I don't know if this is the right place to make this but I'd assume there are dealers that browse BLTC or people who know their shit in regards to this question. Google has failed me so I'm looking for a straight forward answer from someone that knows the Canadian law concerning this matter

I was told by someone I met that the local dealers use rented cars because they cannot be searched by police (and for another obvious reason that I'm positive is factual). I personally don't believe it. Can't police search any vehicle on reasonable suspicion?

Note: I am NOT a drug dealer. I'm simply just asking this question out of curiosity.

Not sure in Canada, but in the US it goes a little something like this. The Roads are government property (funny how taxes pay for the roads, but...) therefore anything driving on them is public property and can be searched. Word of advice. Don't be a dumbass while driving. Use turn signals (make sure they work), follow speed limits, stay in the lines, wear your seat belt. You can't be pulled over just for the hell of it.

um... no.

police officers need "probable cause" to search a car.

um... no.

police officers need "probable cause" to search a car.
That's what he meant, as long as you are in any jurisdiction, you are subject to their probable cause. The only way to avoid this is to move to a different country, or to a place with no government.


He is a friend of mine in real life. I wouldn't associate with someone stupid. You just misunderstood what he was trying to say.

That's what he meant, as long as you are in any jurisdiction, you are subject to their probable cause. The only way to avoid this is to move to a different country, or to a place with no government.


He is a friend of mine in real life. I wouldn't associate with someone stupid. You just misunderstood what he was trying to say.


I don't think that's what hew meant since it doesn't matter if it's a public funded road, a private toll road or even a private driveway. Either way probable cause is needed to search the car without permission. Of course they can tow the car and go for a search warrant.

But it doesn't matter at all if it's a rental car or not. It's the same as if you're borrowing a friend's car, get stopped, and cops find drugs that are not yours and may not even know about. The car is in your control and you are responsible for everything in it.

I don't think that's what hew meant since it doesn't matter if it's a public funded road, a private toll road or even a private driveway. Either way probable cause is needed to search the car without permission. Of course they can tow the car and go for a search warrant.

But it doesn't matter at all if it's a rental car or not. It's the same as if you're borrowing a friend's car, get stopped, and cops find drugs that are not yours and may not even know about. The car is in your control and you are responsible for everything in it.
He is saying ALL roads are government property, as well as everything else, because it is in whatever jurisdiction.


He just worded it really badly.

Let's say a person has an assortment of drugs concealed in their car. A cop pulls this person over and smells a faint scent of weed lingering from the interior of the vehicle. Can the automobile be legally searched by the police officer without hesitation or does he have to contact the rental agency before committing the search; making for a time consuming hassle?

He doesn't have to wait. Like meta said, it doesn't matter whos car it is. If they suspect a crime, they have probable cause, period.

But it doesn't matter at all if it's a rental car or not. It's the same as if you're borrowing a friend's car, get stopped, and cops find drugs that are not yours and may not even know about. The car is in your control and you are responsible for everything in it.

Do you think you'd be able to have a strong case in court in saying that the drugs were hidden in the rental car without your knowledge?

Do you think you'd be able to have a strong case in court in saying that the drugs were hidden in the rental car without your knowledge?
The moment you tried to say they weren't yours, the cops would most likely fingerprint the bag and link it to you, and barring that, you would still have a flimsy ass case, rental companies throughly clean the cars after each use, and go over them with a fine tooth comb. Unless you put the shit inside the gas tank the rental agency would have found it, making you a liar.

Surely if you took the time to hollow out a compartment or stash your shit in a place that's overlooked by the rental agency you'd have the smarts to wear gloves and leave no prints on the bags.

Thank you for the replies, gentlemen. You've answered my question.

if you get caught in a rented car your more fucked than if your caught in your own car. just some food for thought.

No the reason they do that is usually because they need lots of cars and cell phones for their workers...and you would be suprised how many crooked fuckers own car dealerships. Really suprised. Oh, and usually you can find someone at T-mobile shops to get you a ghost phone.

And the cops can and do search them in Canada. If your in a high crime area they don't really need much more probable cause. Don't drive with a hat on. Dress in 'working clothes' too just semi grubby average joe clothes so you look like you work for a living.

EDIT: Rented cars are more average looking too, not some flashy car or a beater. And keep everything in the trunk.

I think it would be safer. I mean, if you get pulled over in your own car and police find a hidden stash of drugs, you're up shits creek without a paddle. But if you hollow out a compartment in a rented car and they manage to find the contraband you could at least have a good argument in court provided you have a good lawyer. They'd have no evidence to prove that you were the one that placed the drugs there as the number of people that have used that same vehicle could well exceed over a hundred.

Maybe my logic is a bit off or I'm missing something.

The rental company goes over them with a fine tooth comb and would find anything you could install. They are inspected to prevent people getting bright ideas like yours, as well as several other reasons.


You go to court, say you had no clue it was there, car company comes in and says NO, we inspected that shit and it was fine, that shit was NOT there when we gave you the car, and you are fucked.

He doesn't have to wait. Like meta said, it doesn't matter whos car it is. If they suspect a crime, they have probable cause, period.

Stupid noob, you're a pretty smart guy, but I guess when it comes down to law, you're a little lost.

Just because a cop may suspect a crime, it doesn't give them probable cause. They have to have SOME type of evidence to perform a search. Evidence gives cops probable cause.

Evidence could be them seeing a roach, or some bud in the car when they walk up, or evidence is the dog that smells the drugs, etc.

Also, in most jurisdictions, the officer can't even search if he smells weed. He has to be trained in smelling weed to conduct a search because of the stench.

If all it took for cops to search your car was a little suspicion, than that'd be just like randomly pulling over cars and searching.

Just don't allow searches regardless.

Well it is only logical to assume that suspicion would be assumed after evidence had been seen. Cmon man, I JUST mentioned probable cause right above, so how can you think I don't know what it is? How the fuck could they suspect a crime with no evidence to begin with? Use your fucking brain man. You seem like a pretty smart guy too, but when it comes to logic, you are a little lost.

Well even if it were true ( I don't know if it is or not ) why would you waste money renting a car all the time so you could make it back selling the drugs? it just seems stupid..

The point is that "evidence in law" is different from "evidence".

You americans have it easy.

Down here they can pull anyone over under the guise of a "random breath test" and a search is entirely up to the officers mood.

if im not mistaken, in the US, MOST police ask for permission to search your car, if they do not have probable cause. However, if you deny their permission, a drug dog WILL be called, and the dog WILL search the perimiter of the vehicle.
If drugs are found, aside from the legal trouble youll find yourself in, they WILL seize the vehicle, whether it belongs to you or not, and it costs thousands to get it out of impound from a drug charge...if its your car. If its not, (be it a rental, a friends car, whatever)the owner of the car is responsible for all towing fees, & impound charges. NO rental company is going to get their car from impound, when they have legal documentation saying that it is your responsibility....so, youll be paying for a rental car, that you no longer have, and you wont be able to get it...even though youll pay for it in its entireity. any illegal activity by you, null & voids the contract with the rental company. my opinion? buy a junk car for a few hundred bucks, fix it so it runs good, and use that..wont draw much attention by being a newer car, and not much of a loss if you do get popped...plus, its your car..you can do whatever you like, in terms of stash boxes, hiding spots, etc...

This man knows the score. Well said.

The moment you tried to say they weren't yours, the cops would most likely fingerprint the bag and link it to you, and barring that, you would still have a flimsy ass case, rental companies throughly clean the cars after each use, and go over them with a fine tooth comb. Unless you put the shit inside the gas tank the rental agency would have found it, making you a liar.

Haha you dumb fuck fingerprints are only used in murder/rape and private cases.

Haha you dumb fuck fingerprints are only used in murder/rape and private cases.


Bullshit.

Okay fucktards who obviously don't know US Law. You're car is private property. Think of it as a house on wheels. The police need probably cause to search your car. Or they would need a warrant. If they see a bag of weed in your front seat they can search your car and arrest you. If they smell weed after pulling you over for running a stop sign they can't do shit. They can ask for permission to search your car, but that's it. Yes you can deny them a search. In all cases deny searches even if they say they don't need your permission. Even when they say they will get a drug dog tell them to piss off until they have a warrant.

Pro's of rental cars: If you stash it somewhere complicated there is a slight possibility that you can say you didn't know it was there. It all depends on your record and if the court believes in that whole 'beyond reasonable doubt' line.

Con's: It's not your car, I don't know much about the situation but maybe the officer could call the rental company and get permission to search the car by them since they own it. At which point you are fucked.

Pro's of your own car: Cops need a fucking warrant if you actually stashed your shit well.

Con's of your own car: There is no denying it is your shit. They will take your car away.

Well presumably because the money made from selling the drugs would be more than the hire of the car...

Haha you dumb fuck fingerprints are only used in murder/rape and private cases.


Wow!

You really are an idiot, aren't you?

Haha you dumb fuck fingerprints are only used in murder/rape and private cases.

A few months ago, I was at work (restaurant) and I walked out back to smoke, and I saw my boss' car, which was parked close to the door, being inspected by a cop. I walked around the car to get a better look, and I saw shattered glass in the passenger window. Someone stole some shit... and as I smoked my cigarette, I watched him dust parts of the door and shit.

umm, yea...all of that looks good on paper, telling the cops to piss off and such, but, as someone that has been in the situation of search & seizure several times, it sounds to me that, though you MIGHT know what SOME of the laws are, you OBVIOUSLY dont have a clue when it comes to dealing with the police...either that or you come from a small town, where the police actually abide by the book.
If you were to tell the cops to piss off in my neck of the woods, you would be handcuffed, get your ass kicked, and on top of that, they WOULD find drugs in your car, whether you had any or not. Its a fucked up world we live in, and not everything happens the way that its supposed to. think Im full of shit? SW Detroit, come on by and have a bite of my reality.

written US laws, are much different than applied US laws...


probable cause can be looking like a teenager in a bad neighborhood. thats it. you spoke abnormally? oh shit, probable cause! you say no? we bring the pooch! they don't need a warrent if there is probable cause, which has such a loose definition that its bullshit to even bank on, unless your car is parked in your driveway and your not in it when mr bacon shows up..


we american's don't have it easy, not only can we get "breath tested" at random, but now the collect all of seatbelt checks means you can and may find yourself getting pulled over and searched for no apparent reason [well maybe not if you were wearing your seatbelt].

Had a idea hire a driver some one to drive you around when the pigs pull you over he is driveing so there for he is resposable for evrything in the car right? care costody and control

Considering you wrote...

He doesn't have to wait. Like meta said, it doesn't matter whos car it is. If they suspect a crime, they have probable cause, period.

There's nothing to do with logic here. And just because you mention probable cause, doesn't mean you know anything about it.

You plainly stated that if they SUSPECT a crime they have probable cause. Suspecting a crime and having evidence related to a crime are completely different in establishing probable cause. Suspicion only gives officers the right to stop and detain momentarily, to ask questions, nothing more. Now, if they establish probable cause while talking with you, than they can search. But to establish probable cause they have to have some HARD evidence, although it doesn't have to be much (IE roach in ash tray), it does have to be actual evidence.

When it comes to law, definitions, and logic, YOU are the one lost.


I'm in my 3rd year of a BA in Political science, I'm assuming based off of that and all my other research I'm a little more knowledgeable on this subject than you, especially considering I've been studying for the LSAT and am taking it in aprox 6 months.

The only LEGAL way the cop is going to search without a warrant is either A) a dog

or

B) They'll arrest you for a minor traffic violation and than search your car completely. (Atwater v city of largo vista 2001) (Whren v United States 1996)

Way to misunderstand shit.

Optionryder knows his shit. He doesn't even have to mention he's going to school for this shit, you can just google it.

umm, yea...all of that looks good on paper, telling the cops to piss off and such, but, as someone that has been in the situation of search & seizure several times, it sounds to me that, though you MIGHT know what SOME of the laws are, you OBVIOUSLY dont have a clue when it comes to dealing with the police...either that or you come from a small town, where the police actually abide by the book.
If you were to tell the cops to piss off in my neck of the woods, you would be handcuffed, get your ass kicked, and on top of that, they WOULD find drugs in your car, whether you had any or not. Its a fucked up world we live in, and not everything happens the way that its supposed to. think Im full of shit? SW Detroit, come on by and have a bite of my reality.

Well you sound like the kind of guy thats asking to be fucked with. Here are 10 reason I've never gotten pwned by the police while you have.

1. I'm not white trash.
2. I have a lawyer I talk to about this shit instead of other white trash people that get pwned by the police.
2. I know how to avoid getting pulled over.
3. I'm not a bitch when it comes to dealing with police.
4. I'm not stupid when it comes to dealing with policed.
5. I call my voice mail and put the phone on speaker as soon as the cop walks up to my window.
6. I act natural, not to provoke him.
7. If he acts like he wants to fuck with me I ask to speak to a lawyer. This helps soooooo much later in court.
8. I have an awesome lawyer.
9. In the event I get arrested for a crime I didn't commit, I'll win a shit ton of money and get the officer fired because my lawyer is awesome.
10. In the event I do get arrested for doing something bad, my lawyer can minimize or even eliminate the punishment for said crimes.

Facts of life kids: behind every great man is an awesome attorney. Cops are not your friend. Cops are not stupid. They will fuck with you if they think they can. The most they can do is arrest you and give you a bad day. If you cover your bases, your awesome as fuck lawyer will get you out of any bullshit trouble they threaten you with and possibly put some money in your pocket for police harassment. BTW cops don't decide if you are guilty, they just collect evidence and make arrests. Judges and Juries decide verdicts and sentencing.

Haha you dumb fuck fingerprints are only used in murder/rape and private cases.

man, I had respect for you.

But you are just dumb.

You really don't need to be dealing out of your car.... and if you are, probably a good idea to not carry a large stash on you.

Optionryder knows his shit. He doesn't even have to mention he's going to school for this shit, you can just google it.



Well you sound like the kind of guy thats asking to be fucked with. Here are 10 reason I've never gotten pwned by the police while you have.

1. I'm not white trash.
2. I have a lawyer I talk to about this shit instead of other white trash people that get pwned by the police.
2. I know how to avoid getting pulled over.
3. I'm not a bitch when it comes to dealing with police.
4. I'm not stupid when it comes to dealing with policed.
5. I call my voice mail and put the phone on speaker as soon as the cop walks up to my window.
6. I act natural, not to provoke him.
7. If he acts like he wants to fuck with me I ask to speak to a lawyer. This helps soooooo much later in court.
8. I have an awesome lawyer.
9. In the event I get arrested for a crime I didn't commit, I'll win a shit ton of money and get the officer fired because my lawyer is awesome.
10. In the event I do get arrested for doing something bad, my lawyer can minimize or even eliminate the punishment for said crimes.

Facts of life kids: behind every great man is an awesome attorney. Cops are not your friend. Cops are not stupid. They will fuck with you if they think they can. The most they can do is arrest you and give you a bad day. If you cover your bases, your awesome as fuck lawyer will get you out of any bullshit trouble they threaten you with and possibly put some money in your pocket for police harassment. BTW cops don't decide if you are guilty, they just collect evidence and make arrests. Judges and Juries decide verdicts and sentencing.

dont act all high and mighty...do you honestly think that anyone thats ever been fucked with by the cops is white trash/ nigger scum? it happens to the best of us...and you think you can trust a lawyer? what a fucking joke. lawyers dont give a damn about anything but your money....maybe you have the cash to be able to get out of any bad situation you find yourself in, or maybe your rich daddy bails you out of every one of your little sins.not all of us is in a position to just throw money at a lawyer everytime trouble occurs.some of us have bills to pay, and sometimes shit happens, no matter how careful you are. trust me, im far from stupid, but this game is built on deceit and lies, and fucking people over. No matter how smooth you run your game, someone else is always out there, trying to get over on you. Im not trying to shit on what youre saying...if I had those kind of resources, id probably get an attorney and get out of the charges my damn self. but I have a mortgage, a car payment, and a family to take care of...id rather do a bit of time than let my family go hungry. My point is, dont make assumptions about people you know nothing about. Im not a kid, Im not stupid, and I know how to deal with people, and the law. Police are different everywhere you go...they just so happen to be crooked assholes where I live.

rereading your post leads me to believe that all of your experience with cops is from books or movies...if youve never been busted, what the fuck do you need an attorney for? are you leading us to believe that your so "plugged in" to the underground networks, that you just have a lawyer at your disposal? I call bullshit on your logic. Not all police abide by these laws that you have so much faith in.
Like I said in an earlier post, come to my town, and try and put your phone on speaker while being questioned, youll get your ass handed to you by these militant assholes.

Considering you wrote...



There's nothing to do with logic here. And just because you mention probable cause, doesn't mean you know anything about it.

You plainly stated that if they SUSPECT a crime they have probable cause. Suspecting a crime and having evidence related to a crime are completely different in establishing probable cause. Suspicion only gives officers the right to stop and detain momentarily, to ask questions, nothing more. Now, if they establish probable cause while talking with you, than they can search. But to establish probable cause they have to have some HARD evidence, although it doesn't have to be much (IE roach in ash tray), it does have to be actual evidence.

When it comes to law, definitions, and logic, YOU are the one lost.


I'm in my 3rd year of a BA in Political science, I'm assuming based off of that and all my other research I'm a little more knowledgeable on this subject than you, especially considering I've been studying for the LSAT and am taking it in aprox 6 months.

The only LEGAL way the cop is going to search without a warrant is either A) a dog

or

B) They'll arrest you for a minor traffic violation and than search your car completely. (Atwater v city of largo vista 2001) (Whren v United States 1996)


Things dont always work out the way that youre being taught...i respect your responses, you know your shit...but the way the books are written, and the way that they apply to real life are 2 totally different things.

Things dont always work out the way that youre being taught...i respect your responses, you know your shit...but the way the books are written, and the way that they apply to real life are 2 totally different things.

You're just pissed off because you don't know shit about the law or how to handle police and you got your ass handed to you because of your stupidity. Yes I've been pulled over (who the fuck hasn't) and yes every time I refuse a search they threaten to get a dog on me. But guess what, unlike in all the rap movies you see, drug dogs don't fucking grow on trees, and the trainer rarely feels like dropping whatever they're doing (probably more important) to search somebodies car. If I got my phone on (poor mans camera) and I think he's going to do something stupid, all I have to do is provoke him to say something incriminating. It would be rare a cop doesn't go on a head trip and say he's tearing your car apart because he's god. Then if they actually do something illegal, you don't need money for a lawyer cuz you got yourself a possible million dollar case, giant news story, and possibly a book deal if the cops are known to be corrupt.

Also, you must look like a bitch to have a cop think he can plant drugs in your car and you won't do shit about it.

guess what bitch boy, in detroit, they have several drug dogs on hand, and they do call them, @ drop of a hat. like i thought, you must live in some bumpkin ass town, where there are 3 cops per county. the worlds a big place son...you need to get out more. and boy oh boy, do you ever sound tough behind your keyboard. You think I look like a bitch? post your pic , and ill do the same..i know several people from bltc that know me in real life, that can vouch that im no bitch...whos going to vouch for you, your lawyer? your rich daddy? grow up a few years, get some notches in your belt, and then come talk to me again. christ, resorting to insulting me online? what are you, like 17? grow up.

seriously, you watch too many movies...you have no clue what life is about...i pray to god you learn about life without having to go through the hardships that ive faced.

and FYI, ive never consented to a search, and yet my car has been searched anyways. Like i said in an earlier post, not all police go by the book.
when I brought up that I didnt consent to a search in court, they lied and said I did consent...youll never guess who the courts believed.
stop being an asshole. if you want to debate something im saying, go right ahead, but resorting to name calling and assumptions makes you seem foolish.

You're just pissed off because you don't know shit about the law or how to handle police and you got your ass handed to you because of your stupidity. Yes I've been pulled over (who the fuck hasn't) and yes every time I refuse a search they threaten to get a dog on me. But guess what, unlike in all the rap movies you see, drug dogs don't fucking grow on trees, and the trainer rarely feels like dropping whatever they're doing (probably more important) to search somebodies car. If I got my phone on (poor mans camera) and I think he's going to do something stupid, all I have to do is provoke him to say something incriminating. It would be rare a cop doesn't go on a head trip and say he's tearing your car apart because he's god. Then if they actually do something illegal, you don't need money for a lawyer cuz you got yourself a possible million dollar case, giant news story, and possibly a book deal if the cops are known to be corrupt.

Also, you must look like a bitch to have a cop think he can plant drugs in your car and you won't do shit about it.

and if i came across as "pissed off" youre mistaken. I dont get mad over petty arguments online..so you can keep getting yourself all worked up over this shit, but ill sleep soundly tonite, because i know im correct in my circumstances.

um... no.

police officers need "probable cause" to search a car.

Actually in many, well most, places it has been downgraded to reasonable suspicion. Big legal difference.

You've obviously never had a decent attorney or read a fucking law book in your life. Again, if cops know you're stupid then they are going to fuck with you. You are stupid and don't know the law or how to handle police. That is why you have been to jail and I have not. Plus I'm prolly 10time harder than you ever will be son.

Wow a lot of really dumb and plain untrue shit has been said in this thread. So, a few things:

Citizens do NOT have the same or even nearly the same right to privacy in their car as in their home. The only way an officer can legally search a person's home is if they obtain a warrant from a court. In your vehicle, any officer can legally perform a search (with your permission) if he has probable cause to search the vehicle. In order for probable cause to be established there must exist "specific and articulable facts that support support suspicion" you have been involved in criminal activity. In principal, these facts should apply to only a narrow range of behaviors, but in practice, they encompass quiet a lot.

Of course, you can deny the search, even if the officer has probable cause. Whether or not a canine unit is called really depends on the specific police force you are dealing with. Obviously, in a high crime area if you are pulled over for suspicious activity and you deny a search they're probably going to call the dogs, but if you are dealing with a smaller force with less resources it's not really worth their time.

And as was previously said, the application of US laws, especially in regard to individual rights, are often very different from the principles they were created from. I had an officer search my vehicle (without permission) after he detained me simply for driving away from a head shop. I had committed no traffic violations, my registration and license checked out, and whenever I asked specifically why I had been pulled over he avoided the question. The way the laws are written and the way things actually go down when some cop is staring you down are totally different.

Of course, if the officer blatantly breaks the law you can likely get any evidence against you suppressed and you'll probably get off clean but just having to deal with all that is a huge hassle. Just be smart, know your rights, and understand that NOT PROTESTING an officer's attempts to search your car, even if he never directly asked you can be considered consent.

One last thing, this isn't as relevant, but seriously don't drive like a fucking idiot when you have drugs in your car. I'd say at least four out of five people I know who have been busted on the road originally got pulled over for minor traffic violations, problems with the car, etc. Just maintain your car and drive the speed limit, it's really not that hard and it'll really save your ass in the long run.

again son, youre book smart, not street smart...huge difference when applied to life. someday youll see. post a pic, or come to michigan and visit. you can stay with my family. again, trying to sound tough behind a keyboard...when will you learn, it dosent sound tough, noone thinks you sound tough...find someone in this thread aside from the law student, that disagrees with me. do you honestly think that youre right, and EVERYONE else is wrong? seriously....

lol, and, mr book smart, "prolly" isnt a word. and my only desire to be "hard" is when Im fucking my girlfriend. I dont worry about fighting with people so much, because people dont fuck with me.

enlighten me, what exactly did you need a lawyer for? you said youve been pulled over a time or 2, and handled it like you said, what was the lawyer for?
what does your "super attorney" do for you, if youre too "untouchable" and smart, for the cops to even get close?

If there was a way for us too physically fight, then id see your reason in trying to sound tough, but there isnt, so push all the tough guy talk aside.

Things dont always work out the way that youre being taught...i respect your responses, you know your shit...but the way the books are written, and the way that they apply to real life are 2 totally different things.

I saw your location, and I'd have to agree with you there. Detroit and many other larger metropolitan areas are known for having dirty fucking pigs.

And also like you said, you may not have the money for an attorney. I, fortunately, have pretty wealthy parents whom have actually asked on an occasion if I was going to need them to pay for a lawyer for me (Friend was in trouble, cops came over to ask questions, parents got worried).

But still, you should be prepared for what you have to face on a daily basis. Know your rights still, because even though it may not save you, there's still the possibility that it will.

I think if a cop ever does me dirty like that, that's going to be the breaking point for me... This country is really starting to piss me off, especially the stupid redneck ass police.

Fuckin hate cops.

again son, youre book smart, not street smart...huge difference when applied to life.
Says who? Some dumbfuck white trash?

psomeday youll see. post a pic, or come to michigan and visit. you can stay with my family. again, trying to sound tough behind a keyboard...when will you learn, it dosent sound tough, noone thinks you sound tough...
Says the guy who tries to act hard on some piss ant internet forum. I can guarantee you Detroit doesn't have a monopoly on corrupt cops. I can also guarantee you that a lot of those country bumpkin cops you think are so clean do whatever the fuck they want in their town. You piss em off and you might not make it home for a long, long time. They don't have internal affairs out in the woods boy. I get a lot of advice on how to deal with police (other than just time spent talking to my lawyer) from a guy who has been in a very bad situation. He was a punk when he was younger and 2 cops just had it out for him as soon as he turned 18. He recorded a couple of his encounters with them and gave it to a lawyer who got his record cleaned, car restored, and a huge ass settlement that paid for his college tuition. The cops got fired and barely got out of a jail sentence for the shit they did to him. Guess what he decided he wanted to go to school for? That's right, to become a lawyer. He's the one I originally got the voice mail idea from. It worked for him so it will work for me. I first started talking to an attorney when I had a very serious wreck when I was younger. He took very good care of me and I came out without any problems or stress. They know how to deal with insurance companies and court rooms and police. He explained in a pretty short conversation exactly how to handle police once you are pulled over and more importantly, how to avoid them.

find someone in this thread aside from the law student, that disagrees with me. do you honestly think that youre right, and EVERYONE else is wrong? seriously....

Most people are dumb fucks who don't know the law. I think I'm going to listen to a lawyer or maybe read a book on my states laws before I listen to some dumb, gutter trash with third hand knowledge of how they think the system works based on what someone saw on BET once. If you have a question, look it up or call a lawyer. It isn't difficult to find a lawyer that gives free legal advice or to find a law student who can tell you your rights. The system preys on ignorance. You are ignorant. You are the next meal. You see, in the event I get pulled over I will know exactly what to do. If the cop decides to cross the line and I end up in court because of it, my lawyer will tear him a new asshole. You don't seem to fucking understand that what happens in court is all that really matters. The court decides what happens to you. The court decides what happened the day you got arrested. The more you do and record on the scene of you playing the game right, the more your lawyer has to work with, and the higher you chances of coming out on top are.

arguing with an idiot just brings me to their level...i feel dumber having replied to you at all..youre hopeless, and youre what is wrong with this country. you believe everything you read, and what you are told is the truth. I learn from experience.
the difference between us is, 10 years from now, youre going to sit back and wonder what happened, why everything you thought to be true is a lie, and I already know...all adults get this realization sooner or later....so I will progressively grow, and you will sit stagnant in your own ignorance. never once in any of my posts did I try to act like a hardass, like you did.
the truth of the matter is, if you saw me in person, yould ignore me, because youre a pussy..a pussy to have an opinion of your own, and a pussy to confront the truth.
good luck in your life, i pray it all works out for you....reach for the stars son, be all you can be...youre in the land of the free, the good ol U S of A...

I saw your location, and I'd have to agree with you there. Detroit and many other larger metropolitan areas are known for having dirty fucking pigs.

And also like you said, you may not have the money for an attorney. I, fortunately, have pretty wealthy parents whom have actually asked on an occasion if I was going to need them to pay for a lawyer for me (Friend was in trouble, cops came over to ask questions, parents got worried).

But still, you should be prepared for what you have to face on a daily basis. Know your rights still, because even though it may not save you, there's still the possibility that it will.

I think if a cop ever does me dirty like that, that's going to be the breaking point for me... This country is really starting to piss me off, especially the stupid redneck ass police.

Fuckin hate cops.

thanks for the respectable response...and im not even saying that all cops are dirty, but most that i have encountered, do not abide by the book. Detroit is a huge city...even the suburbs have several drug dogs at their disposal, and being so close to the canadian border, everyone is under suspicion. dearborn police, (detroit suburb) searched my moms car, claiming to smell weed...she denied permission, he searched anyway. of course it was thrown out of court, for illegal search, but do you think she got reimbursment for them tearing apart her car...removing panels, speakers? my mom is in her 60s, and never smoked weed in her life..she now fears police, and avoids driving whenever possible...redjoker believes that, since i dont agree with him, that i am white trash, and stupid. i guess thats a fair assumption from someone, who, other than this stupid thread, has never spoke to me, and knows absolutely nothing about me.
this country is a joke, and all the dreams we have been made to believe about it are a joke. europe, here i come...anyway, good luck to you, we need open minded people like you in the system, maybe, with your help, we can get this country back on the right track.

my family grew up poor, and it took alot for me to get out of the environment that would for certain set me back. I have a decent job, I make enough money to support my family, and still save. sure i have my vices, and I do what i have to do to survive, but Ive learned from my mistakes. By telling others about them, i hope to help peole not have to go through what I did, but there are always some know it alls, that think theyre smarter than everyone else(not talking bout you), that are so closed minded to others EXPERIENCE, that they feel the need to talk down to people, like theyre stupid. I pity their ignorance.

faggotry and nonsense
You sound like a complete moron. You had so many contradictions in that response it wasn't even funny. And it's dumb white trash like you that is bringing this country down, not me.

maybe you would be less likely to be pulled over because you're a nerdy white kid in a shiny new [stock] 4-door sedan.

They always tryin to catch me ridin nerdy