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2008-06-24, 17:03

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Finally: Mainstream Atheist Movie

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0815241/
http://www.lionsgate.com/religulous/

Title: Religulous

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religulous

Bill Maher (the guy from HBO) interviews all kinds of believers around the world about what they believe, from a rationalist's viewpoint.

The trailer shows quite well how crazy some religions can be.
(Go to 0:58)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB8fPJ6zds8

2008-06-25, 00:43

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Looks good images/icons/icon14.gif

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2008-06-25, 05:12

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looks like a smug athiest film, made to appeal to smug athiests, all the while pissing of religious people and in the end not really convincing anybody of anything.

having said that, ive only seen the trailer of course.
being a smug athiest though, i look forward to seeing it.

2008-06-25, 07:04

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Looks interesting.

2008-06-25, 15:03

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I'm unimpressed, any 3 year old can point out the flaws in an Abrahamic religion.

2008-06-25, 21:12

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Being an Atheist myself, I'd see it.

2008-06-25, 21:29

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Originally Posted by TheVizier

Being an Atheist myself, I'd see it.

for free, online.

2008-06-25, 22:33

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Originally Posted by kurdt318

I'm unimpressed, any 3 year old can point out the flaws in an Abrahamic religion.

Yet so many people follow them still... hence the fucking movie.

2008-06-26, 01:25

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Yet so many people follow them still... hence the fucking movie.

Ok, you get back to me on how many people Bill Maher converts to atheism.

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2008-06-26, 01:26

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Ok, you get back to me on how many people Bill Maher converts to atheism.

Probably not many. Who said otherwise? Not me. Perhaps you're trying to change the subject completely after you made that childish post of yours and I called you on it?

EDIT: If you still don't get it, my pint is that the movie isn't pretending that it's difficult to ridicule Abrahamic religions and trying to do it or claiming it has done so, it is in fact doing the oppossite! It is pointing out how easy it is - how prone to ridicule these religions are - and then asking these people why they believe in it anyway! Hence, why it's a documentary and why he's seen talking to people... asking them what/why they believe!

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2008-06-26, 02:11

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Probably not many. Who said otherwise? Not me.

au contraire:

Yet so many people follow them still... hence the fucking movie.

Did you catch that? Here, I'll type it again:

HENCE THE FUCKING MOVIE

Now, I'm interpreting your words above to mean roughly that: The movie was made to show the ease of which flaws can be found in Abrahamic religion (as you state in your edit). But wait....

Probably not many. Who said otherwise? Not me.

So, if the movie was not made to make many quick converts to atheism, then why make it in the first place?

(Scene flashes to Rust fervently masturbating to Bill Maher)

Perhaps you're trying to change the subject completely after you made that childish post of yours and I called you on it?

Well, I guess I have the opinion of a child :).

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2008-06-26, 02:47

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Did you catch that?

What? Your misunderstanding of what I said? Why yes I did, thank you for asking!

You said it was easy to ridicule these religions and I said "Yet so many people follow them still... hence the fucking movie"

In other words, these religions are ridiculous yet for some reason people still follow them. Why?

Get it? The movie is attempting to answer the question "Why do so many people still follow these religions even though they are so stupid [a 3 year old could find flaws in them]."

I made my edit - which explained this to you quite clearly - before you replied, so I'm guessing you just ignored it completely [unless it took you 30+ minutes to make a reply that still ends up missing the point...]. Amazing.

P.S. Asking yourself where I got the crazy idea that the film deals with interviews about what other people believe and why, and not necessarily about trying to refute Abrahamic religions in order to convince atheists? ... In the fucking movie description! Yes, I know: I'm a regular Dick Tracy.

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2008-06-26, 03:03

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Ah, I see, I didn't put stress on STILL

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2008-06-27, 11:46

harry_hardcore_hoedown harry_hardcore_hoedown is offline

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Re: Finally: Mainstream Atheist Movie

Religulous is just entertainment. It's not a serious attempt at converting anybody.

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2008-06-27, 12:54

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It will be interesting to see the various perspectives shown throughout this movie.

I'll definitely see it when I can.

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2008-06-27, 13:02

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As an athiest, I refuse to watch it because it's far too much like religion. A movie telling me what is right and wrong? Puh-lease. Hello? Hasn't that already been tried with the bible and the quran? I'll take logic and reason, thank you very much; not some imaginary person on a big screen.

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2008-06-27, 13:18

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Re: Finally: Mainstream Atheist Movie

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Originally Posted by Trueborn Vorpal

I definitely see what you're saying, I'm just wanting to see different points of views.

It's not going to suddenly make me run around and insult people for their religions. It's just to help me learn more about the world - I'll take everything with a grain of salt, of course, and do my own research.

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2008-06-27, 16:12

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Probably not many. Who said otherwise? Not me. Perhaps you're trying to change the subject completely after you made that childish post of yours and I called you on it?

EDIT: If you still don't get it, my pint is that the movie isn't pretending that it's difficult to ridicule Abrahamic religions and trying to do it or claiming it has done so, it is in fact doing the oppossite! It is pointing out how easy it is - how prone to ridicule these religions are - and then asking these people why they believe in it anyway! Hence, why it's a documentary and why he's seen talking to people... asking them what/why they believe!

I think it's great. Until cultural mores shift in the US towards at least a passive contempt for people who live their lives according to fairy tales, we still have to just hope that every single president elected isn't one of the double digit IQers who genuinely believes the rapture will happen during his lifetime... while his finger is poised over a dramatic red button. The difficulty is that EVERY generation of Christians has thought this.

There's a fair bit of contempt towards religion expressed in the private letters and such of the founding fathers, and I can't help but think that if they'd worn their contempt on their sleeve, we may have avoided or at least mitigated the Great Revival in the 19th century, and not be in quite the fucked up place we are now.

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2008-06-27, 16:32

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Originally Posted by Trueborn Vorpal

There not telling you anything.

They are just questioning religion. They are not telling you "Yay atheism!". They are just showing the public how crazy religion can be.

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2008-06-27, 16:38

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They are just showing the public how crazy religion can be.

I highly doubt any non-atheist will watch it. Which is actually quite sad as people should always be trying to widen their reality tunnels and question their morales.

Simply put, this film was made to reaffirm arrogant atheists how great their beliefs are. It's the same thing as a conservative christian watching Ben Stein's film "Expelled" and thinking how great christianity is.

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2008-06-27, 16:47

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I highly doubt any non-atheist will watch it. Which is actually quite sad as people should always be trying to widen their reality tunnels and question their morales.

Simply put, this film was made to reaffirm arrogant atheists how great their beliefs are. It's the same thing as a conservative christian watching Ben Stein's film "Expelled" and thinking how great christianity is.

People who are wary/confused/fed up with about faith will watch it.

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2008-06-27, 19:10

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People who are wary/confused/fed up with about faith will watch it.

and jews

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2008-06-27, 19:11

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Originally Posted by Trueborn Vorpal

He's telling you what is right and wrong? You know that how exactly? From not seeing the movie?

For someone who says he takes "logic and reason" you're not being very logical or reasonable...

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2008-06-27, 19:35

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Simply put, this film was made to reaffirm arrogant atheists how great their beliefs are. It's the same thing as a conservative christian watching Ben Stein's film "Expelled" and thinking how great christianity is.

Except:

1. Bill Maher isn't atheist.

2. "Expelled" had demonstrably false claims. Unless you have some sort of proof that this movie does as well, the comparison between both movies and between both fans is a stretch.

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The claim that "this film was made to reaffirm arrogant atheists how great their beliefs are" is an easy one to make. It takes absolutely no real thought.

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2008-06-27, 20:06

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1. Bill Maher isn't atheist.

viewpoints that reference a kind of deism, although Maher has never declared himself a deist. He has stated that he does indeed believe in a god, but that organized religion is nothing more than tradition and superstition.

"I'm not an atheist. There's a really big difference between an atheist and someone who just doesn't believe in religion. Religion to me is a bureaucracy between man and God that I don't need. But I'm not an atheist, no. I believe there's some force. If you want to call it God... I don't believe God is a single parent who writes books".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Maher#Views_on_religion

Now that I know that, I'm more interested in seeing this film, on the internet. I think their will be a lot of negative energies being exhausted in the theaters, not really the kind of place I want to be. Should be amusing nonetheless.

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2008-06-27, 20:22

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Yes, I'm sure you creamed yourself when you read the "force" bit.

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2008-06-27, 20:40

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Pretty sure the movie will not about how awesome atheism is, so much as it will be about how terrible Christianity is/has been for humanity.

If you listen to Maher, he is mainly pissed when fundie christians set insane policies in a secular nation.

Stein on the other hand, has a movie, that is full of deception designed to re-affirm one's faith. Stein's movie is designed for those who are already gullible enough to believe in zombies, talking snakes and evil fruit. It is not designed for intelligent human beings.

That would be one of the main differences. One movie is based in fact for factual minded people and the other is based in myth for believers in mythology.

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2008-06-27, 21:56

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I would see this movie to so I can laugh my ass off on how condescending Bill Maher is and to laugh my ass off on how fundamentalists are just as bad. Any mainstream flick concerning Theism V Atheism is going to filled with the same exact shit I see on this forum. Just bullshitting over dogma and doctrine not God.

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2008-06-27, 22:52

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^ Wow. Has reading now become "optional"?

Perhaps you missed the part where Bill Maher isn't an atheist?

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2008-06-28, 04:28

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Originally Posted by Rust

^ Wow. Has reading now become "optional"?

Perhaps you missed the part where Bill Maher isn't an atheist?

WOW, has research become optional?

Most recently, Maher has declared himself an apatheist instead of an agnostic on Scarborough Country on April 24th 2007.[20]

On a February 4th, 2008 episode of Larry King Live, Maher issued a comment calling all people of the Mormon faith "shape shifters".[21]

Bill Maher is an advisory board member of author Sam Harris's The Reason Project.

Apatheist= "also known as pragmatic or critically as practical atheism, is acting with apathy, disregard, or lack of interest towards belief, or lack of belief in a deity. Apatheism describes the manner of acting towards a belief or lack of a belief in a deity; so applies to both theism and atheism. An apatheist is also someone who is not interested in accepting or denying any claims that gods exist or do not exist. In other words, an apatheist is someone who considers the question of the existence of gods as neither meaningful nor relevant to his or her life; nor to human affairs."

THAN....

On Sam Harris advisory board member? Yeah its a matter of time before he just comes out saying straight up he is an Atheist.

Don't give me this... Its gonna be a bullshit movie exalting atheism and poking fun at theism. He does this by poking fun at fundamentalists, but since everyone in this whole Godless world thinks that fundamentalism is God it will work right in there to try and take a hit on Theism.

I have no problem poking fun at fundamentalists however, have someone go on their and say fundamentalism is not what religion is about.

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2008-06-28, 13:13

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On Sam Harris advisory board member? Yeah its a matter of time before he just comes out saying straight up he is an Atheist.

So what you're saying is that I am right, he is not an atheist? I'm glad glad we can both agree I was correct.

I would say the fact that he hasn't said "straight up he's an atheist" even though he's surrounded with people that argue in favor of doing just that, shows he has some resistance to doing so.

In the end however the important points are:

1. He's not atheist, and your "research" didn't refute that.

2. You have no fucking clue how the movie will be, you are talking straight out of your ass.

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2008-06-29, 00:44

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you are talking straight out of your ass.

well if it isn't rust

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2008-06-29, 03:19

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Thanks for contributing.

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2008-06-29, 03:44

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rust, can i have your babies?

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2008-06-30, 15:35

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Hmm, I'm excited to see this. Does look interesting.

Rust is pretty sexy in this thread. =)

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2008-07-01, 15:53

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listen kidiots. NO ONE CAN CONVERT ANYONE TO SOMETHING THEY"RE NOT READY AND WILLING TO ACCEPT. That being said, there's no way to convert someone to atheism. It's not something to convert too, it's more or less an ideology or a concept. There's nothing to do with any kind of scriptures and shit, it's just the fact that you believe in facts.. not possibilities. Because a possibility is not a certain thing, therefore you have to be able to look at that and analyze the FACT that there's only a CHANCE that there's a deity ruling this chaos we like to consider order, or structural construct for that matter.

All in all, people have to WANT to believe what they just so happen to believe. So even if they are confronted with incontrovertible proof of a 'theory' there's no way to fully convince an individual stuck in their headstrong ways from which they were raised, and their parents were raised, and their parents before them.. and so on and so forth. It's just basically ingrained into our brains and shit what we're going to think and how we're going to think it. plain and simple for those too simian to understand my shit.

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