My moms going to alchoholic anonymous meetings, and that's all good and all and if it helps her that's even better. But i was reading the handbook they give out and basically all the 12 steps have to do with "god", which turns me off automatically to the whole program since i don't belive in god.

are there any programs out there that don't center around god? and has AA helped anyone (whether religious or not)?

AA changes your addiction to alcohol to an addiction to God. Whether or not that works depends on the individual.

It does kinda have to do with god, but it isn't required to view it like that. If you leave out the god parts it isn't like it won't help you anymore. But yeah, AA is "spiritualy" based.

only weak people need the help of others to fix their own fucking problems, and these people would be the ones most susceptible to religious persuasion. that's why they do it. because addicts are fucking stupid and might just fall for the bullshit.

Penn & Teller did this one.

Supposedly it works 50% of the time.

So yeah, it has helped,

Do you know anything about AA? You don't use it as a crutch, nor do you use the other group members as a crutch. Being with people that are sharing your same troubles, Im sure, would helo quite a bit.

haha when i saw this i thouight it meant has Acetic Anhydride helped anyone make heroin from morphine.


swim would say YES, it helps greatly, if u want the procedure swim uses, just ask :).

as for alcoholics anonymous, it sux.

haha when i saw this i thouight it meant has Acetic Anhydride helped anyone make heroin from morphine.

Lol

Fuckin' totse...:)

Do you know anything about AA? You don't use it as a crutch, nor do you use the other group members as a crutch. Being with people that are sharing your same troubles, Im sure, would helo quite a bit.

You're an idiot. Don't talk to me.

I went to a couple of NA meetings when my sister was going to them and they were kind of a help. You get to know a new set of people who arnt centered around getting high and you start going out with them and doing non-drug related activities. Thats really the only good thing I saw from the program was the people getting new friends who had mind sets to keep you and themselfs drug free.

I've been going to SMART recovery since I got arrested (simply to make me look better to the judge if it did go to court). It's more of a self-help approach which is based on rationality and scientific studies, rather than God. Their view is that addiction is a learned (mis)behaviour that you can eventually learn to stop, as opposed to the disease approach (where you will never be free from addiction - I think that's bullshit but then again AA/NA have helped millions of people worldwide). To each his own.

Sure, you went because your "sister was going to them". Bullshit junky.

Sure, you went because your "sister was going to them". Bullshit junky.

you got some real balls to go onto a drug forum and call the people junkies...

if i recall correctly..YOU USE DRUGS, TOO. and if i was a betting man, i would bet that you just don't have the guts to try and quit whatever your poison is.

u r such a junky d00d

you got some real balls to go onto a drug forum and call the people junkies...

if i recall correctly..YOU USE DRUGS, TOO. and if i was a betting man, i would bet that you just don't have the guts to try and quit whatever your poison is.

u r such a junky d00d

Stick to what you know.

haha when i saw this i thouight it meant has Acetic Anhydride helped anyone make heroin from morphine.


swim would say YES, it helps greatly, if u want the procedure swim uses, just ask :).

as for alcoholics anonymous, it sux.Nobody cares about your procedure that can be found all over the internet, and google with three seconds of searching. You aren't cool faggot. You should stick to your own fucking forum. What was it called again? www.phreex.gov ?


Nobody email or msg this fucker asking him for shit, he's a fucking narc.

Nobody cares about your procedure that can be found all over the internet, and google with three seconds of searching. You aren't cool faggot. You should stick to your own fucking forum. What was it called again? www.phreex.gov ?


Nobody email or msg this fucker asking him for shit, he's a fucking narc.

Shit, I just emailed him and asked him to send me some shit...