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| Clean Tech So you want to reduce your carbon footprint, get off the grid, and cruise around in an electric car that accelerates faster than a Ferrari. Where do you start? What do you use? What tech is appropriate for the job? Ask here and find out. |
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2008-06-24, 18:43
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northern colorado
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alternative fuel sources
what kinds of alternative fuels are there other than gas/oil. i saw something saying that hemp could be converted into a alt fuel but havent seen much else.
anyone enlightned enough to share a few examples?
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# 2

2008-06-24, 18:44
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by 5MOK420
what kinds of alternative fuels are there other than gas/oil. i saw something saying that hemp could be converted into a alt fuel but havent seen much else.
anyone enlightned enough to share a few examples?
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anything with a hydrocarbon chain really
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# 3

2008-06-24, 18:47
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by WritingANovel
anything with an exothermic potential really
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2008-06-24, 18:52
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by absolutecaliber
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somebody's in science
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# 5

2008-06-24, 19:30
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Montreal, Halifax, QC, Toronto
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Re: alternative fuel sources
ethanol(alcohol)
corn
french fry grease
just to name a few
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# 6

2008-06-24, 20:08
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Oak Park, IL
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Re: alternative fuel sources
wind batteries
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# 7

2008-06-24, 20:10
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TX
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Re: alternative fuel sources
fossil fuels are the way to go.
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# 8

2008-06-24, 20:12
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Water... 
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# 9

2008-06-24, 20:13
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Mexico
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Somalian kids are a good source of fuel.
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# 10

2008-06-24, 20:14
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lord have this grilled cheese
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Re: alternative fuel sources
My high octane sperm.
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#11
 2008-06-24, 20:38
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Syd Barrett 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by spinal_cord
ethanol(alcohol)
corn
french fry grease
just to name a few
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lol45
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#12
 2008-06-24, 20:38
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Anti-Troll 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Raid.
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#13
 2008-06-24, 20:41
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DonMuttoni 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Human Stupidity
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#14
 2008-06-24, 21:44
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Mr. Stabby 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Human Stupidity
The guy has a point, if we put big brother on a huge wide screen TV we could probably make people run in hamster wheels for hours before they noticed anything.
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#15
 2008-06-24, 21:53
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zuperxtreme 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
I read somewhere that like a 100 acre(if not less) field of solar panels(with our current efficiency, which really sucks) would be able to produce enough power for the world.
Then make everything electric. And Voila, no more fucking problems.
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#16
 2008-06-24, 22:09
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Marsh 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Windex
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#17
 2008-06-24, 23:07
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by zuperxtreme
I read somewhere that like a 100 acre(if not less) field of solar panels(with our current efficiency, which really sucks) would be able to produce enough power for the world.
Then make everything electric. And Voila, no more fucking problems.
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Thats interesting. Maybe after Iraqs oil drys up we can level the place to use for this.
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#18
 2008-06-24, 23:36
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zuperxtreme 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Thats interesting. Maybe after Iraqs oil drys up we can level the place to use for this.
A better place would be in Republic of Congo. Right through the Equator.
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#19
 2008-06-25, 00:18
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Ethanol, butanol, and ester chains as a stopgap until wind, hydro, and solar mature. Those would be stopgaps until fusion is figured out.
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#20
 2008-06-25, 00:20
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SKUV 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Why don't we just grind up all niggers and throw them into a cars gas tank? I mean they are the same color as oil and stuff, amirite??
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#21
 2008-06-25, 13:03
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where is my mind?
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by SKUV
Why don't we just grind up all niggers and throw them into a cars gas tank? I mean they are the same color as oil and stuff, amirite??
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gtfo skuvfag
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#22
 2008-06-25, 13:26
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superspeedz 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
dead people.
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#23
 2008-06-25, 13:27
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Re: alternative fuel sources
CT.
-deus-
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#24
 2008-06-29, 08:20
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Moderator
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The fine line between genius and madness
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by zuperxtreme
I read somewhere that like a 100 acre(if not less) field of solar panels(with our current efficiency, which really sucks) would be able to produce enough power for the world.
Then make everything electric. And Voila, no more fucking problems.
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Yeah, that doesn't sound right.
Most solar cells operate at 12%-15% efficency, though we do have new ones that work at over 40%
Will come back with specific stats on area/output tomorow when I'm back at my own computer and can read pdf files.
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#25
 2008-06-29, 10:58
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Calculus. U-235. Also, whoever said that thing about the solar panels was a fucking retard. Solar panels can get 200W per square metre at maximum efficiency, and then you have to consider the amount of sunlight at different times of the day/year. You'd need a pretty fucking large area.
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#26
 2008-07-05, 21:11
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by harry_hardcore_hoedown
Calculus. U-235. Also, whoever said that thing about the solar panels was a fucking retard. Solar panels can get 200W per square metre at maximum efficiency, and then you have to consider the amount of sunlight at different times of the day/year. You'd need a pretty fucking large area.
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This.
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#27
 2008-07-06, 20:06
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Re: alternative fuel sources
maybe the guy meant 100,000 acres? I don't know much about solar power but 156 square miles of solar panels sounds reasonable
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#28
 2008-07-10, 04:01
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OveRTurE 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Any chained hydrocabon tbh
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#29
 2008-07-10, 14:35
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Re: alternative fuel sources
If we can make plastic cups out of corn, we can make a fuel source that does not require buying new cars.
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#30
 2008-07-11, 05:00
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zuperxtreme 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
This is what I was basing myself on, it's been a long time since I've read it.
http://www.ez2c.de/ml/solar_land_area/
100 acres is nothing, you're right.
It's around 224,870 acres at around 8% efficiency.
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#31
 2008-07-11, 09:14
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by zuperxtreme
This is what I was basing myself on, it's been a long time since I've read it.
http://www.ez2c.de/ml/solar_land_area/
100 acres is nothing, you're right.
It's around 224,870 acres at around 8% efficiency.
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environmentalists would never let it happen though.
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#32
 2008-07-12, 01:37
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Hippie blood and the tears of children
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#33
 2008-07-17, 01:56
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Spider_ 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
I heard of ethanol and of the hemp. I think ethanol is the best solution, but I'd like to see hemp though.
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#34
 2008-07-17, 15:11
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Mc. Black 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by TheVizier
Somalian kids are a good source of fuel.
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Roflmao!
This is probably the best idea so far.
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#35
 2008-07-17, 15:17
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Mc. Black 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by moss2455
Hippie blood and the tears of children
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hahahahahahaha, great!
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#36
 2008-07-17, 15:20
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Mc. Black 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
A mixture of ground mice, pigeons, cockroaches, Fidel Castro, the president of Venezuela and the president of Iran, all destroyed and mixed in a blender.
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#37
 2008-07-23, 04:53
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Mc. Black 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
6 and still counting.
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#38
 2008-08-04, 00:11
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Re: alternative fuel sources
what kinds of alternative fuels are there other than gas/oil.
There are plenty. The problem is that none of them can be scaled up to the monumentally unsustainable levels of consumption we've become accustomed to and they can only replace a fraction of the energy that we're getting from oil at best.
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#39
 2008-08-04, 04:18
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jakx 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by Mc. Black
A mixture of ground mice, pigeons, cockroaches, Fidel Castro, the president of Venezuela and the president of Iran, all destroyed and mixed in a blender.
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this 
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#40
 2008-08-04, 05:02
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Re: alternative fuel sources
this
The problem with that is, Fidel castro is a limited resource.
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#41
 2008-08-09, 11:15
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Khouni 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
We don't need fuels. Become farmers again. Forget technology. Feed yourself with the food growing in your region.
And forget governments. Make every city or village it's own state.
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#42
 2008-08-09, 11:17
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by Khouni
We don't need fuels. Become farmers again. Forget technology. Feed yourself with the food growing in your region.
And forget governments. Make every city or village it's own state.
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oh yeah, that'll work. Until someone gets some guns and becomes the dictator of the world
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#43
 2008-08-09, 11:29
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Khouni 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Yeah, but form where should he get the guns? If nobody was producing them, and if there were absolutely no modern technology, and if we would just use our hands and tools made out of wood or bone for working, there would be no way how to get guns.
The even better solution would to become hunters and gatherers. Of course, the amount of human beings would have to be reduced.
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#44
 2008-08-09, 11:53
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by Khouni
Yeah, but form where should he get the guns? If nobody was producing them, and if there were absolutely no modern technology, and if we would just use our hands and tools made out of wood or bone for working, there would be no way how to get guns.
The even better solution would to become hunters and gatherers. Of course, the amount of human beings would have to be reduced.
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so how would be get everyone in the world to forget about technology and become farmers again? I don't really know what you're saying. That's like saying the best way to solve the fuel problem is to destroy the world and everything on it.
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#45
 2008-08-09, 12:08
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Khouni 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
so how would be get everyone in the world to forget about technology and become farmers again? I don't really know what you're saying. That's like saying the best way to solve the fuel problem is to destroy the world and everything on it.
I am implying that the problem isn't the lack of fuel, but everything related to modern technology. The individual person can't be independent in our society. He needs fuel, he needs electricity, he needs to buy food, he needs all kinds of stuff. Getting independent again would be the goal.
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#46
 2008-08-09, 12:39
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Re: alternative fuel sources
I am implying that the problem isn't the lack of fuel, but everything related to modern technology. The individual person can't be independent in our society. He needs fuel, he needs electricity, he needs to buy food, he needs all kinds of stuff. Getting independent again would be the goal.
being independent would be great but going back to tribal hunter gatherer societies wouldn't exactly be a step forward.
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#47
 2008-08-09, 13:00
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Khouni 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Is there a need for a step forward when a step backward would do a better job?
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#48
 2008-08-09, 13:14
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by Khouni
Is there a need for a step forward when a step backward would do a better job?
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I'd rather our population be destroyed in a science experiment than live forever as berry eating savages.
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#49
 2008-08-10, 01:49
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Re: alternative fuel sources
I'd rather our population be destroyed in a science experiment than live forever as berry eating savages.
Again.
there is a reason no one ever really goes back. no one wants to.
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#50
 2008-08-10, 04:44
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DonMuttoni 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Again.
there is a reason no one ever really goes back. no one wants to.
And those that do usually end up in the Sudan, where the average life expectancy is the same as 10,000 years ago
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#51
 2008-08-17, 15:59
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The Alasken Wilderness
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Jenkem is a great source of methane fuel.
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#52
 2008-08-17, 21:06
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by granite erection
Jenkem is a great source of methane fuel.
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They use methane from cow shit to run dairy farms.
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#53
 2008-08-24, 03:28
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Re: alternative fuel sources
ether?..
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#54
 2008-08-28, 21:35
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ViperX202 
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Re: alternative fuel sources
somebody's in science
lolloll
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#55
 2008-09-11, 16:12
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Re: alternative fuel sources
jet fuel and nitrous oxide, if its good enough for million dollar drag cars it must be good enough for my 91 ford laser
also can you power a car on strait nitrous oxide, if not mixed in with a little propane just so it gets in there easier...
MmMmMmm... propane....
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#56
 2008-09-25, 08:02
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Re: alternative fuel sources
also can you power a car on strait nitrous oxide, if not mixed in with a little propane just so it gets in there easier...
Nitroud oxide alone is non flammable, Im pretty sure you'd have to use it in combination with a solid fuel or a liquid or gaseous oxidizer.
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#57
 2008-09-30, 01:40
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Re: alternative fuel sources
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Originally Posted by TheVizier
Somalian kids are a good source of fuel.
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Fucking genious.
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#58
 2008-11-17, 21:29
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Re: alternative fuel sources
Nitroud oxide alone is non flammable, Im pretty sure you'd have to use it in combination with a solid fuel or a liquid or gaseous oxidizer.
It'd have to be used with some other fuel source, the nox is the oxidizer.
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