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Old 2008-06-26, 00:14
fishtea fishtea is offline
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Default ADD Meds + The Army

I noticed anyone who's ever been prescribed ritalin or other ADD meds is automatically disqualified from joining the army. I wonder why. Do they just not want people who have ADD or is it about the drugs themselves?
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Old 2008-06-26, 00:17
spinal_cord spinal_cord is offline
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Maybe they don't want unstable/reckless soldiers in combat.
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Old 2008-06-26, 00:28
fishtea fishtea is offline
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Makes sense. I only know about 3 people with ADD and they're all unstable reckless bastards.
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Old 2008-06-26, 00:39
bain surgeon bain surgeon is offline
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If this is true in america then I have a friend thats gonna be pissed off.
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Old 2008-06-26, 00:39
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because there pussy lazy pussys
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Old 2008-06-26, 00:41
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I would certainly think that it is the risk entailed with combining a mentally unwell person and firearms or at least the means to cause harm.

(Amphetamine inspired rant) If they did accept people that had been prescribed ADD drugs, then that person could have a tenancy to violent behavior, yes? I'm pretty sure that people that are ADD can be prone to violent behavior, or at least irrational when off of medication. And if they stayed on medication throughout boot-camp/military career, they could for one be disqualified from boot-camp for the possible performance enhancing properties of their medications. Also, their prescription would be more readily available to fellow recruits, although that shouldn't pose any additional threat because im sure if one had enough drive, they could get what they wanted.

I know people with ADD though that are now off medication and have their...um... "disability?" under control. The military wont look through this though, because it would be solved in the form of a waiver written by the applicant stating that they have "gotten better". This wouldn't be acceptable, because anyone could write it. If their was some sort of test? I'm not sure though.

So i guess that your parents screwed you over by allowing you to be put on those medications before your will was intact. But if the applicant was on the medications as an adolescent, couldn't a waiver be created stating that you haven't had any trouble with the disorder since childhood? I did this while applying for the Air Force. It was about Asthma. I had attacks as a child but not a shred of it since then. I'm thinking that the consultation of a professional in this area should be considered. Talk to a recruiter about this specific detail (having it as a child). They might give you some BS though just to get you in their office. Different branches may have separate set rules about this. I know for a fact that many rules can be bent in this kind of case.

I had an MIP of marijuana under one ounce in Oregon. this is decriminalized, and since the incident was so close to the date of applying to the Air Force (less than 6 months) I was on the phone with some commanding General or something explaining my situation and why I did it in the first place. It got passed and waived but then I screwed up my knee, so I'm held over a little bit :) Won't go into that though. \

Sorry for the rant, hope some of it is useful though :/

The Stevie Wonder version of Redemption Song by Bob Marley is spectacular by the way. It was like a wave of euphoria to randomly hear a new version of it while on speed. Good stuff. Good times.
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Old 2008-06-26, 00:50
fishtea fishtea is offline
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I don't think thats the real reason hitalus because the ideal soldier is a violent psychopath. Then again they need to be somewhat sane so they don't do crazy shit like blowing up civilians with grenades and friendly firing.

Its a boot camp not the olympics. Its not a competition why would having enhanced abilities be a problem? I read that if someone has ever been prescribed ritalin they're disqualified. I don't think they care if the doctor deems you cured.
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Old 2008-06-26, 00:53
spinal_cord spinal_cord is offline
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They need soldiers who can focus on orders not soldiers who wander off and play with grenades
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Old 2008-06-26, 00:58
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Originally Posted by spinal_cord
They need soldiers who can focus on orders not soldiers who wander off and play with grenades


:) for sure hugh?

yea, but if it was an adolescent thing, for which many mistakes in prognosis have been made, their might be some loophole somewhere a recruiter would try and get you through.
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Old 2008-06-26, 01:01
spinal_cord spinal_cord is offline
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:) for sure hugh?

yea, but if it was an adolescent thing, for which many mistakes in prognosis have been made, their might be some loophole somewhere a recruiter would try and get you through.

Maybe, I'm not an expert on the military or anything so I wouldn't know.

But think about it if you have ADD and youre ordered by your doc to take medication how are you going to get your meds out in the middle of an afghani dessert?. What if they fall out of your pocket? They want soldiers without any mental illness's, they want soldiers who depend on their weapon not on their medication.
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Old 2008-06-26, 01:04
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they don't want retards fuckin up terrorists
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Old 2008-06-26, 01:18
ff420 ff420 is offline
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Apparently they've changed up the rules.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/asthma.htm
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Old 2008-06-26, 01:23
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Well hey, if they elect McCain and WWIII gets off to a good start at least I know my little orange pills will keep me out of the draft.
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Old 2008-06-26, 03:05
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you should ask over in the Together We Serve forum here on totse, Im sure theres a bit more experienced people over there on this subject, heres the link...

http://www.totse.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=204
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Old 2008-06-26, 03:52
steve-o13 steve-o13 is offline
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Well hey, if they elect McCain and WWIII gets off to a good start at least I know my little orange pills will keep me out of the draft.


Haha, in a draft, I don't think they would care. They just want as many men as possible.
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Old 2008-06-26, 04:17
fishtea fishtea is offline
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Hey steve-o email me some poutine will you. I'm fuckin starving.
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Old 2008-06-26, 04:26
spinal_cord spinal_cord is offline
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fact: poutine is the greatest food on earth
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Old 2008-06-26, 04:29
steve-o13 steve-o13 is offline
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*drips gravy and melted cheese into ethernet port*
*shoves a few fries in for good measure*

Damn, I don't think it's working.
:(

Hope this will do.
:)
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u51/witchywife/Poutine2.jpg
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Old 2008-06-26, 04:32
steve-o13 steve-o13 is offline
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fact: spinal_cord is damn right.
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Old 2008-06-26, 04:39
fishtea fishtea is offline
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You don't know what you have until its gone. I moved outta Canada and they don't have poutine in my country. God I miss it. I might just start making my own.
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Old 2008-06-26, 04:42
spinal_cord spinal_cord is offline
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quebec has the good kind of poutine too with the real cheese curds and whatnot, here they just use melted mozarella.

cheap bastards
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Old 2008-06-26, 04:58
fishtea fishtea is offline
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Yea I ate some poutine in Nova Scotia and I nearly puked it back up. They can't make poutine for shit over there.
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Old 2008-06-26, 04:59
spinal_cord spinal_cord is offline
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^its sad but true
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Old 2008-06-26, 05:28
Pooter Pooter is offline
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Weird. Didn't they used to use amps in the army to keep soldiers awake/pumped?
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Old 2008-06-26, 08:25
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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It is simply because you cannot join if you require daily medication. We do have a military forum you know?
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Old 2008-06-26, 08:42
silverballs silverballs is offline
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Weird. Didn't they used to use amps in the army to keep soldiers awake/pumped?


Someone dependent on them to be normal is more of a liability than giving whoever's on nightwatch or whatever them to enhance their capabilities.
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Old 2008-06-26, 08:54
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Old 2008-06-29, 23:31
Strik9 Strik9 is offline
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You can not have the add meds while in basic and AIT but after that you can have them. I am a soldier currently taking Adderall and they dont give a fuck.
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Old 2008-06-30, 00:24
absolutecaliber absolutecaliber is offline
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You can not have the add meds while in basic and AIT but after that you can have them. I am a soldier currently taking Adderall and they dont give a fuck.


STFU NEW ARRIVAL NIGGER.
 
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