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Clean Tech So you want to reduce your carbon footprint, get off the grid, and cruise around in an electric car that accelerates faster than a Ferrari. Where do you start? What do you use? What tech is appropriate for the job? Ask here and find out.

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Old 2008-06-24, 18:43
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what kinds of alternative fuels are there other than gas/oil. i saw something saying that hemp could be converted into a alt fuel but havent seen much else.
anyone enlightned enough to share a few examples?
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Old 2008-06-24, 18:44
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what kinds of alternative fuels are there other than gas/oil. i saw something saying that hemp could be converted into a alt fuel but havent seen much else.
anyone enlightned enough to share a few examples?
anything with a hydrocarbon chain really
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Old 2008-06-24, 18:47
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anything with an exothermic potential really
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Old 2008-06-24, 18:52
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Old 2008-06-24, 19:30
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ethanol(alcohol)

corn

french fry grease


just to name a few
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Old 2008-06-24, 20:08
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wind batteries
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Old 2008-06-24, 20:10
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fossil fuels are the way to go.
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Old 2008-06-24, 20:12
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Water...
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Old 2008-06-24, 20:13
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Somalian kids are a good source of fuel.
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Old 2008-06-24, 20:14
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My high octane sperm.
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Old 2008-06-24, 20:38
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ethanol(alcohol)

corn

french fry grease


just to name a few


lol45
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Old 2008-06-24, 20:38
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Raid.
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Old 2008-06-24, 20:41
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Human Stupidity
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Old 2008-06-24, 21:44
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Human Stupidity

The guy has a point, if we put big brother on a huge wide screen TV we could probably make people run in hamster wheels for hours before they noticed anything.
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Old 2008-06-24, 21:53
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I read somewhere that like a 100 acre(if not less) field of solar panels(with our current efficiency, which really sucks) would be able to produce enough power for the world.

Then make everything electric. And Voila, no more fucking problems.
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Old 2008-06-24, 22:09
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Old 2008-06-24, 23:07
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I read somewhere that like a 100 acre(if not less) field of solar panels(with our current efficiency, which really sucks) would be able to produce enough power for the world.

Then make everything electric. And Voila, no more fucking problems.


Thats interesting. Maybe after Iraqs oil drys up we can level the place to use for this.
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Old 2008-06-24, 23:36
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Thats interesting. Maybe after Iraqs oil drys up we can level the place to use for this.

A better place would be in Republic of Congo. Right through the Equator.
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Old 2008-06-25, 00:18
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Ethanol, butanol, and ester chains as a stopgap until wind, hydro, and solar mature. Those would be stopgaps until fusion is figured out.
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Old 2008-06-25, 00:20
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Why don't we just grind up all niggers and throw them into a cars gas tank? I mean they are the same color as oil and stuff, amirite??
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Old 2008-06-25, 13:03
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Why don't we just grind up all niggers and throw them into a cars gas tank? I mean they are the same color as oil and stuff, amirite??


gtfo skuvfag
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Old 2008-06-25, 13:26
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dead people.
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Old 2008-06-25, 13:27
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CT.

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Old 2008-06-29, 08:20
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I read somewhere that like a 100 acre(if not less) field of solar panels(with our current efficiency, which really sucks) would be able to produce enough power for the world.

Then make everything electric. And Voila, no more fucking problems.


Yeah, that doesn't sound right.

Most solar cells operate at 12%-15% efficency, though we do have new ones that work at over 40%

Will come back with specific stats on area/output tomorow when I'm back at my own computer and can read pdf files.
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Old 2008-06-29, 10:58
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Calculus. U-235. Also, whoever said that thing about the solar panels was a fucking retard. Solar panels can get 200W per square metre at maximum efficiency, and then you have to consider the amount of sunlight at different times of the day/year. You'd need a pretty fucking large area.
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Calculus. U-235. Also, whoever said that thing about the solar panels was a fucking retard. Solar panels can get 200W per square metre at maximum efficiency, and then you have to consider the amount of sunlight at different times of the day/year. You'd need a pretty fucking large area.


This.
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Old 2008-07-06, 20:06
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maybe the guy meant 100,000 acres? I don't know much about solar power but 156 square miles of solar panels sounds reasonable
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Old 2008-07-10, 04:01
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Any chained hydrocabon tbh
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Old 2008-07-10, 14:35
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If we can make plastic cups out of corn, we can make a fuel source that does not require buying new cars.
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Old 2008-07-11, 05:00
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This is what I was basing myself on, it's been a long time since I've read it.

http://www.ez2c.de/ml/solar_land_area/

100 acres is nothing, you're right.

It's around 224,870 acres at around 8% efficiency.
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Old 2008-07-11, 09:14
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This is what I was basing myself on, it's been a long time since I've read it.

http://www.ez2c.de/ml/solar_land_area/

100 acres is nothing, you're right.

It's around 224,870 acres at around 8% efficiency.


environmentalists would never let it happen though.
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Old 2008-07-12, 01:37
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Hippie blood and the tears of children
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Old 2008-07-17, 01:56
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I heard of ethanol and of the hemp. I think ethanol is the best solution, but I'd like to see hemp though.
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Old 2008-07-17, 15:11
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Somalian kids are a good source of fuel.



Roflmao!

This is probably the best idea so far.
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Old 2008-07-17, 15:17
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Hippie blood and the tears of children


hahahahahahaha, great!
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Old 2008-07-17, 15:20
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A mixture of ground mice, pigeons, cockroaches, Fidel Castro, the president of Venezuela and the president of Iran, all destroyed and mixed in a blender.
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Old 2008-07-23, 04:53
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6 and still counting.
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Old 2008-08-04, 00:11
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what kinds of alternative fuels are there other than gas/oil.

There are plenty. The problem is that none of them can be scaled up to the monumentally unsustainable levels of consumption we've become accustomed to and they can only replace a fraction of the energy that we're getting from oil at best.
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Old 2008-08-04, 04:18
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A mixture of ground mice, pigeons, cockroaches, Fidel Castro, the president of Venezuela and the president of Iran, all destroyed and mixed in a blender.


this Cool
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this Cool

The problem with that is, Fidel castro is a limited resource.
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Old 2008-08-09, 11:15
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We don't need fuels. Become farmers again. Forget technology. Feed yourself with the food growing in your region.

And forget governments. Make every city or village it's own state.
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We don't need fuels. Become farmers again. Forget technology. Feed yourself with the food growing in your region.

And forget governments. Make every city or village it's own state.


oh yeah, that'll work. Until someone gets some guns and becomes the dictator of the world
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Old 2008-08-09, 11:29
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Yeah, but form where should he get the guns? If nobody was producing them, and if there were absolutely no modern technology, and if we would just use our hands and tools made out of wood or bone for working, there would be no way how to get guns.


The even better solution would to become hunters and gatherers. Of course, the amount of human beings would have to be reduced.
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Yeah, but form where should he get the guns? If nobody was producing them, and if there were absolutely no modern technology, and if we would just use our hands and tools made out of wood or bone for working, there would be no way how to get guns.


The even better solution would to become hunters and gatherers. Of course, the amount of human beings would have to be reduced.


so how would be get everyone in the world to forget about technology and become farmers again? I don't really know what you're saying. That's like saying the best way to solve the fuel problem is to destroy the world and everything on it.
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Old 2008-08-09, 12:08
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so how would be get everyone in the world to forget about technology and become farmers again? I don't really know what you're saying. That's like saying the best way to solve the fuel problem is to destroy the world and everything on it.


I am implying that the problem isn't the lack of fuel, but everything related to modern technology. The individual person can't be independent in our society. He needs fuel, he needs electricity, he needs to buy food, he needs all kinds of stuff. Getting independent again would be the goal.
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I am implying that the problem isn't the lack of fuel, but everything related to modern technology. The individual person can't be independent in our society. He needs fuel, he needs electricity, he needs to buy food, he needs all kinds of stuff. Getting independent again would be the goal.

being independent would be great but going back to tribal hunter gatherer societies wouldn't exactly be a step forward.
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Old 2008-08-09, 13:00
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Is there a need for a step forward when a step backward would do a better job?
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Old 2008-08-09, 13:14
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Is there a need for a step forward when a step backward would do a better job?


I'd rather our population be destroyed in a science experiment than live forever as berry eating savages.
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I'd rather our population be destroyed in a science experiment than live forever as berry eating savages.

Again.
there is a reason no one ever really goes back. no one wants to.
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Old 2008-08-10, 04:44
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Again.
there is a reason no one ever really goes back. no one wants to.

And those that do usually end up in the Sudan, where the average life expectancy is the same as 10,000 years ago
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Old 2008-08-17, 15:59
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Jenkem is a great source of methane fuel.
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Old 2008-08-17, 21:06
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Jenkem is a great source of methane fuel.


They use methane from cow shit to run dairy farms.
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Old 2008-08-24, 03:28
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ether?..
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Old 2008-08-28, 21:35
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somebody's in science

lolloll
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Old 2008-09-11, 16:12
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jet fuel and nitrous oxide, if its good enough for million dollar drag cars it must be good enough for my 91 ford laser

also can you power a car on strait nitrous oxide, if not mixed in with a little propane just so it gets in there easier...

MmMmMmm... propane....
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also can you power a car on strait nitrous oxide, if not mixed in with a little propane just so it gets in there easier...


Nitroud oxide alone is non flammable, Im pretty sure you'd have to use it in combination with a solid fuel or a liquid or gaseous oxidizer.
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Old 2008-09-30, 01:40
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Somalian kids are a good source of fuel.


Fucking genious.
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Old 2008-11-17, 21:29
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Nitroud oxide alone is non flammable, Im pretty sure you'd have to use it in combination with a solid fuel or a liquid or gaseous oxidizer.

It'd have to be used with some other fuel source, the nox is the oxidizer.
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