Hi! Ok, so I have this friend, imaginary of course, and yes we have already successfully completed several batchs of "crank/meth" before, we already know exactly what steps to use and such and so forth, of course this is all in imagination land but whatever...
now im talking about just using the regular old route involving red phosphorus and iodine and Sudafed and acetone (obviously theres more to it than that but i dont feel the need to share all this knowledge here)

anyway, the only real question we have is this-we usually get our Pseudephedrine for our receipe by the usual route, as in buying loads of Sudafed and breakin them down and shit...unfortunately, as we ALL know, its getting freakin impossible to buy enough boxes of Sudafed that still actually contains Pseudephedrine! We have heard that there is some types of Chicken Feed that contain ephedrine, but researching online hasnt turned up any brands...in fact most are hesitant to even put antibiotics in the feed anymore! Also we'd heard there are Molassus cow salt licks that contain ephedrine....
So, does anyone actually have ANY RELIABLE info on any other source besides the pill route?? If you do, just message me a link or some info...please only serious replies...btw i also wanted to say hi to everyone, while i realize that THIS current profile looks like a "newbie", ive been posting on totse since 2003 off and on, under names like karly662000, karlysatan, karly666...but i keep moving and changing internet providers and losing my email accounts that have all my username passowrd shit in them!! So, i finally got this one up and running. if anyone remembers me from the good ole days holla!
oh and especially HI to Meta-I used to private email you a few years back and we became pretty good "virtual" friends-so Hi, how ya doing!?

"So, does anyone actually have ANY RELIABLE info on any other source besides the pill route??"
Nobody is going to post sources.

Posting theoretical resources will theoretically get you banned, but seeing how none of this really happend you are in no real danger.

Also asking for theoretical resources in your theoretical fantasy land could also raise some theoretical attention. If you've been here before an known Meta before why even breach the subject. It's not only taboo to talk sources or resoursces (my spelling is trash atm) but against site policy.

Also follow the white rabbit.

Of course I remember you Karley. I still have you in my contact list. How you been doing?

http://a311.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/67/m_bdf438801fd47a1887145b9398c87a96.png
is that you?

old poster or not.... no-one will help you by giving out the next source to you on the interwebz........next, to get it banned(the source).

What pisses me off more then a meth cook
Is a dumbass, cooking meth, who knows no chemistry behind it

Sudafed got restricted because dip-shits and hillbillies would cook it into meth....and now it IS a fucking epidemic.... towns in the middle of bum fuck nowhere now have their own drug supplies...

Stupid kids lose their lives to that shit....

FUCK METH!

Stupid kids lose their lives to that shit....


You say this like it's a bad thing.

And before you string me a tweeker's response, about how you are UbEr H4r\)c0r3 but just need that meth for your dying grandmothers stuffed nose.....

i guess i can give you a hint:

"LPAC"

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/pictures/lpac2ppa.gif

Hey guys, I wasnt actually ASKING someone to post THEIR source, like an address or phone number or ANYTHING like that at all!! All I was wondering was if anyone had heard or KNEW by expierience of another way to get the psedoephedrine besides cold pills!
And yes, i too am aggervated that actual, helpful medication like Sudafed has been mutilated until it doesnt even do shit to help when your really sick-BUT that isnt going to change now, even if NO ONE ever bought the shit for meth ever again! The laws have been made...I dont mind abiding by them either, its just more effort and time consuming and i was asking you, the community, if you MIGHT have any other ideas...
jeez, everyone got all uptight since ive been here last-
well thanks in advance if anyone actually DOES offer any ideas...

HI META!!! IVE BEEN GOOD-I LOST YOUR ACTUAL EMAIL, SEND IT TO ME AGAIN AT MY NEW CONTACT EMAIL ON HERE! MISSED YA BUD-HOW YOU BEEN??

Synthesis of (1RS,2SR)-(±)-2-Amino-1-phenyl-1-propanol
from (R)-(-)-1-Hydroxy-1-phenyl-2-propanone
Prema M. Subramanian, Sunil K. Chatterjee and Mahesh C. Bhatia
J. Chem. Tech. Biotechnol. 39, 215-218 (1987)

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Abstract

Synthesis of (1RS,2SR)-(±)-2-amino-1-phenyl-1-propanol (2) by reductive amination of (R)-(-)-1-hydroxy-1-phenyl-2-propanone (1) using ammonia and Raney nickel as a catalyst was investigated. Compound 1 was produced by fermentation of molasses with a strain of yeast and benzaldehyde was added during the course of fermentation.
Introduction

(1RS,2SR)-(±)-2-Amino-1-phenyl-1-propanol (compound 2) is a good vasoconstricting agent and clinically used as a nasal decongestant.1 This compound is commercially synthesised by chemical methods from propiophenone by a three-step procedure.2

Different methods for the synthesis of 2 are mentioned in the literature,3,4 although the information available on these processes is mostly confined to the patent literature. To the best of our knowledge, it has not been synthesised so far using Raney nickel as a catalyst from (R)-(-)-1-hydroxy-1-phenyl-2-propanone (compound 1) which is obtained by fermentation.

The present paper describes the novel two-step biosynthetic process which involves the production of (R)-(-)-1-hydroxy-1-phenyl-2-propanone by fermentation, which on reductive amination with ammonia using Raney nickel as a catalyst is converted into 2. This two-step process has advantages over the conventional chemical route based on conversion of propiophenone by a three-step synthesis.
Experimental

Production of (R)-(-)-1-hydroxy-1-phenyl-2-propanone (1) by fermentation

Compound 15-11 was produced by fermentation using a strain of yeast which was isolated from rotting apricot. The yeast strain was maintained in yeast-malt-agar slants. The fermentation was carried out in a 100-L fermenter with aeration and agitation. 40 L of the medium, which consisted of molasses (sugar 10%) and ammonium sulphate (0.1%), was charged in the fermenter. It was inoculated with 4 L of 20 hours old seed which was grown separately in a 15-L fermenter (seed and fermentation medium were of identical composition). The fermentation was allowed to proceed for 12 h after which 264 mL of benzaldehyde was added in six divided doses with an interval of 1 h between each dose. The fermentation was continued for 2 days after the addition of the last dose.

Fermentation conditions

The fermenter was agitated at 200 rpm at a temperature of 29±1°C and aeration of 11 L/min for a fermentation volume of 44 L.

The fermenter was harvested and the fermented broth passed through a centrifugal separator (Alfa Laval) to remove the yeast. The culture filtrate was extracted with benzene. The benzene extract was concentrated under vacuum below 60°C when crude compound 1 was obtained.

Purification of (R)-(-)-1-hydroxy-1-phenyl-2-propanone (1)

Crude compound 1 (91 g, [α]D25 -100°) was dissolved in 500 mL of ether and shaken quickly with 2x100 mL (5%) of sodium bicarbonate solution for the removal of acids. The combined aqueous phase was extracted with ether and mixed with the supernatant compound 1 solution. The combined ether extract was shaken with 25% aqueous sodium metabisulfate solution (5x100 mL). The aqueous extract was treated with sodium bicarbonate (~300 g) until the evolution of carbon dioxide ceased, and subsequently extracted with ether. Concentration of the extract afforded compound 1 (24 g) which was identified by preparing the following derivatives12.

1. 2,4-Dinitrophenylhydrazone: crystallised from ethanol, mp 170–171°C (literature cited 170°C).
2. Semicarbazone: crystallised from toluene, mp 193–194°C (reported 194°C).

Preparation of Raney nickel catalyst

The catalyst was prepared by the method described in the literature.13

Synthesis of (1RS,2SR)-(±)-2-amino-1-phenyl-1-propanol (2)

Compound 1 5g [α]D25 -155° (containing 4.28 g pure (R)-(–)-1-hydroxy-1-phenyl-2-propanone, 0.03 mol·dm-3) was taken up in 15 mL of benzene. 11.4 mL (0.17 mol·dm-3) of 25% ammonia and 0.5 g Raney nickel were added and hydrogen was passed for 2.30 h at 50 psi. After completion of the reaction, the reaction mixture was filtered off. concentrated hydrochloric acid (7 mL) was added to adjust the pH to 5.5. The solution was concentrated under reduced pressure. The viscous mass was dissolved in absolute ethanol and dry ether was added to the solution. A colourless compound crystallised from absolute ethanol, mp 192–194°C (literature cited 190-194°C, [α]D25 0°, was obtained. Yield: 30%, 1.61 g.

Large-scale synthesis of (1RS,2SR)-(±)-2-amino-1-phenyl-1-propanol (2)

Compound 1 106 g [α]D25 -122° (containing 71.44 g pure (R)-(–)-1-hydroxy-1-phenyl-2-propanone, 0.4 mol·dm-3) was dissolved in 840 mL of benzene; 116 mL of 25% ammonia (1.7 mol·dm-3) and Raney nickel (approximately 4 g) were added and hydrogen was passed for 3 h at 50 psi. The Raney nickel was filtered off, the reaction mixture was concentrated and conc. hydrochloric acid was added to adjust the pH to 5.5. The syrupy mass was dissolved in absolute ethanol and dry ether was added to it. A colourless compound crystallised from absolute ethanol, mp 193-195°C, was obtained, yield: 33%, 29.47 g.
Results and Discussion

Commercial-scale manufacture of this compound is carried out by a three-step synthetic route starting from propiophenone. However, the process we have developed is novel as it involves the production of (R)-(–)-1-hydroxy-1-phenyl-2-propanone by fermentation, followed by reductive amination to yield (1RS,2SR)-(±)-2-amino-1-phenyl-1-propanol. A two-phase system with benzene or a single-phase system with ethanol were tried for the hydrogenation process. The two-phase system with benzene gave better results. The Raney nickel catalyst can be recycled twice with a 10% make-up. Ammonia was added in excess to avoid synthesis of the dimeric compound. Better yield was obtained when catalytic hydrogenation was carried out at 50 psi. Low-pressure hydrogenation decreased the yield.

HI META!!! IVE BEEN GOOD-I LOST YOUR ACTUAL EMAIL, SEND IT TO ME AGAIN AT MY NEW CONTACT EMAIL ON HERE! MISSED YA BUD-HOW YOU BEEN??

Good, because I just tried to email you and it didn't go through. I will tell you how I'm doing and such in email since I don't want to hijack the thread - which, BTW, might get better replies in Lab Tips.


I can move it if you want, or let it stay; it's up to you.

Edit: Karly, you have your email setting set to private. Go ahead and email me. My email is in my sig below.

also if you want check out bouncing-bear-botanicals DOT com...

and for a whole 50$ you can get 454grams of

Ephedra Sinica

is reportedly 2.2% by weight ephedrine

you should have no problem doing a relatively high yield extraction of plant matter. yields a little under a gram of ephedrine...

Since no one has answered you yet, the chicken feed/salt lick are OLD wise tells, which are completely wrong. As much misinformation as the Gun blue/activated charcoal/aquarium wise tells, all are misinformation, theres a lot of it out there when it comes to meth precursors.

Your best bet is to keep what your doing, find someone who has large scale access to sell it to you, or to master a different route. None of which I suggest, being illegal of course, but your gonna do what your gonna do, just know that those "resources" are completely bogus bro...

Since no one has answered you yet, the chicken feed/salt lick are OLD wise tells,


The term is: Old wive's tales....

Old wise tells indeed....

*Snicker*

The term is: Old wive's tales....

Old wise tells indeed....

*Snicker*

am I finally losing it, or did I just post and you deleted it in order to cover your own ass?

I suppose you could move this to LT Meta, provided you know this person isn't just a fucktard. I am guessing that it's not a really stupid guy, but a really giddy bubbly girl, which can be easy to misunderstand via text only.

Girl seems to know a bit, and have good intentions, and it's a legit question, so yeah, have it it man.