Level 5

Total loss of visual connection with reality. The senses cease to function in the normal way. Feelings of merging with space, other objects or the universe. There are powerful, and sometimes brutal, psycho-physical reactions interpreted by some users as reliving their own birth. Feelings of reaching to the beginning or the end of space and time. The loss of reality becomes so extreme that it becomes ineffable. Dream or movie like states, people have been reported seeing themselves in entirely different settings than their original setting. Many people experience religious phenomenon at this level. Often mentioned are an "all-powerful presence" or a "universal knowledge" which many equate to their idea of God or enlightenment. Earlier levels are relatively easy to describe in terms of measurable changes in perception and thought patterns. The only thing still reported to be working at a recognizable level, is the mind's voice of thought. Much is unknown about what a person actually experiences during this period, because most people actually come back explaining the experience as "inexplicable" or "uncommunicable". This effect can be produced in high doses of LSD, Ketamine, and extremely high doses of psilocybin or salvia divinorum. DMT is known to send people to level 5 with a common smoked dose, making it one of the most potent and psychoactive psychedelics known to man.

I recently took 10 grams of regular mushrooms (not the most potent strain) and got to low level 4 trip. I was just wondering how much I need to take to get to a level 5.

Also, what are the chances of "not coming back" from a trip like that, as those thoughts always run through my head when I have intense trips.

Summary: How many grams (minimum) would you suggest I take to reach this "level 5 trip?"

You heard the passage: "This effect can be produced in high doses of LSD, Ketamine, and extremely high doses of psilocybin or salvia divinorum. DMT is known to send people to level 5 with a common smoked dose"

mix some off those shits togetther. I swear one time I took shrooms too, but also smoked salvia, I was in the great system. I saw everything manmade fly by me like some wall. Reminds me of the roller coaster ride.

It just happens as long as you take a moderate dose its you that is preventing the lvl 5.

alot of people just cant trip that hard.

I did it with 2 hits of windowPAIN.

didnt expect it blacked out at around the 5 hour and dont remember much other than mumbling to my freind about how i wish it would end cause i thought my eyes were gonna go blind from the psychadelic soup.

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Level 5 trips sound TOO intense for me, I don't think I'd ever have the balls to aim for a level 5 intentionally.

I got a level 5 off raid once....

For Shulgin's sake, use his rating scale.

Edit: Name a source again and ytou will be infracted.

Consider this your warning.

Everybody gets one - just ask Spiderman.

- Meta

CCC, edit that source out you fag

Dude, just buy some DMT, it'll be SO much cheaper than buying 10+ grams of mush, why even bother trying that with mush? Or buy a gram of the most potent salvia you can find, and take the biggest hits you can till you trip, then keep hitting it till you physically cannot. But don't go looking for DMT at leoRC.da, cause I'm pretty sure they don't have any...

ha ha.....:D
BAN!:o

oh and they have only had 5-meo-dmt for years now. I hear the quality of their products has been "sucking" since 2002 or so. And with the last 2 years they have ceased completing orders all together. A person i have met in my sleep even has gotten into a pickle with the peace officers....

So to say, the website is not reliable.

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while you are on the subject of utter mindfuck on salvia.....

Does anyone remember that thread where a guy extracted A kilo of salvia, and was going to smoke all the recovered salvinorin!!? :D

What ever happened to that dude....

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Too bad it takes him forever to notice this shit

Too bad it takes him forever to notice this shit

I wonder how many sources you could get into one thread before anything happened....lol not gonna try it CCC might as well though

I could have compiled a list of every source I know and probably had them posted here for half a day or longer before a mod would notice. But I'm not an idiot.

I've gotten a ++++ off of 4 grams of cubes.

http://www.mdma.net/alexander-shulgin/shulginscale.html

This is a state that you will undoubtedly know when you have it because it will blow away all of your expectations of it. First of all, I don't think there is any substance that can induce this state consistently. And by the way, DMT is NOT a +4 trip on the Shulgin scale. Neither is salvia. In my experience with them, they are extremely powerful and will take you out of your normal reality, but the key issue is that a +4 isn't about the raw power of a trip, but rather being connected to an ultimate state of unity and sublime love. People have intense trips all the time that dissolve the ego but it doesn't impart the clear knowledge or understanding of total harmony. Talking about these trips, most people see confusing images of something and think "oh wow that must have been a transcendental experience or something". When you truly have this kind of experience you can try to question it, break it down, analyze it, but it's so deep and unyielding that there is no uncertainty.

I had my first and only +4 with a shroom trip. I had taken shrooms before and new the power it had to play with emotions, send you into the depths of terror or ecstasy alternating every few seconds, etc. There were several things that made the trip that night so unique. I found myself in a state of total clarity and love, even despite my usually cynical observer that always doubts and questions everything. Shrooms are usually emotionally confusing and conflicting for me. I saw through all aspects of my life in the most accepting and loving way I have ever known and made peace with all of the good and the bad. Perhaps it was just a kind of fulfillment of my expectations of what nirvana should be, but I transcended life, death, time, space, self and other, pain, everything. No aspect of life and experience was dismissed, simply put into this knowing that everything is unified in the most glorious and eternally blissful way.

What was so strange about all this was that I was not confused at all. In fact I was questioning what I was experiencing and said to myself...yea you're tripping, this is probably just another ephemeral part of the trip and you will crash to desperation or something. But this did absolutely nothing to deter what I was experiencing and I had this feeling of certainty that "Nothing will ever be the same again. I know I'm tripping but it doesn't matter. There is absolutely no way reality will ever be the same for me ever again." I have always had this notion that one day something will happen in my consciousness and I will achieve a state of nirvana probably not in my lifetime. At that time I suddenly found myself faced with it, with the path to transcendence right in front of me and there was no going back.

During all this I experienced (not just thought about) shifting between all of the experiences I would ever have and moving through time just like moving through a hallway. I had access to the past, present, and future but it was actually all one. I saw all the times that would be considered painful and embraced it with this all-encompassing truth that was love and unity. At this point I still knew exactly where I was and didn't lose touch with my immediate environment but still my transcendence was as real as anything I've ever known. I was tripping with 3 other people and I could look at them and merge with their consciousness. Perhaps most people can't even imagine this but looking at others was the same as looking at myself, and this was the extent of the compassion and love I was feeling. Even more so, I realized I AM them. My consciousness and theirs were reflections of a single consciousness.

Phew...there's actually a lot more to that story and some events that happened afterwards, but I'll stop here for now. Without telling the rest of the story I can tell you guys now that I KNOW this state is there but we can only take rare glimpses of it. This experience was less than a year ago and I haven't had shrooms since then but I'm growing up a new batch that will be ready pretty soon. I doubt I can repeat this experience but even this single experience has been one of the most meaningful things in my life.

I didn't know you watch Family Guy :)

I didn't know you watch Family Guy :)


Just because I'm 44 doesn't mean I don't like funny...

I've had many of these so called "level 5" trips. I have "accomplished" (never my intentions, just enjoying myself) this even on a simple gram of mushrooms. Like stated before, it's not the dose, it's you. Lighten up and look at your life for what it is.






Your doing it wrong!

Damnit, once again I missed an opportunity to get a source, I need to spend more time on totse I guess

Since when do people need to rate their trips on a scale? I say just enjoy what you've got.

Anyways, first of all make sure you're ready for this shit. I don't know who the fuck you are or how much experience you have with psychedelics or how mentally stable you are, so you be the judge.

If ten grams didn't work for you, try more, obviously. But like someone else said, you'll have way more luck with something like K, or if that's not your deal then acid.

If you have to eat as much of a drug as you possibly can to hit a ++++, maybe you should alter your mental state without the use of drugs before abusing them.

for realz.

I have had a ++++ from shulgin's scale. Those 10 grams I had the other week did that to me, for like 6 hours. The feeling would disappear and I'd be like "I've come back to earth, I'm fine", then 10 minutes later I'd think "Hey, I don't remember there being a black hole behind my head" and it would hit me again, even stronger than before. I ended up crying for like 1 hour, not because I was sad, but because I had come into the presence of something so powerful that it made me feel so fucking insignificant it was disturbing. It blew my knees out from underneath me and made me bow down to it like I was it's bitch. Then in detail my life was played out in front of me till I was 30 or so, showing me where I'd end up if I kept going the way I was. Then I was shown what life I'd live if I put more effort into my loved ones, showed more compassion, worked harder, etc.

To this day I had no idea what I wanted to do with my self, working a new shitty job every few months. Over the duration of that trip I'd discovered my life calling, and what I want to do for the next 10 or so years.

The thing is: What I described in my initial post, and what a ++++ trip is, are in my opinion very different.

I want to get to that stage where you stop seeing reality and the world becomes an animation. I heard that on DMT you actually see that much that in reality you're barely seeing anything that's still real, if anything at all.

The reason I've picked shrooms to do this is because I might have access to more than a full blown tripper could eat in a year (providing they wait the x amount of days between trips).

So I don't see the point in spending any money on this.

The worst thing is, even after doing lots of acid, shrooms, mescaline and a couple RC's, nothing has made me come closer to what I'm looking for than a strong dose of DXM. But DXM makes you feel like a hobo at the same time because it's dirty as fuck.

Out-of-body, other-worldly adventures in what appears to be a brightly coloured wonderland. I get a lot of anxiety when facing the real world on decent doses of hallucinogens (ie going out for a walk, public, etc), I don't have access to benzos at this time, so I'd want a trip that is almost physically disabling yet incredibly mentally intense.

Lastly, from shulgin's rating scale, almost every time I've ever done mushrooms has been +4, with LSD being a lot harder to get there for me. I hope I've been more helpful and specific with what I want.

The worst thing is, even after doing lots of acid, shrooms, mescaline and a couple RC's, nothing has made me come closer to what I'm looking for than a strong dose of DXM. But DXM makes you feel like a hobo at the same time because it's dirty as fuck.


I think what you need is Ketamine.

I think what you need is Ketamine.

The weirdest thing about K is that it doesn't work for me. I'm talking I spent $200 on it, out of the same bag my friends were doing it and felt nothing. I had to convince my self, after 500mg that my arms 'felt a little light'. Then people told me that I should be feeling heavy, not light.

But yeah...

I have seen what K does to people and that is totally what I want to feel...

:'(

See these days I want to try it again, just to see if things have changed. But my friends are hesitant to let me try it because K is rare around here, and after seeing me down over a gram with no effect, aren't willing to waste it on me.

(Only thing I can think of was I was taking an antipsychotic at the time, but I doubt that would have effected it)

some people just don't get any effects from ketamine...

the "animation" effect you've talked about I've gotten from lots and lots of weed - everything is a cartoon and there are either less dimensions or maybe more, it's hard to tell

if you want to really go out there, combine salvia and either shrooms or acid

I suggest acid but it seems like you get along better with shrooms. it's the opposite for me but we're all different.

I didn't even get a CHANCE to smoke salvia on acid because I became the salvia that my friends were smoking and then we were all in a much...much....different...dimension...reality...s elf....ugh. no self at all....nothing important...

Damn i would never want to relive my own birth.

This man knows the score. Actually my ++++ on mushrooms was with him. I really should rewrite that whole trip story, considering the latest developments that are a direct effect of that trip.



For anyone who cares to read about that experience, and the latest developments which are just fucking crazy, here:


https://www.totse.com/community/showpost.php?p=9073788&postcount=10

Always a good read

I didn't even get a CHANCE to smoke salvia on acid because I became the salvia that my friends were smoking and then we were all in a much...much....different...dimension...reality...s elf....ugh. no self at all....nothing important...

Quite a few times (I can recall at least five different ones) I've experienced things which I would consider ++++ trips.

The most intense one of these trips was smoking salvia for the the very first time with a blow torch out of a bong on a whole bunch of amazing acid.

I became one with everything and existed as the infinite possibilities of an eternal moment. Sometime I'll write up a trip report, I experienced and became aware of some pretty astounding things.

Lsd + Dmt.

Use the potential of a deep experience for mind and emotional body re-programming. Dreams are a level 5 "trip".

Good read, SN. I really enjoyed reading your story and I'm glad you got everthing worked out how you wanted it to be. They don't call those mushrooms 'magic' for nothin.

The worst thing is, even after doing lots of acid, shrooms, mescaline and a couple RC's, nothing has made me come closer to what I'm looking for than a strong dose of DXM. But DXM makes you feel like a hobo at the same time because it's dirty as fuck.



i can connect dude. that's what i really look for these days.

might i suggest ketamine, as others have already. i haven't tried it myself, but it sure sounds like you're looking for a flight into a k-hole.

edit- my bad, you already explained this whole thing. never mind me...

ooh and SN, i live in indiana as well. i'd understand if you don't want to get specific about what city you live in, but would it happen to be anywhere near evansville? and no, i won't ask to meet/deal with/fuck you, just an idle curiosity.

I recently took 10 grams of regular mushrooms (not the most potent strain) and got to low level 4 trip. I was just wondering how much I need to take to get to a level 5.

Also, what are the chances of "not coming back" from a trip like that, as those thoughts always run through my head when I have intense trips.

Summary: How many grams (minimum) would you suggest I take to reach this "level 5 trip?"

I took just over one 8th one night and got left alone. Most of what was described happened...it was scary to say the least.
I definitly thought i was dying and being sucked into the body of a baby to be born again in an inevitable endless cycle. I def look at a yin yang dift now

Just a normal Saturday morning for me.

srsly just got back -.-

you have to beat the boss at level 4 and collect enough gold DK coins to pay the fare to the next island

This man knows the score. Actually my ++++ on mushrooms was with him. I really should rewrite that whole trip story, considering the latest developments that are a direct effect of that trip.



For anyone who cares to read about that experience, and the latest developments which are just fucking crazy, here:


https://www.totse.com/community/showpost.php?p=9073788&postcount=10

MOAR! no man, that was perfect, unfortunately for me, I still had to live through pain for about a year later before I realized what I needed, but it's awesome both of our lives have turned out so different since those days.

as its been said, the key to a ++++ experience is more yourself than the drug..


which, IMO is what you should be trying to do when tripping..

MOAR! no man, that was perfect, unfortunately for me, I still had to live through pain for about a year later before I realized what I needed, but it's awesome both of our lives have turned out so different since those days.


Well if you remember, we DID talk about this, and I did point out several similarities between your situation and my own, trying to help, or at least shed a bit of light.......


But, like with anything else, people don't do things until they are ready, and some things are just really fucking hard to accept.


We seriously have to trip together again, with mushie again would be good, and just see how different things are, actually man, now that I think of it, we have to do this. Waxing poetic about the days of old on shrooms would be fucking great. lol@vicki



But you know I have a house now man, get you and your old lady a few days off work at the same time and come trip balls with me. I heard someone mention my dear friend lucy the other day, it would be great if she could show up to the party too.

This man knows the score. Actually my ++++ on mushrooms was with him. I really should rewrite that whole trip story, considering the latest developments that are a direct effect of that trip.



For anyone who cares to read about that experience, and the latest developments which are just fucking crazy, here:


https://www.totse.com/community/showpost.php?p=9073788&postcount=10

ive read that before, but still a good read...

always nice to hear about people making positive changes in their lives...

ive read that before, but still a good read...

always nice to hear about people making positive changes in their lives...
The latest part was that we bought a house literally a block away from where I lived before. Like, I wanted to come back here, and make my life right, and I ended up a BLOCK away from before, it's like I am meant to be in this area, this spot.

I reckon you could get to level 5 with IM ketamine or smoked DMT?

Of course, people mess themselves up at times, pushing the "doors" open too much. You gota think whether you're stable enough to be testing your mindset loads, and whether you're prepared to deal with whatever is left there, when you return to sobriety.

K might be your best bet, if you can't find DMT -- probably best to do insufulation until you hole, at first, and work up to IMing. Make sure you know what you're doing with needles too, ideally get someone who does to help you out?

Isn't it obvious?

Large amounts of DMT.

Stay safe,
Bos

maybe two hits of acid, and over a gram of dxm would get you there

or dmt/dmt+acid

I'll be trying out the acid dxm combo soon, ill post how it goes depending on when i do it

I've been trying to hit it for a while too, in my ignorance I was basically increasing the dxm dose, pushing over two grams, still not hitting it.

I tried lsd once, and realize that combining such a powerful drug with something that was almost getting me there might just fling me off the world for a few hours.

The only problem is that I have the enzyme deficiency, so I tend to have effects for 2-3 days, and I can't really do it often since I need that much time without anything to do.

I'm not so savvy with drugs but I know people who like fucking around with lots of different kinds and they say they mix psychedelics, hallucinogenics and stimulants together to go out of this world. I'd assume that a cocktail of these could work (salvia while you feel the effects of lots of mushrooms, lsd, ecstasy and some other stuff combined)

I also know people add basic things from shops like iamshaman where you can get strong salvia, LSA seeds and even thujone.

tell us how it goes