Sup.
To all the afc's out there, hi.
Anyway, I have the dreaded aa.
Whenever I make a rapport with a girl, these kick in.
I never get to kiss close or number close.
I have started increasing kino, anyone got any non sexaul ways to slyly increase it whilst remaining under the HB's radar.
Could I try hi-5's?
Cheers.

English please...

English please...

If your not a afc or pua stay out plz:)
We have a fine art going lol.

If your not a afc or pua stay out plz:)
We have a fine art going lol.

The fine art of sounding fucking pathetic?
GTFO my Totse.

If your not a afc or pua stay out plz:)
We have a fine art going lol.

I'm not a "pua" but i get my fair share of ass.

OP is a troll.

someone has read "The Game" too much.

and with your kiss close (or lack thereof, I should say) you just suck.

MORE NEGS NOOB!

Right okay, more negging.
cheers-=p

Thumb wrestling for easy non sexual kino.

Grow up

This^

Grow up

Achieved by following the path HE chooses.

Seriously, fuck all that sarging. I always feel people who do that are social retards and they need to get a life, seriously. It's so obvious when you're doing it, and I doubt anyone who does it will have a real and honest relationship in the end because you're all retards.


/headache /rant /argh

Just watch her face when your in close, see if she looks up at ur then down at ur lips..then just kiss her...simple as that. Or just get that glare going and they may do the HARDPART for you. Or even easier which i've done, go in for a hug then when you let go keep your hands on her a bit and look her in the face and see what her expression is. If it looks good give her a lil smooch or something,shit isnt rocket science..force it.

This is so stupid..

What the shit?
I had to look it up on urban dictionary to find out what the fuck you're talking about.

1. Sarging

To go "Sarging" is the act of cruising around town or any other place where members of the opposite sex are and writing down results in your Little Black Book.

2. Sarging

Verb; to Sarge.
The act of engaging conversational rapport with a complete stranger.
Though tied to the seduction community as the official name for being "on the hunt," the term also applies in business and interpersonal relations, as the act of appearing as a socially versatile and competent person.

Kill yourself.

One thing is for sure:

Jackketch's reply to this thread should be lulzy.

Just skeet in her face.

OP, when you're sitting next to her, just start fingering right then and there, she'll love you for it.

I've done it before with no legal ramifications

Wow.. someone sure is bitter... did one of these 'PUA's fuck you and then never call you back?

pwnt

I'm torn between agreeing with iSoape that pick up artist shit is stupid and that thinking with your cock and putting on a fake personality to get pussy is really low, and believing that people like iSoape (and I guess myself) should mind our own fucking business and not complain about how guys choose to interact with women.

go with the second.

You guys can make fun of sarging all you want but I know PUA that get like 3 girls a day when they too. Seriously, I know some talented ones and they get some very nice pussy.

Wow.. someone sure is bitter... did one of these 'PUA's fuck you and then never call you back?

pwnt

not even close - they're just fucking losers

You're not in a position to criticise someone who did something with their life and started actually getting women.

You're not in a position to criticise someone who did something with their life and started actually getting women.

Correct.

First of all you don't need to put in so much jargon. If you are increasing kino, none of it should be sexual until you are in the seduction phase.

When they say kino they mean simple touching while you are talking. It doesn't mean give her a high five, that would be lame as fuck. You could only pull it off if you were already cool with the girl, or she just happens to have good humor.

So simply, keep the touching at first to a slight touch on her shoulders, and arms. I would avoid touching anything on her face, hands, or neck until you have built more comfort with her. Depending on the girl and how her hair looks, and how the conversation is going, it is always out there for some playful flirting.

Don't even concern yourself with number closing, or kiss closing. Try working on just building kino constantly, and once you start doing this trust me you will see girls becoming more responsive when you talk to them. Girls like being touched by non-creepy and entertaining men. :)

The fine art of sounding fucking pathetic?
GTFO my Totse.

Your totse? This is a community asshole. You're the pathetic one.

someone has read "The Game" too much.

and with your kiss close (or lack thereof, I should say) you just suck.

MORE NEGS NOOB!

I wish you were not an idiot, "The Game" really isn't even a book on picking up women.

Thumb wrestling for easy non sexual kino.

This is a good one, but I would use it as a bet for something, like drinks or who has to go get the waiter. If she loses, then see if you can get her to walk with you. Try and be creative, nothing wrong with planning ahead.

Seriously, fuck all that sarging. I always feel people who do that are social retards and they need to get a life, seriously. It's so obvious when you're doing it, and I doubt anyone who does it will have a real and honest relationship in the end because you're all retards.


/headache /rant /argh

And to think I thought you had a head on your shoulders. No, you can't tell when someone is doing it, no people who do it are not social retards. Every man does it, it's just other men practice with specific goals in mind not just, "Let's go talk to bitches at the mall."

Oh, and who are you to say what is real and honest? Who are you to say retards don't deserve those types of relationships?

Just watch her face when your in close, see if she looks up at ur then down at ur lips..then just kiss her...simple as that. Or just get that glare going and they may do the HARDPART for you. Or even easier which i've done, go in for a hug then when you let go keep your hands on her a bit and look her in the face and see what her expression is. If it looks good give her a lil smooch or something,shit isnt rocket science..force it.

Shut THE FUCK UP! Out of everyone on the board, and besides Zero Malarki I think you are the second most full of shit.

NO, do not force the kiss, what the fuck is wrong with you? He isn't even able to build kino and you want him to put his face in front of the girl he just met? Anyone else see that as extremely uncomfortable? I hate people in my face, especially people I don't know.

This is so stupid..

Go read your fucking PlayGirl then vag.

I'm torn between agreeing with iSoape that pick up artist shit is stupid and that thinking with your cock and putting on a fake personality to get pussy is really low, and believing that people like iSoape (and I guess myself) should mind our own fucking business and not complain about how guys choose to interact with women.

Hey you stupid fucking cunt, shut the fuck up. Who the fuck is putting on a "fake personality" to get pussy? Fucking idiots. Think for yourself you fucking twat.

You guys can make fun of sarging all you want but I know PUA that get like 3 girls a day when they too. Seriously, I know some talented ones and they get some very nice pussy.

Giving men a manual on women and how to talk to them is basically their dream. Men are armed, and I think women are going to say, "Who fucking cares? I'm having fun!"

At the end of the day the girls don't give a fuck because they're with a fun guy, having a good time, and being treated respectfully. Most idiots in this place don't understand the emphasis put on self-improvement. AKA fixing your asshole nature.

not even close - they're just fucking losers

You're a fucking loser for passing judgment on people YOU DO NOT KNOW! Then taking yourself seriously...

Hey you stupid fucking cunt, shut the fuck up. Who the fuck is putting on a "fake personality" to get pussy? Fucking idiots. Think for yourself you fucking twat.

Fair enough.

not even close - they're just fucking losers

For you to get so emotional about this, you MUST have had some kind of negative experience with it. There's no other explanation for why you have such a blind hatred for something you quite obviously don't even understand.

Not everyone was born with the gift of being an extroverted ladies' man. Some people need an extra boost. Who are you to judge them for that? You are in fact much more pathetic than they could possibly ever be.

Go read your fucking PlayGirl then vag.

I didn't realise pretending to be someone else was so important to you Carbon. I do apologise.

Any one, who doesn't use so much jargon and sound like a faggot, have any luck with this? Would like opinions/experiences from articulate people.

For you to get so emotional about this, you MUST have had some kind of negative experience with it. There's no other explanation for why you have such a blind hatred for something you quite obviously don't even understand.

Not everyone was born with the gift of being an extroverted ladies' man. Some people need an extra boost. Who are you to judge them for that? You are in fact much more pathetic than they could possibly ever be.

I had a friend who was into this and he basically taught himself to be a different person to 'get women'. He was part of a forum, a wide community of people that all took an interest in this practice to a greater or lesser extent.
This guy took it to the extremes, nasty NLP stuff and plain manipulation. I feel so strongly about this because I believe his desire to be someone else completely fucked everything up for him and it fucked up our friendship.
It made me so anxious that I didn't know who he was from day to day that I just couldn't be around him. If the guard slips, it unveils a completely normal person underneath, and it is challenging to say the least.

I don't think there's anything wrong with learning some of these 'skills', but when taken to extremes it can be horrid for their friends, a social nightmare. I am most certainly not pathetic, either.

I feel so strongly about this because I believe his desire to be someone else completely fucked everything up for him and it fucked up our friendship.

If it got to the point where it was affecting him in every aspect of his life, then yes, it sounds like he did take it too far. I'll give you that.

But that doesn't exactly justify making such vast generalizations...

I am most certainly not pathetic, either.

Judging an entire group of people based on one single experience isn't pathetic??

It's definitely not a sign of a well adjusted individual, that's for sure.

If it got to the point where it was affecting him in every aspect of his life, then yes, it sounds like he did take it too far. I'll give you that.

But that doesn't exactly justify making such vast generalizations...



Judging an entire group of people based on one single experience isn't pathetic??

It's definitely not a sign of a well adjusted individual, that's for sure.

This is totse, we're not supposed to be well adjusted.

This is totse, we're not supposed to be well adjusted.

I suppose that's a valid point.

Although it still doesn't exactly excuse making rash generalizations, but whatever...

I suppose that's a valid point.

Although it still doesn't exactly excuse making rash generalizations, but whatever...

ahh shutup I can say what I like.

ahh shutup I can say what I like.

Well then so can I...

*cough* pathetic *cough*

I love where this argument has gone.
Let me continue it:

"Yeah, So"

This is totse, we're not supposed to be well adjusted.

yea we are, i mean most of us are decently normal, ever read a forum where there is someone who isnt? its weird as hell.

yea we are, i mean most of us are decently normal, ever read a forum where there is someone who isnt? its weird as hell.

Well I'm not. And there are far more weirdos than you realise

yea we are, i mean most of us are decently normal, ever read a forum where there is someone who isnt? its weird as hell.

Have you actually looked at half the posts on this forum?

Fuck normal. Nobody's normal. Normal is boring.

Yes, I have. For those who are willing to read a lot and then put it to action, just like any other learned skill, they can achieve a lot of success.

It's not about putting on a fake personality which is what a lot of newbies do, by using routines (canned stories with predicted responses to answers).

For example:

Fag: OMG guys! Did you see the fight outside? Two chicks were fighting over this rich-looking fat guy!
Girls: No, omg! (of course they didn't, because it didn't fucking happen)
Fag: Yeah it was insane! So are those nails real?
Girls: No
Fag: Oh, I guess they still look good anyway. (neg, which is used to lower a girl's value so that she likes you more)

The guys who achieve real success read all the methods, find a few that fit their personality, and integrate them as part of their approaches to social situations.

The best make their own and just don't give a fuck.

Lately I've been settling into a pretty direct style, where you say what's on your mind without worrying about subjective opinions.

Like today for example, I was chatting with an optometrist (35 years old, married, gorgeous MILF) and within thirty minutes we're joking around about tit jobs and genital herpes. The whole time my mom was there and joking around with us too, which was a bit weird haha.

Of course, seduction shit isn't for everyone, but for any open-minded guy willing to do a bit of reading and self-improvement, it's an awesome way to get more comfortable with women, which turns into more success with them.

www.fastseduction.com

Google "mode one", that's what I've been trying to do lately. Takes some serious balls though.

http://modeone.net/archives/M1-Backstory.html

That's some of the author's same-day seductions, pretty crazy shit.

Hope that helps arquin.

I didn't realise pretending to be someone else was so important to you Carbon. I do apologise.

Pretending to be someone else? Pull your head out of your ass man! Learning to interact with other people IS NOT becoming someone else, you can't instantaneously change your personality. Developing your game is about growing as a person, working on yourself, and becoming a better you. Fuck you for saying different.

I had a friend who was into this and he basically taught himself to be a different person to 'get women'. He was part of a forum, a wide community of people that all took an interest in this practice to a greater or lesser extent.
This guy took it to the extremes, nasty NLP stuff and plain manipulation. I feel so strongly about this because I believe his desire to be someone else completely fucked everything up for him and it fucked up our friendship.
It made me so anxious that I didn't know who he was from day to day that I just couldn't be around him. If the guard slips, it unveils a completely normal person underneath, and it is challenging to say the least.

I don't think there's anything wrong with learning some of these 'skills', but when taken to extremes it can be horrid for their friends, a social nightmare. I am most certainly not pathetic, either.

Yeah, and people strap bombs to their chest. Thanks for an extreme example. There are worse things in life then some idiot not knowing who the fuck he is.

Well I'm not. And there are far more weirdos than you realise

What are you running from?

Google "mode one", that's what I've been trying to do lately. Takes some serious balls though.

http://modeone.net/archives/M1-Backstory.html

That's some of the author's same-day seductions, pretty crazy shit.

Basically he walks up to girls and say "I wanna fuck you." If they object, he doesn't blink an eye and keeps repeating it. Eventually they fuck him.

Nice. :D

Basically he walks up to girls and say "I wanna fuck you." If they object, he doesn't blink an eye and keeps repeating it. Eventually they fuck him.

Nice. :D

Hmmmmmmm yeah, I feel like his approach is only for sexual gratification? How many women does he approach like this? Odd...

Hmmmmmmm yeah, I feel like his approach is only for sexual gratification? How many women does he approach like this? Odd...

I think it works with women that physically fancy him and that wouldn't mind doing it there and then anyway. Note how in the first story, the girl basically approached him and did all the work herself.

Pretending to be someone else? Pull your head out of your ass man! Learning to interact with other people IS NOT becoming someone else, you can't instantaneously change your personality. Developing your game is about growing as a person, working on yourself, and becoming a better you. Fuck you for saying different.

It can work both ways. You can either consider it self improvement, or you can consider it a change in your core personality. Not everyone is born to be a ladies man.

And fuck you for being so volatile.

Whenever I read these PUA threads I think this. It seems like the lamest way in the world to pick up chicks. Also sounds like they are playing dungeons and dragons or some shite.

Developing your game is about growing as a person, working on yourself, and becoming a better you. Fuck you for saying different.

In taking all this PUA shit seriously you are not developing your game at all, you are playing somebody elses.

Basically he walks up to girls and say "I wanna fuck you." If they object, he doesn't blink an eye and keeps repeating it. Eventually they fuck him.

Nice. :D

notice how many years in between these encounters....

It can work both ways. You can either consider it self improvement, or you can consider it a change in your core personality. Not everyone is born to be a ladies man.

And fuck you for being so volatile.

Fuck you for still being narrow minded. Ladies man? You still don't get it do you? It isn't about being a ladies man you fucking idiot. It is about learning how to communicate with not only females, but people in general. It is a way of learning how to interact socially. Jesus, you're fucking dense. Be gone! Before I RUUUUUUUUULE you!

Whenever I read these PUA threads I think this. It seems like the lamest way in the world to pick up chicks. Also sounds like they are playing dungeons and dragons or some shite.

That's because you're a moron.

In taking all this PUA shit seriously you are not developing your game at all, you are playing somebody elses.

You are a fucking moron. Since we've already establish this, let's just throw out your extremely small scope of what we're talking about here. No one is changing their personality, you can't change your personality you fucking asshole. You may be able to act differently, but beneath the act you still have you. So, the point of working on inner-game is figuring out how to create a style of communicating with women that fits YOUR personality.

Canned routines are just a starting point. When you were a child, your personality was at it's infant stage. Experiences and interactions with other people help develop your personality while you are growing up. Look at this as a way to get most people's social skills from the infant stage, to an adult and matured stage. That is the goal. Now shut the fuck up.

notice how many years in between these encounters....

It's because he was strictly talking about women who he had slept with the very same day. It means he isn't always that direct, he isn't always that forward. He is still being direct though with what he wants when he approaches women.

I wasn't attacking you, so you can chill your beans. I like how you say you can't change your personality then go onto explain your use of PUA as a means to develop your personality though, that's really enouraging me to take you seriously.

Do you understand what a foundation is? Would you agree that you have an underlying foundation of personality that is never going to be corrupted or changed? Well that is my belief, and I didn't say learning pick-up changes your personality. I said that learning pick-up helps you DEVELOP your personality, and allows you to more easily express it and show it to other people.

You are a moron, please stop talking.

This thread gets two thumbs down.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read.

It's because he was strictly talking about women who he had slept with the very same day. It means he isn't always that direct, he isn't always that forward. He is still being direct though with what he wants when he approaches women.

"fuck me", "nope" , "Fuck me" "no" "Fuuuuckkk meeehh" nOO!, "FUCK MAHH! NOW"!

this "mode one" is some srs bzns

"fuck me", "nope" , "Fuck me" "no" "Fuuuuckkk meeehh" nOO!, "FUCK MAHH! NOW"!

this "mode one" is some srs bzns

You're also an idiot.

The only game that matters is your inner game.

That's what I need to sort out. There's no reason why Im not knee deep in pussy.

You're also an idiot.

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Go to hell nigger

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Go to hell nigger

Idiot.

Idiot.

Inbred twat.

^This

Fuck you for still being narrow minded. Ladies man? You still don't get it do you? It isn't about being a ladies man you fucking idiot. It is about learning how to communicate with not only females, but people in general. It is a way of learning how to interact socially. Jesus, you're fucking dense. Be gone! Before I RUUUUUUUUULE you!

It certainly sounded like the op was looking to develop themselves socially.

It certainly sounded like the op was looking to develop themselves socially.

Yes, in essence this is what sarging is about.

I keep forgetting to unsubscribe this thread.
I swear it's been getting exponentially gayer every time I accidentally read it again.

Why do they call it an art when its just a nearly constant formula/theory of what women get turned on to that just gets tweaked according to minor circumstances? Art evolves. Pick-up "artistry" is predictable. Act moderately aggressive most of the time, touch them, do things that normal people would call "going out on a limb."

If it were truly an art, there wouldn't be a jargon invented to legitimize it. I have plenty of luck without thinking about these elements in the purely technical sense forced upon these guys by the usage of a language...

I guess my point is it's artful when you don't think about it. It just sounds embarrassing when you speak this jargon out loud, and you're equally stupid if you think in this quasi-language while out. Yes, stupid. It sure as hell isn't smart.

I mean, I've got an acquaintance that always wants to "open up a set" (in his words) when we happen to be out together. That really doesn't sound smooth, or normal. He could get the same point across by saying "Let's go talk to those chicks."



Ahhhhh that felt pretty good. I haven't ranted in a long time.

Your rant is pretty stupid, especially considering it comes from the Venusian Arts. At least the description of it being an art. Yes, the idea is to become thoughtless in your process of talking to women, and people in general. That is not something easily achieved, and the words and break down of the approach in a technical manner is to facilitate learning.

Once you learn something, then you can start to master it. How can you expect someone to be a masterful linguist in conversation if they are at a basic level? How would you teach someone to become an expert at interaction?

Your rant is pretty stupid, especially considering it comes from the Venusian Arts. At least the description of it being an art. Yes, the idea is to become thoughtless in your process of talking to women, and people in general. That is not something easily achieved, and the words and break down of the approach in a technical manner is to facilitate learning.

Once you learn something, then you can start to master it. How can you expect someone to be a masterful linguist in conversation if they are at a basic level? How would you teach someone to become an expert at interaction?

I at no point used the word "master." You put words in my mouth and used them as the basis of your questions. I used the word "artful" and that's the closest I came. Becoming a master linguist is totally unnecessary for the job most PUAs are trying to pull off. They're just girls, after all. Nevertheless, I will refute your argument, because there are holes in it.

As a rough guess, I would say the vast majority of people learn how to interact and form conversations with others by kindergarten. So, someone is taught to become an expert at interaction starting at about the age of 5 or 6.

In fact, I believe the DSM-IV lists problems interacting with others as important criteria for many severe developmental disorders.

Are you inferring PUAs are retards? We might not be so different after all, my friend.

The next step on the road to a master of language is learning to read. I would guess most of us could read fairly well by third or fourth grade. From then until 17 or 18 we have a developing period for the young Casanova. I would say 8 years is probably enough for a kid to learn how to speak good enough to a girl of similar age.

Now more to my use of the word "artful," many of the greatest works of art in human history have been incredibly simple, not complex in the least. Classical music based on broken thirds throughout, such as many of Bach's works. Poetry such as Robert Burns' "To A Mouse." Simple and easy to understand, and yet incredibly superior to more complex works of the period.

In the same vein, adding unnecessary complexity (that is, a jargon) to a situation that doesn't warrant it (talking to a fellow human being) is not always helpful.


Also, I haven't read 'Venusian Arts,' and don't plan to, but I would disagree if the purpose is to become "thoughtless" in conversation...again, it's not art if it can be so easily repeated according to a formula.

I at no point used the word "master." You put words in my mouth and used them as the basis of your questions. I used the word "artful" and that's the closest I came. Becoming a master linguist is totally unnecessary for the job most PUAs are trying to pull off. They're just girls, after all. Nevertheless, I will refute your argument, because there are holes in it.

This is a discussion you self-righteous twat....

As a rough guess, I would say the vast majority of people learn how to interact and form conversations with others by kindergarten.

Oh really? You've completely learned how to interact b y Kindergarten? Are you fucking retarded? Next dip shit statement...

So, someone is taught to become an expert at interaction starting at about the age of 5 or 6.

Lol, NO mother fucker. I think you have no clue what "EXPERT" means...

In fact, I believe the DSM-IV lists problems interacting with others as important criteria for many severe developmental disorders.

No shit you'll have development problems if you never learn to interact with other people. Thank you Captain Obvious.

Are you inferring PUAs are retards? We might not be so different after all, my friend.

No, I am calling you a retard. Especially since you think I'm your friend.

The next step on the road to a master of language is learning to read. I would guess most of us could read fairly well by third or fourth grade. From then until 17 or 18 we have a developing period for the young Casanova. I would say 8 years is probably enough for a kid to learn how to speak good enough to a girl of similar age.

We are talking about mastery of INTERACTION, not MASTERY of the English language. Also NO, you could not read fairly well by the 3rd or 4th grade. Especially not as well as a literature professor at Princeton. Your speculation is idiotic at best.

Now more to my use of the word "artful," many of the greatest works of art in human history have been incredibly simple, not complex in the least. Classical music based on broken thirds throughout, such as many of Bach's works. Poetry such as Robert Burns' "To A Mouse." Simple and easy to understand, and yet incredibly superior to more complex works of the period.

Your lack of a broader view is astounding. Please shut the fuck up, when you first build something it is complex. Then you slowly rework it to use less parts, and to function with a lower rate of failure. You're a moron for saying creations start out complete, or some how "done" as if no prior work has been put in......you are even dense enough to put Bach's name in there as a credible comparison to pick-up.

In the same vein, adding unnecessary complexity (that is, a jargon) to a situation that doesn't warrant it (talking to a fellow human being) is not always helpful.

It has already been stated THE TERMINOLOGY IS TO FACILITATE LEARNING. Idiot.

Also, I haven't read 'Venusian Arts,' and don't plan to, but I would disagree if the purpose is to become "thoughtless" in conversation...again, it's not art if it can be so easily repeated according to a formula.

You're a fucking moron. I wasn't referencing the book "Venusian Arts" I was referencing the ART OF THE VENUSIAN called.........*DRUM ROLL* THE VENUSIAN ARTS! You know...that planet women come from? Now be gone you faggot, I'm done with you.

This is a discussion you self-righteous twat....

Yep. An argument in this sense of the word refers to one side of a discussion. And yes, I am self-righteous. It helps when I meet the ladies.


Oh really? You've completely learned how to interact b y Kindergarten? Are you fucking retarded? Next dip shit statement...

Ah, you contradict yourself. You asked about a basic level. And anyway, yes, I learned how to interact by kindergarten. I knew what words to use to greet somebody, how to ask questions, how to tell people things about myself, and how to bid farewell. That sets the stage for more advanced behavior learned over the next 12 years.

Lol, NO mother fucker. I think you have no clue what "EXPERT" means...

Come on, this is TOTSE. Don't get mad. I thought you wanted a discussion. You so far have added nothing in your latest post to develop this discussion. I equate expert with master solely for the purpose of simplification in this thread. I think you read too fast; I said that Kindergarten forms the foundation for becoming skilled over the next 12 years...or actually, after learning to read up to young adulthood.




No shit you'll have development problems if you never learn to interact with other people. Thank you Captain Obvious.

Waiting for some semblance of discussion.



No, I am calling you a retard. Especially since you think I'm your friend.

Hahahaha, this from the guy that wants a discussion.

We are talking about mastery of INTERACTION, not MASTERY of the English language. Also NO, you could not read fairly well by the 3rd or 4th grade. Especially not as well as a literature professor at Princeton. Your speculation is idiotic at best.

Two things here: First, you don't know me. In the fourth grade they bumped me up into the 8th grade reading class based on a score I got on some standardized test. That's beside the point I made anyway, which was that you don't need to be a master, because anybody can do it since it's been taught to them from the beginning by observing parental figures as well as children's TV programs, etc.



Your lack of a broader view is astounding. Please shut the fuck up, when you first build something it is complex. Then you slowly rework it to use less parts, and to function with a lower rate of failure. You're a moron for saying creations start out complete, or some how "done" as if no prior work has been put in......you are even dense enough to put Bach's name in there as a credible comparison to pick-up.

That's simply not true. Michelangelo started out with a block of rock and turned it into something complex, a realistic representation of a person. Bach started his first invention with a four measure phrase and gradually increased complexity. We are talking about two seperate things: You are talking about a machine. I am talking about art, and even still, the first machines were a lever, wedge, pulley, etc. They weren't complex. The first art that we know of are crude depictions of stick figures. But yet, we know that a lot of thinking and work had to be done to create these simple machines.



It has already been stated THE TERMINOLOGY IS TO FACILITATE LEARNING. Idiot.

For somebody who wanted a discussion, you sure are closed-minded. I argued that an unnecessarily complex language is a hindrance to learning, not a facilitator, and you haven't really given the board anything solid in your defense.

You're a fucking moron. I wasn't referencing the book "Venusian Arts" I was referencing the ART OF THE VENUSIAN called.........*DRUM ROLL* THE VENUSIAN ARTS! You know...that planet women come from? Now be gone you faggot, I'm done with you.

The only reason I thought you meant the book was because you said my argument was based on Venusian Arts. Which doesn't make any sense. Of course it is. That's what the topic of "discussion" is.

And we'll see if you're done with me, because I'll bet you're gonna have a pretty big urge to call me some more names in order to validate your existence. If you're so sure you're right, can't you maybe write why you think so? It's tough to exchange ideas when there's no give with the take.

A good day to you, sir. Friend, if I may go so far. Which I doubt I can.

No, I am calling you a retard. Especially since you think I'm your friend.
You forget bigmoney,CARBONB HAS NO FRIENDS!
ohhh he burned you there didn't he? *rollseyes*

Yes, in essence this is what sarging is about.

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I don't get it. You don't need to read a book about it.
This is for random girls not at bar/club/party if you can't get pussy there i don't know what to tell you.


1. initiate in conversation
2. Develop comfort, joke a bit
3. Go for coffee
4. Get numbers
5. Take out to a date
6. Get more intimate and make a move.
7. Get laid.
8. ?????
9. Profit.

CarbonB is so stupid.

Whenever I read these PUA threads I think this. It seems like the lamest way in the world to pick up chicks. Also sounds like they are playing dungeons and dragons or some shite.

Hahah, this expresses what I believe.