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Old 2008-06-14, 19:03
sir robin sir robin is offline
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Default GBL vs GHB

Hey, can anyone explain to me the differences between GBL and GHB effects wise and health wise? Is it worth it converting the GBL to GHB or is it better to use on its own?
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Old 2008-06-14, 20:09
Mellow_Fellow Mellow_Fellow is offline
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Default Re: GBL vs GHB

Mmm it's pretty complicated and I don't fully understand, however;

GBL (and 1,4) is a pro-drug of GHB. Your body converts it to GHB when it's absorbed, usually in the stomach, but also through the blood if it's going..... other places.

GHB is neutral I think, it can be a salt, and it doesn't taste that strong, nor is it caustic. GBL is an industrial cleaner, and an irritant, which means you don't take it alone, you mix it with juice almost always. Water is unpleasant for taste, and trust me, the stuff tastes rather foul. GBL hits hard and fast, I understand - it's converted rapidly, and the danger of it is of course the dosage, as with liquid average dose is between 1 and 2ml, with 0.1ml of a dose making the difference between monging out and blacking out. It's serious stuff, as well as dangerous, so you MUST know what you're doing, it terms of dosage, and use a pipette.

GHB is often dosed as a salt, or a solution, but either way you take more, and there's slightly more leeway for fuckups. It's better on the body, no "fuck it feels like i've swallowed an industrial cleaner" throat/stomach pains etc, however, in terms of legality, in the U.K. at least, it's illegal. GBL is legal, and as such, people take the risk.

GHB, and whatever form you're using to get it inside you, is VERY addictive too, if used regularly anyway. Some BLTCers are fucking tools, so to be honest it's good people dont do this stuff, because on other forums, the threads about withdrawal and addiction are really NOT pleasant. Think alcohol/benzo withdrawals, they're like that.... it's to do with GABA receptors and blood plasma and all sorts of shite I don't understand. Either way, people end up dosing industrial chemicals 24/7 they're that addicted.

GHB is well fun though..... makes you horny and messy and happy, like booze but kinda..... better. GBL feels quite harsh on the body though, it's an irritant and i've had intestine pain from it etc, but occasionally, it's fun. DO NOT MIX IT WITH MUCH ALCOHOL THOUGH IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. This is definitely a way to pass out, or end up in hospital, or worse. One beer, you may just be able to take (i had depressed breathing...), but even that is pushing it. Mixing downers..... not a good idea.

Bluelight has some good info on GHB/GBL. Basically, if you dont know what you're doing, steer clear, and if you do.... think about being worried haha. It's good shit for E comedowns though.... god, i wish i could get GHB salt, time to brush up on chemistry skills maybe (totally theoretically) :p
 
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