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Old 2008-05-20, 07:54
Banana_milk Banana_milk is offline
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Ok, recently I've been under a lot of stress and I've been having a lot of trouble sleeping. Now my boyfriends mother gave me some xanex to sleep and help calm me down. And the dose isn't helping me at all. So what I was wondering is can anyone suggest some good prescribed sleeping medications for me to try and get out of the doctor, while also trying to get some anti-anxiety medications as well. I'm looking to feel good but also to seriously get me some help too. I tried erowid but I'm not really into sleeping meds to much and figured I could get the most help here.
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Old 2008-05-20, 07:58
geezus666 geezus666 is offline
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melatonin works wonders for me, and there is no risk(@ least that I know of) of Overdosing. Ive personally taken 30 mgs before with the only side effect being that I slept for 12 hours and woke a bit groggy.
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Old 2008-05-20, 09:07
XiLeF XiLeF is offline
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Valium AKA Diazepam...Benzos are great for sleep and combines well with other things
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Old 2008-05-20, 09:36
happyonehitter happyonehitter is offline
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Melatonin+benadryl is really good. I used to take around 3mgs of xanax a night to help me get to sleep but once I stopped taking benzos, 6mgs of melatonin, 50mgs diphenhydramine and a couple of shots of gin would put me out every time.
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Old 2008-05-20, 09:56
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I am a chronic insomniac and generally can't sleep until I have een awake for 20++ hours.

I've gotten into the habit of taking 12mg of melatonin whenever I want to sleep.

Melatonin is much better for you than other drugs, has no bad side effects, and if you overdose; the worst I've ever heard of is having a shitty nights sleep and feeling of a hangover the next morning.

The best part is it feels like you are naturally tired, and not thrown headlong into a medically induced coma. It won't knock you unconcious while you are standing or running a marathon, but instead of laying awake for hours, when I lay down I am asleep before I can finish getting comfortable in bed.
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Old 2008-05-20, 13:52
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As said Valium(diazepam), Ativan(lorazepam), xanax helped me but only atl ike a 1.5mg+ dose. klonpins arent bad either.

I recently obtained some fresh..and i mean fresh valium and i took 2 last night and i fell asleep with my TV on and my headphones playing some tunes...I rarely ever can fall asleep listening to music...for more than 15 minutes.
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Old 2008-05-20, 14:10
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I second the motion on Melatonin; it doesn't pack the sedative punch that a tranquilizing agent would, but it seems, at least to me, to aid a great deal in reaching of state of natural fatigue, as Dack9 said. It's also non-addictive and fairly cheap. If you can find them, get the Melatonin lozenges; they dissolve under your tongue in less than a minute and usually come in fairly appealing flavors like orange or lemon.

If this won't do the trick for you and you do feel the need for a sleeping medication, you need to pinpoint the problem. If you have trouble simply falling asleep but can stay there once you do, than a short-acting benzo like Xanax or Ativan would likely suit you. Xanax is occasionally prescribed for sleep, but most doctors lean more towards Ativan if they're settling for a benzo-fix in the matter. The good thing about short-acting benzos is that they hit you quick, are more sedating than the longer-lasting ones, and will wear off well before morning so you don't wake up groggy or buzzed. The downside is that they will stop working several hours after you're asleep, and if you have trouble staying asleep as well, they're likely cause an even worse rebound affect that can make it even harder to fall asleep again once you wake up.

If your problem is staying asleep, then something like Ambien or Lunesta would probably work well. Some doctors try temazepam, but I wouldn't even bother; it's extremely mild and really not suitable for anyone but the very med-sensitive type. Klonopin or Valium would also work here as the longer-acting benzo agents, but to me, Valium in prescribed doses simply isn't sedating enough; you'd be lucky to get 20 mg a night, and even then it'll probably be lack-luster in putting or keeping you out. Klonopin tends to be more sedating, in my experience, and a typical nighttime dose of it for insomnia is usually around 2 mg, which should be suitable for someone with a low tolerance and is at an average weight. However, especially with Klonopin, and possible Ambien as well (I've never taken Ambien), some people report the effects can last well into their morning, making your get-out-of-bed routine a bit more of a drag than usual. If it does help your sleep, though, that's a small sacrifice to make, IMHO.

Of course, if you try one of these benzos and it does the trick, that's going to be positive reinforcement to indulge in them more often, namely anytime you want to get some solid sleep. A once-daily insomnia dosage of benzos in therapeutic range usually isn't very risky as far as physical dependence, but the psychological factor will certainly come into play, and I speak from experience when I say that that is a bitch with benzos.

I'd also suggest trying to approach the cause of this stress and anxiety through internal reflection rather than external medication, but that's for a different forum, so I'll spare you the nagging.
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Old 2008-05-20, 16:09
Banana_milk Banana_milk is offline
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thank you so much everyone, i really appreciate all the responses :) Now, going to a doctor, if i ask for any of these things specifically are they going to think I'm just another 20year old trying to score some drugs? I tend to hear that it happens a little to often :/
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Old 2008-05-20, 16:18
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Originally Posted by Banana_milk
thank you so much everyone, i really appreciate all the responses :) Now, going to a doctor, if i ask for any of these things specifically are they going to think I'm just another 20year old trying to score some drugs? I tend to hear that it happens a little to often :/


Ambien and Lunesta probably not so much considering how much it's plugged on commercials and the fact that a lot of doctor's offices are crammed with tissue boxes and mousepads promoting one or the other (Ask your doctor if prescription Ambien is right for you!) but when it comes to the benzos they'll likely get a red flag. 20 year olds are sadly becoming notorious for prescription drug abuse, and things like Xanax and Valium are usually much more of a culprit for abuse than the true sleeping pills like Ambien.

Honestly, I'd just tell him the truth of these symptoms, because it certainly sounds like a legitimate case to prescribe one of the medications I mentioned above, or at least something similar. Just don't allude to any drug or alcohol use, and don't talk about depression. If you really want to sell your point, tell him how your lack of sleep is affecting your work or school performance and leaving you tired and listless.
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Old 2008-05-20, 16:26
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a) ambien is far more psychoactive (intense/trippier) than benzos.

b) ambien will almsot definitly work.

personally marijuana helps me fall asleep and i feel very relaxed throghout my sleep and when i wake up i feel nice.

previusly before i smoked i woulddnt get enought sleep ( i would just naturally wake up too early) and sleep patterns were pretty fukd up.

try some weed and see if it helps.
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Old 2008-05-20, 16:31
Banana_milk Banana_milk is offline
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Ambien and Lunesta probably not so much considering how much it's plugged on commercials and the fact that a lot of doctor's offices are crammed with tissue boxes and mousepads promoting one or the other (Ask your doctor if prescription Ambien is right for you!) but when it comes to the benzos they'll likely get a red flag. 20 year olds are sadly becoming notorious for prescription drug abuse, and things like Xanax and Valium are usually much more of a culprit for abuse than the true sleeping pills like Ambien.

Honestly, I'd just tell him the truth of these symptoms, because it certainly sounds like a legitimate case to prescribe one of the medications I mentioned above, or at least something similar. Just don't allude to any drug or alcohol use, and don't talk about depression. If you really want to sell your point, tell him how your lack of sleep is affecting your work or school performance and leaving you tired and listless.

Thank you for your help, I really am so appreciative for the reply. So pretty much to tell the doctor the truth.

I've been having a lot of trouble sleeping the past few weeks. I've been so stressed lately and with lack of sleep it's now affecting my work performance and my job is a high energy job and I need a good nights sleep. I've done research on the internet and it sounds like something such as ativan, klonopin, xanax would probably be some of the better options for me. I was also wondering how ambien could be for me.

Does that sound legit enough? I really don't want to sound uneducated but I don't want to seem like i'm trying to drug scam them either. The other problem I have is I don't have a constant doctor I go to, so I feel like that's another thing that isn't in my favor.
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Old 2008-05-20, 16:59
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vigorous physical exercise.
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Old 2008-05-20, 17:01
happyonehitter happyonehitter is offline
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Thank you for your help, I really am so appreciative for the reply. So pretty much to tell the doctor the truth.

I've been having a lot of trouble sleeping the past few weeks. I've been so stressed lately and with lack of sleep it's now affecting my work performance and my job is a high energy job and I need a good nights sleep. I've done research on the internet and it sounds like something such as ativan, klonopin, xanax would probably be some of the better options for me. I was also wondering how ambien could be for me.

Does that sound legit enough? I really don't want to sound uneducated but I don't want to seem like i'm trying to drug scam them either. The other problem I have is I don't have a constant doctor I go to, so I feel like that's another thing that isn't in my favor.

Even though you're not trying to score meds from the doctor, it's probably best not to mention any names specifically - it makes them suspicious and you could be labelled as drug-seeking on your medical record.
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Old 2008-05-20, 18:05
geezus666 geezus666 is offline
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Originally Posted by Banana_milk
thank you so much everyone, i really appreciate all the responses :) Now, going to a doctor, if i ask for any of these things specifically are they going to think I'm just another 20year old trying to score some drugs? I tend to hear that it happens a little to often :/


you really should give melatonin a try, before seeing a dr. its available everywhere. health food stores probably being the best deal, prices anyway.
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Old 2008-05-20, 18:29
Banana_milk Banana_milk is offline
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a) ambien is far more psychoactive (intense/trippier) than benzos.

b) ambien will almsot definitly work.

personally marijuana helps me fall asleep and i feel very relaxed throghout my sleep and when i wake up i feel nice.

previusly before i smoked i woulddnt get enought sleep ( i would just naturally wake up too early) and sleep patterns were pretty fukd up.

try some weed and see if it helps.


I used to smoke to go to bed, but I'm in the army now and can't do that anymore :/
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Old 2008-05-21, 01:42
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If benzos aren't working for you you could try some amitriptyline, 2 hours after taking it and you will pass out.
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Old 2008-05-21, 05:19
ilovechronic ilovechronic is offline
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you really should give melatonin a try, before seeing a dr. its available everywhere. health food stores probably being the best deal, prices anyway.

that sleep md stuff worked well for me. It had melatonin and other things in it but it works really fast and i would sleep great. probably not as cgeap as generic melatonin but it seems to work better for me.
 
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