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My God Can Beat the Shit Out of Your God For discussing any and all religious viewpoints. Intolerance will not be tolerated. Keeping your sense of humor is required. Posting messages about theological paradoxes is encouraged.

 
 
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Old 2008-06-02, 21:45
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Question A question for Christians.

So I just thought of something, and it would be quite interesting to run it by a couple of you.

Why is there currently a major crisis regarding global warming? The way I see it, if God made the world, then it would be perfect according to the bible, right? So why is it vulnerable when it comes to global warming?

Surely an all knowing God would be able to predict the effect of creating intelligent life on a planet with as many natural resources as ours? Surely it was only a matter of time until something like this happened? So why would God willingly create something that would eventually unwravel?

Because unless I am ignoring something blatant (Which I tend to do from time to time), it seems to me that global warming is evidence God doesn't exist.
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Old 2008-06-03, 01:12
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In the Bible - Noah and the flood.

That wasn't perfect, but it was a part of his plan.

Killed a shitload of people too.
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Old 2008-06-03, 17:46
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OK, I'm not a christian, so I can recognise the weaknesses in this argument, but I presume they would use the free will defence here. That is to say - "god gave us free will, so it is our fault we fucked up"

Yeah, its rubbish isnt it. I mean, technically your argument doesnt prove anything, because god (if he exists) probably knows better than you. However, I do think it adds an extra dimension of complexity, and therefore is a less satisfactory answer than the lack of a god, or an omnipotent, omniscient one anyway (although, using logic, we can see that these are incompatible...)
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Old 2008-06-03, 21:06
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I thought that the free will argument would come up, but I would have thought that a God would know that giving man free will, especially in our case (Everyone having a different opinion), would ultimately end in us killing eachother.

If God is our father, and we are his children, why would he just watch as we kill each other?
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Old 2008-06-03, 21:09
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I'm not really a christian, but my dads a pastor, and i know some about the bible. According to the bible, God made a perfect Earth, the Garden of Eden. Sin ruined that world, so now we got global warming.

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Old 2008-06-03, 23:03
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If God is our father, and we are his children, why would he just watch as we kill each other?
Shits and giggles?
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Old 2008-06-04, 06:10
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We have a greater capacity for love than we do for destruction.

Those with the greatest talent for engineering construct vehicles they know are going to be taken into battle against each other. I'm sure they'd prefer their enginuity was used for more noble purposes.
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Old 2008-06-04, 06:16
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First of all, global warming is a farce. It was made up by the liberals and those fucking activists.....and Al Gore. Global warming is just a natural climatic change in the earth's climate. It wouldn't matter if everyone in the whole world stopped driving cars.
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Old 2008-06-04, 09:01
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First of all, global warming is a farce. It was made up by the liberals and those fucking activists.....and Al Gore. Global warming is just a natural climatic change in the earth's climate. It wouldn't matter if everyone in the whole world stopped driving cars.


True, but we are still going to be fucked over by it. Just because it's natural doesn't mean we can survive an ice age. However, it's not going to affect us any time soon, so who gives a shit?
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Old 2008-06-04, 15:30
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Global warming is just a natural climatic change in the earth's climate. It wouldn't matter if everyone in the whole world stopped driving cars.


No. The that the Earth is getting warmer (i.e. Global Warming) is a fact. We can measure the average temperature in the past years, and it's increasing.

What's people debate is how much humans are causing this. That there is "natural climatic change in the earth's climate" does not refute anything.

There is a natural cycle, sure bu the point - and the vast majority of scientists agree - is that we can accelerate and worsen that cycle by the pollution we give out.
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Old 2008-06-04, 17:09
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Hm.

For the sake of the thread, let's assume that it is going to happen. I don't want this to turn into a debate about global warming.
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Old 2008-06-04, 18:11
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Well it is happening, given that our temperature measurements show a clear trend of increasing temperatures.

But fine, on topic: Christians can say that sin corrupted the perfect Earth and thus we see terrible things in it. You can then question why would a benevolent god do this and this becomes the old argument from evil.
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Old 2008-06-05, 04:54
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Well it is happening, given that our temperature measurements show a clear trend of increasing temperatures.

Yeah, it's real, but the majority of the greenhouse effect is caused by water vapour. What are we supposed to do about that?
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Old 2008-06-05, 12:32
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I don't want to be blamed for de-railing the thread further, but there are reasons why water vapor is much more benign than CO2.
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Old 2008-06-05, 15:18
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I don't even know if I should respond to the OP. I'm seriously sitting here in awe at his reasoning: Environs can be influenced thus God doesn't exist?
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Old 2008-06-05, 18:45
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Don't play (be) dumb. It's the argument from evil. The "evil" here is all the bad that could come from drastic environmental change.

The argument from evil is a perfectly reasonable argument to make.
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Old 2008-06-05, 20:18
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I don't even know if I should respond to the OP. I'm seriously sitting here in awe at his reasoning: Environs can be influenced thus God doesn't exist?
Unless you missed the entire point on purpose, I'm confused about your response. The point was, why would a creator sit back and do fuck all while a world is slowly dying? It's like if you had a child who had an illness that would end up claiming his life unless you acted, would you not act?

You could argue that through God thousands of people are trying to prevent it by cutting down on carbon emissions and whatnot, but a problem of this scale requires a grand gesture, in my opinion. Because clearly, it's not really working.
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Old 2008-06-06, 03:45
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I don't want to be blamed for de-railing the thread further, but there are reasons why water vapor is much more benign than CO2.


Yes, but there's a hell of a lot more of it in our atmosphere. Either way, as long as global warming doesn't kill us all within my lifetime, I don't care about it.
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Old 2008-06-06, 04:07
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Yet water vapor comes down as rain, CO2 does not (at least not in the same amounts water vapor does), not to mention that we don't have much control on water vapor. We do have control over many CO2 sources. Saying "there's a lot of water vapor, so fuck it" is ridiculous.
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Old 2008-06-06, 07:31
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Yet water vapor comes down as rain, CO2 does not (at least not in the same amounts water vapor does), not to mention that we don't have much control on water vapor. We do have control over many CO2 sources. Saying "there's a lot of water vapor, so fuck it" is ridiculous.


I would be saying "fuck it" regardless of what chemical was causing the effect.
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Old 2008-06-06, 16:58
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Even worse.
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Old 2008-06-13, 02:08
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Yes, but there's a hell of a lot more of it in our atmosphere. Either way, as long as global warming doesn't kill us all within my lifetime, I don't care about it.

Selfish bastard. Don't plan on having any kids eh?
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Old 2008-06-13, 02:10
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Selfish bastard. Don't plan on having any kids eh?

I don't know. If I ever have a kid I'm sure it'll become more important to me.
 


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