Okay, so, i'll start from the beginning.

When i moved to michigan back in '97, i was 6 years old. Soon after i moved up here, this other family moved in behind me (we live in a subdivision wayy out in the middle of nowhere).

Well, the family that moved in had a girl a year younger then me and a boy a year older. The boy and i became best friends, making fun of his sister, messing around with her, we grew up together. We were never REALLY mean to her, but we were just kids.

Fast forward to now. I'm 16, he's 17, she's 15. Him and I gradually stopped hanging out once he got whipped by his girlfriend. We still talk in school and stuff, but never hang out anymore. She and I have become best friends, better then any friendship i've ever had, we are tight.

She's grown up fast, smoking, drinking, all that shit now. Her brother won't even talk to her about that stuff since his girlfriend thinks it's evil to do drugs and stuff. She's experienced alot of firsts with me, first drink, first cig, first joint, first sneaking out, first passing out in the woods :p

We drink alot together, and when we do, shit just clicks, ya' know? like, we're open as fuck. We've talked about past sexual experiences, we've passed out on eachother, just close shit.

Currently she's dating this faggot, the kid is this gumpy stoner fuck for which she is way too good for. She's dated some good kids in the past, but he treats her like shit, and it pisses me off.

I've been dating this girl on and off for the past two years, and she's coming back the 21st. She got into some shit with her dad one day and had to go move to colorado in december, and i haven't dated another girl since, we still talk on the phone and shit, and she's moving back here for the summer.

I care for both of them, but i can't see things going really any farther with the girl who i've been fucking around with for the past year or so, since she IS a whore, but she's my whore and she knows it. Long distance shit just doesn't work too good.

Now then, we have this other girl who i've known since i was 6, who i'll do anything for, and i'm sure she would do anything for me(friend-wise).

I'm not sure what to think, when we hang out sober and shit, we just chill out and talk, watch tv, play games, go for walks, all that good stuff. We really connect, like, way past what good friends should be connecting at. When we're drunk/high/whatever, we just hang onto eachother, really clingy, both of us are when we're not sober. We'll fall asleep on my bed, couch, her bed, whatever. I've never really made any moves besides once, i think i grabbed her waist and started humping her in the woods and we fell down and laughed. I was pretty fucked up at the time so i could be missing some details.

She really means more to me then anyone else right now, i know this shit is confusing, i know i shouldn't be thinking like this, but i really want to have her. I'd do anything to make her mine. I would have asked her out before this little prick got to her but i was already involved with someone at that time. She lost her virginity to this kid, and she doesn't like change, she would go through anything in a relationship, she just can't break up with anyone, it's always been like this.

Since it's summer now, we've been hanging out alot more, and we're going out tonight or tomorrow night again. I really don't want to be the one to tell her that her boyfriend is bad for her, then go on to ask her out after being the one responsible for breaking them up. She has people tell her every day that he isn't good for her, but she blows them off since she doesn't really care what they think about it. I'm sure my opinion would have about 500x the impact as anyone elses, but you have to understand how fucking delicate this shit is.

i really don't know what to do, she's the only one that i care about, i care about her more then the girl i've been fucking for over the past year.

If you were in my position, what would you do? Just wait it out and see what happens, or go balls to the wall, and tell her what the fuck you think, even if it might totally screw everything up.

I am TERRIBLE at making decisions like this. If you need any more information about this, just ask, i'd be glad to help.

Totse, you guys are the only people i can ask for advice on something like this. please don't let me down.

also, feel free to add my msn if you have any advice or want to talk about it. ni-c-ko@live.com

If you were in my position, what would you do?

First off, I would give a more insightful and meaningful title for my thread, as "Fucking shit man..." could mean anything.

Alright, now I have two pieces of advice, one if you want to take the easy way out and one if you want to take the hard way out.

Hard: Realize that this girl simply isn't ready for the kind of love and affection you have for her, and would give her in a relationship. She has a lot of growing up to do if she still sticks around with loser piece of shits like her current boyfriend. She probably likes that everyone that actually cares for her doesn't like the guy. It's the fucked up mentality of a 15 year old girl. She would probably end up emotionally and sexually manipulating you at every turn, given you seem absolutely stricken. So give it a few years at least, and see where this friendship could lead. As of being her boyfriend, forget about it for the time being.

Easy: Get out the balaclava and firearm and ambush her boyfriend. I'm not saying harm him or kill him, just show him what the score is. Make him piss his pants. Tell him if he doesn't break up with her you will kill him. Then swoop in when he stops talking to her, like the cowardly little bitch he is.

Do you really want to take the friendship further than friendship?
What you have with the girl you've known since you were 6 sounds wonderfull. Do you want to risk losing that, that much?

And as for hurting her boyfriend.. well, she's with him for a reason, even if you cant see that reason. He may suck to you, but she's chosen him. Unless he's hurting her I can see no reason why you'd intefere. That sounds a little like jealousy.

Seems like you're pretty much another brother to her. Don't go there, you'll ruin everything.

Yeah, i think she is still a little immature, but we do have something, i actually just got home from chilling with her :D

I do have time to wait, till she's a little bit more mature, to try to take this any farther. Which sounds like he path i might have to take.

Also, @ yoyo, there is a little bit of jealousy there, and i understand that i am jealous. I've thought this through before posting it here.

Well, i'm going out with her in a hour or so, any suggestions on what i should do?

Honestly. I think you could have her anyway you want.

i know what you mean with the 'sober-talk/fucked up-cuddle' thing.

seriously just reach your hands down her pants to some real sexy, smooth R&B.

i'm only kind of fucking around, from experience, if you started kissing her/getting handsy you would PROBABLY be able to take it whereever you want it to go.. however, the question is, do you want this?

well, i guess hes out with her now.

this has all the trademarks of a good lol.

*waits and sees what unfolds*

Naw man, went to town to grab some newports, going out in half an hour though!

I'll post back when i get back, going to go get refreshed & shit, glad to see someone cares a bit about how this turns out ;)

Naw man, went to town to grab some newports, going out in half an hour though!

I'll post back when i get back, going to go get refreshed & shit, glad to see someone cares a bit about how this turns out ;)

Yeah I agree with everyone else. Shes not at a good age for relationships so just stay friends until you're older. When she matures she'll see whos been there all along.

So, i'm back.

Last night we went out for a bit but she had to go (parents found out and called her phone, demanding she comes home right now).

Today i was at her house, her parents were gone, we were laying out on her deck, she was tanning while i was blowing smoke rings into her face. We went downstairs, chilled a bit, she started talking to me about how i made her who she is today (her habits, music, personality) and we were trying to fit both of us into her computer chair because i wanted to use msn :)

She was pissed about how her boyfriend ditched her so he could go hang out with his friends today.

That's about it, also, she gave me a NOS drink :)

Anyone wanna analyze this for me?

Why wasn't there a TL;DR?

I tried to read it all. I tried. Do you honestly know how stoned some totseans are?

Should have sat her head on her lap or something, played with her hair. Make a move.

It would have been gold.

Well now, we see the immature side of this whole thingy lawl.

She gave me a blank cd to burn with sublime, i put all the sublime i had that she didnt on there, and put some filler songs on it, and she's pissed that i can't be trusted lawl.

And now we wait a hour until she unblocks me