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 #1 
Old 2008-06-05, 22:17
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So does anyone know anything about Ephedrine? As I hear it, it's an illegal diet pill. Apparently it works by speeding up the metabolism and reducing appetite.

Anyone know any more details? Anyone used it? What kind of side effects would it involve? Any information would be great.
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Old 2008-06-05, 22:20
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not illegal...its a shitty stimulant, like weaker coke or meth. if you dont know the basic effects of a stimulant, youre a jackass.
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Old 2008-06-05, 22:29
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not illegal...its a shitty stimulant, like weaker coke or meth. if you dont know the basic effects of a stimulant, youre a jackass.


No, it just means I haven't read into this kind of thing. Thanks for trying though, champ.
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Old 2008-06-05, 23:04
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Seriously, more info needed. I'm interested in finding out peoples' experiences with this.
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Old 2008-06-06, 00:49
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I found an old bottle of "Stay Alert" pill in my parents medicine cabinet. it was 1000ct bottle of 25mg ephedrine that looked really old. i tried a few of them they made me feel shitty, and a wierd tingly feeling it kinda sucked.
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Old 2008-06-06, 02:43
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Ephedrine has a similar structure to Amphetamine and Methamphetamine. Really, its meth, but with and extra OH at the B carbon, if it means anything to you. Its stimulant effects are alot lower than amp/methamp but it basically turns on the sympathetic nervous system just like any other stimulant, giving effects such as: increased concentration, increased heartbeat, sweating, insomnia, dry mouth, appettite/weight loss and such. Or, you could do some simple chemistry and remove the OH, and it becomes Methamphetamine.
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Old 2008-06-06, 02:47
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Its shitty as anything else than a weightloss supliment. I remember when I was 16 and first started doing blow I was getting 1/4oz for like $140 and it was cut with ephedrine or pseudoephedrine but I didnt know at the time. When I started getting fire coke I could tell the difference and it just makes me want to shit my pants thinking about Ephedirne.
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Old 2008-06-06, 03:10
Br00klynB0y87 Br00klynB0y87 is offline
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It’s quite nice especially when mixed with a caffeinated substance. Although abusing this substance can lead to your heart hating you, and that’s not good.

Ma huang has been used in Chinese medicine for an amount of years: that is quite impressive, so if you use it with respect it ought to treat you accordingly.

Those with high blood pressure should refrain.

.peace.
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Old 2008-06-06, 12:09
surprise buttsecks surprise buttsecks is offline
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Thanks, this helps a lot.
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Old 2008-06-07, 00:58
Trapped in lies Trapped in lies is offline
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I'm currently on an EC stack (ephedrine caffeine) because im trying to lose a little weight. Ephedrine is banned in the US as a weight lose supplement, but you can get it over the counter for asthma. They are behind the counter at a pharmacy and there is a limit to how much you can buy each month. Ask for either Primatene or Bronkaid. Primatine has 12.5 mg of ephedrine HCL and Bronkaid has 25 mg of ephedrine sulfate. (HCL is pure ephedrine and sulfate is equal to about 20 mg of HCL)

If you want ephedrine for mind altering reasons, its not really worth getting imo. The first time I took 25mg it felt similar to like 10 mg adderall, so basically you don't feel anything. The second time I took it Felt absolutely nothing rather that more energy.

If you want it for losing weight, it is defiantly worth it. If you get Primatine, take two tablets, and if you get Bronkaid take 1. Also get caffeine pills and take 200 mg with the ephedrine. Take it 2 or 3 times a day at least 5 hours apart. (Also don't take it 6 hours before you go to bed.)

Once you build up a tolerance to it, you won't feel the extra energy, but you will still be burning calories because it will still have a thermegenic effect. Also don't take it for more then 6 weeks straight without taking at least a 3 week off-cycle. This will prevent it from being hard on your heart.

If you have anymore questions just ask- I'm very educated on EC stacks.
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Old 2008-06-07, 03:01
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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Its shitty as anything else than a weightloss supliment. I remember when I was 16 and first started doing blow I was getting 1/4oz for like $140 and it was cut with ephedrine or pseudoephedrine but I didnt know at the time. When I started getting fire coke I could tell the difference and it just makes me want to shit my pants thinking about Ephedirne.

Lol "fire coke!"



Once you build up a tolerance to it, you won't feel the extra energy, but you will still be burning calories because it will still have a thermegenic effect. Also don't take it for more then 6 weeks straight without taking at least a 3 week off-cycle. This will prevent it from being hard on your heart.

If you have anymore questions just ask- I'm very educated on EC stacks.That shit is hard on your heart from day one.
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Old 2008-06-07, 03:06
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Originally Posted by surprise buttsecks
So does anyone know anything about Ephedrine? As I hear it, it's an illegal diet pill. Apparently it works by speeding up the metabolism and reducing appetite.

Anyone know any more details? Anyone used it? What kind of side effects would it involve? Any information would be great.


Mom and Pop health stores still stock 'em!

*looks at LT*
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Old 2008-06-07, 07:30
Trapped in lies Trapped in lies is offline
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That shit is hard on your heart from day one.

I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything, but it really isn't hard on your heart unless you are using it for an extended period of time. As long as you don't take over 25mg per dose, exercise in really hot weather, and remember to cycle, you will be just fine.
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Old 2008-06-07, 21:38
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything, but it really isn't hard on your heart unless you are using it for an extended period of time. As long as you don't take over 25mg per dose, exercise in really hot weather, and remember to cycle, you will be just fine.

I promise you if you take any kind of stim it is going to be hard on your heart compared to no stimulants at all. that is just the way it is.
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Old 2008-06-07, 23:14
Trapped in lies Trapped in lies is offline
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^Let me rephrase myself.

If you use it in reasonable amounts and cycle it, you won't develop heart problems or conditions.
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Old 2008-06-08, 00:25
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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^Let me rephrase myself.

If you use it in reasonable amounts and cycle it, you won't develop heart problems or conditions.


Thats better. it is pretty interesting though I have heard of body builders taking a large dose one time and having a heartattack right then and there. probably from a very large dose though.
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Old 2008-06-08, 03:27
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Thats better. it is pretty interesting though I have heard of body builders taking a large dose one time and having a heartattack right then and there. probably from a very large dose though.
That's because most body builders are idiots.


Trapped in Lies, for weight loss, you should look into dinitrophenol, it's had positive results with few minor side effects in canine subjects at IU. Of course, it isn't FDA approved yet, and you would have to make it yourself. It has shown dramatic results so far though, to the point of subjects wasting away after being on it for extended periods of time. It's one of those things you want to do for a week, and be done. Fast weight loss isn't healthy, which is why I only suggest a week, anything after that would cause accelerated weightloss to the point of being unhealthy.

It's easy as hell to make though. A trip to the hardware store, and a trip to your local grocer.
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Old 2008-06-08, 03:32
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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That's because most body builders are idiots.


Trapped in Lies, for weight loss, you should look into dinitrophenol, it's had positive results with few minor side effects in canine subjects at IU. Of course, it isn't FDA approved yet, and you would have to make it yourself. It has shown dramatic results so far though, to the point of subjects wasting away after being on it for extended periods of time. It's one of those things you want to do for a week, and be done. Fast weight loss isn't healthy, which is why I only suggest a week, anything after that would cause accelerated weightloss to the point of being unhealthy.

It's easy as hell to make though. A trip to the hardware store, and a trip to your local grocer.

the question is why would a bodybuilder want take an appetite supressant if they are trying to increase their mass?
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Old 2008-06-08, 03:46
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the question is why would a bodybuilder want take an appetite supressant if they are trying to increase their mass?

Increased energy/stamina.
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Old 2008-06-08, 03:50
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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Increased energy/stamina.

yeah but dont they want to eat alot more to increase their mass? Supressing their appetite will not allow them to eat sufficient protein. I dont know, it just seems counter productive in that situation.
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Old 2008-06-08, 03:54
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yeah but dont they want to eat alot more to increase their mass? Supressing their appetite will not allow them to eat sufficient protein. I dont know, it just seems counter productive in that situation.

You don't have to eat protein, and even so, most people speeding can at least manage to get down a protein bar. If not, then you're on way too much speed to be working out.
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Old 2008-06-08, 03:57
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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You don't have to eat protein, and even so, most people speeding can at least manage to get down a protein bar. If not, then you're on way too much speed to be working out.

Well I always thought you need ALOT of protein when building up muscle. Whatever getting off topic here.
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Old 2008-06-08, 05:39
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^Body builders take ephedrine on their cutting phase. A cut is when they go on a calorie deficient diet in order to decrease their bodyfat percent. Lower bf%=more definition.

Stupid noob, I think I'll just stick with ephedrine since I have experience with it and know a lot about it. Also I'm not overweight or anything I'm just trying to reveal my 6 pack lol
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Old 2008-06-08, 20:23
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It's easy as hell to make though. A trip to the hardware store, and a trip to your local grocer.

Who are you, McGuyver????
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Old 2008-06-08, 23:20
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Who are you, McGuyver????
MacGyver doesn't have shit on me.
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Old 2008-06-08, 23:56
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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MacGyver doesn't have shit on me.

good one, i laughed. Were you talking aobut making ephedrine with a trip to the harware store and supermarket>?
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Old 2008-06-09, 06:39
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mah compound
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That sentence could be applied to a large number of compounds, including ephedrine.
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Old 2008-06-09, 06:41
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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Originally Posted by stupid noob
That sentence could be applied to a large number of compounds, including ephedrine.


Yeah i have sen you say it for quite a few things. Just curios if you were applying it to ephedrine.
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Old 2008-06-09, 07:42
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(HCL is pure ephedrine

Uh no. Freebase would be what's considered "pure" in the sense that you use it. The HCL and sulfate are just 2 different salts, and are still pure ephedrine.
 
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