lives and to compensate for that flaws. I hate you. I can't keep up with all this message editing going on.

Right, drug-aided mind expansion is "bullshit". This is why people are going to have issues with your argument. Not all people use drugs just to fill "holes in their lives". Maybe near-everyone ends up doing that sometimes, hedonism is a pretty natural human inclination, but if you say that's the only point, people are going to argue with you, because you are wrong. You can't take what you or your friends find interesting about drugs, and relate it to all drug users, it's like generalizing the whole of humanity. If you attempt it as bunch of people are going to call you an idiot, because simplifications of this nature often tend to fail. Some people are really into the whole broadening of horizons that accompanies experimentation with powerful psychedelics. Sure, sometimes these things exhibit themselves as somewhat of a roller coaster ride, and are thus somewhat entertaining (in that you're not bored) but most people are relieved when a long trip has ended. Psychedelics generally aren't that much fun, at least once you dive into the deep end of the pool. The actual wasting of objective time has like no fucking significance on many drugs. Smoked DMT only lasts a few minutes, but it feels like it lasts way longer than that. Is a person annoyed when they look at the clock afterwards and realize they only "wasted" 15 minutes?! The point of drugs is and will always be the subjective experience. Some drugs make the passage of time more innately fun, but that is a quality of a drug, and something that is only aided by a long duration.

Also, there's the issue of how experiences are more meaningful if they're not experienced all the time. Drugs tend to get boring when you're high on them for long periods of time. By the end of an LSD trip I'm genuinely fucking sick of tripping for at least a few weeks. Not everyone uses drugs as an escape from reality. But if you are trying to escape, generally the more "permanent" escape is preferable, for those types of people. However, a fuck of a lot of people don't use drugs for that reason. People get angry when you simplify their motives to something that is really only true in your view. It shows intellectual laziness and an inability to grasp potential possibilities.

I almost lolgazmed when the OP said cocaine is "very addictive"

I could snort coke everyday for a month and just stop whenever I felt like it, no problem. Heroin and benzos have the worst addiction potential.

hey, shut the fuck up and start posting llamas.

I could snort coke everyday for a month and just stop whenever I felt like it, no problem.

I bet you've got a HUGE penis too, right?

The OP is the only one here that after reading the posts in this thread i truly don't believe to be a moron. congratulations on being dicks when you don't even have the right to. faggots.

The OP is the only one here that after reading the posts in this thread i truly don't believe to be a moron. .

This includes you. Definetly a dumbshit moron yourself.

god i hate the OP.....it's called nitrous oxide, one of the best drugs there are, lasts for barely anytime, but then again i must be wrong because only drugs that waste time must be good.

I do drugs cause they feel good and I like feeling good.

First off, yes, you guys all need to calm the fuck down and stop being such assholes. If you have an opinion by all means voice it, but "you're an idiot" doesn't quite cut it.

To the OP, you had an interesting theory and you presented in a relatively reasonable, if somewhat inflammatory way.
The whole point of discussions like this one is to reform your view on the subject. Hopefully in light of some of these responses you've done just that.

Personally i agree to some degree with both sides. Sometimes I'll just do something because there's not much else to do.
However as one of the few people around here who seems to actually like the intense, and objectively brief perspective shifting experience of salvia, i think it's safe to say that i have other reasons besides filling up a few hours in my day.

Yeah but the question is, would you?

If i had a never ending, always stocked dealer who got shit from the docks then hell that has a real high potential for addiction.
Most people don't realize that getting addicted all comes down to circumstance.

Time you enjoyed wasting isn't wasted time.

This is one of the most retarded threads I have seen on BLTC in quite some time.

Good blow will last you an hour off a little bump

Really? That's some very valuable information.

congratulations on being dicks when you don't even have the right to.

Most.

Hypocritical.

Statement.

EVER.

You do drugs to waste time?

Sounds like a waste of drugs to me.

I mean, if I'm having fun on drugs, then I'm not wasting time, now am I?

FYI, your thread sucks dicks.

Most.

Hypocritical.

Statement.

EVER.
Haha he's trolling. It should have been obvious.

the name of the game is 7 card stud. are you on or are you off?

heroin.

Haha he's trolling. It should have been obvious.

He always trolls. That's what I was saying, because he is always a douche bag to people.

OP, you got it all wrong, time is never wasted when you're wasted all the time.

Well you must factor in the gambling factor. Lsd can give you hours of pleasure or and eternity in hell.

At least with something like crack, you KNOW you going to feel great in the next five minutes.

BTW, crack is no way in hell better than LSD, im just trying to look at it from a different angle.

what the hell happened to this forum? back in 04 when i started it wasn't like this. now everyone is a fucking princess and starts crying after someone points out that they said something or made themselves look hella stupid. cry me a fucking river.

This thread wastes time and yet it is not good

logic ftw

no, it's fent.

BTW, crack is no way in hell better than LSD, im just trying to look at it from a different angle.

Amen to that.

Oh my, buster_hymen popped the OP's anal cherry good and proper.

What a big pile of silly.

Go and chug some DXM cos "lifez jus so long n boringgg" d00de.

And your a dumbass, theres so much more to drugs than just wasting time, moron.

All the people who just sat around and did fuck all, all are dead beat loser ass, pieces of fucking nothing shit. One of them is living in a tent, down by a river "i fucking shit you not!"

its... on PAR...

*smiles*

not really criticizing or praising the thread but uhhhh...what the fuck is the point, to pose a question more as a statement and start discussion? like wtf...

I just thought of something... you should probably... kill yourself. at least that way youll be dead and waste as much time as you'd like, and you wont have to waste our time.

fail. hardcore.

you all come in here and act like you know what your talking about. Heroin is way more addicticve than meth stupid

you all come in here and act like you know what your talking about. Heroin is way more addicticve than meth stupid

And LSD lasts much longer than shrooms.

I don't take drugs to waste time.

pose a question more as a statement and start discussion? like wtf...

totse, 2008.

All hail fuck head, queen of the ass factory.

Heroin is way more addicticve than meth stupid

It's a matter of opinion/personal preference etc., it's not the same thing as one liquor being 80 proof and the other being 100. Drugs don't work like that...dose-wise maybe, but not when you're comparing an amphetamine and an opiate. That's just asinine.

totse, 2008.

All hail fuck head, queen of the ass factory.

maybe i shouldnt have come back....damn.........


like big ass ellipsis to show my disappointment

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My friend is like that, can go on a week-two week coke bender doing as much as he can get his hands on then just stops, I'm pretty sure it's if you have a continuation of use you create a dependency on it.