I have looked around reading reports on effects from these substances alone or combined with eachother. Since there are few reports I would like to know your experiances with them. So anyone have anything to say about BZP/TFMPP?

I don't have anything to comment on this but I was wondering how well BZP works without combining it with TFMPP, I've got a gram of BZP that I got for free and I've had no experience with it.

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peoples perception of the drugs effects vary significantly,

some have a wonderful time, some say its crap.

personally i think its pretty average and is a shit alternative to most other similar drugs, and when i was on it i didnt feel any sense of inhibition loss or any extra empathy or anything accociated with common "dance scene" drugs like E (that is how BZP is marketed ), i felt akward in social settings (like a dissaciociave effect similar to dxm), not to mention serious hangover and insomnia.

one thing that was very cool about it was an increased ability to visualise/photographize my thoughts/memories very vividly and easily (possible CEV) and i was thinking thoughts that felt as if they were coming to me externally than internally which made me feel a littel crazy.

i know these arent typical symptoms but i treid to give u an experience.

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peoples perception of the drugs effects vary significantly,

some have a wonderful time, some say its crap.

but i treid to give u an experience.


I realize everyone experiances drugs differently. I dislike marijuana while most people love it. And the experiance information you gave me is perfect, reguardless of it being negative.

I realize everyone experiances drugs differently. I dislike marijuana while most people love it. And the experiance information you gave me is perfect, reguardless of it being negative.

Most people dont like it.

"Party Pills" Containing TFMPP and BZP were available, legally in NZ up until the start of May. Personally, I didn't like them much. In my opinion, they had the effect of bad E (i.e. not pure MDMA) and caused some hellish after effects, as well as the insomnia already mentioned.

A little while back though, and accquaintance of mine gave me some pure BZP in capsules after his business selling them shut down (in anticipation of the ban on their sale...), 200mg a cap. they were a far more interesting experience than the TFMPP blends I'd tried previously.

I'd describe them best as a strong buzz, not a lot of euphoria, just feeling wide awake and hyper, and a lot nicer come-down. I use them when I go out, and feel like E would be a waste of money, but they're definitely not a bad time in themselves. Also, they were free :p

They're worth doing if you don't have any money for better drugs, or want to stay up all night. You can smoke a ton of pot on them, and be hit far less than you normally would too...

I know this isn't my thread, but thanks for the info Dumbrella. I wonder if a combination with alcohol would be a bad thing?

Back when they were legitimately sold, there were all kinds of dire warnings about mixing with alcohol. Never done it myself, but I've seen mates drinking and taking them. I think if you're not going through half a bottle fo vodka or something you should be fine though.

Personally, I don't imagine the effects going together too well anyway. I just stick to buds with BZP...

Usually on any kind of stimulants I drink, it just makes it better and the come down is alot easier. Thats why I asked. Have you ever tried snorting BZP? I got a gram of pure powder I'm just afraid it'll burn the fuck outta my nose.

I'm really not that experienced with it, and i've never snorted it. Out of interest, is the powder you have any particular colour? The clear gel-caps I have have a green powder in them, which I'm not actually sure is pure bzp.

A quick Google search for "snorting BZP" returned:

I moved on to the other routes of administration rather quickly. Next experiment was intranasal insufflation (snorting). Snorted about (not sure cause no scale) 75mg, and onset was almost immediate! (pain pain burning burning!!!) this stuff hurts. after about 10 minutes was flying high as a kite. I wish I knew my exact dosages in this trip report, because i suspect they were all higher than what I guessed, due to the fact that 10 full grams were so quickly used... but that is off the point, for now at least. So anyways, 10-15 minutes after snorting, a much nicer high than the oral version set in. I felt on top of the world like dopamine AND serotonin were being either over-released, or that their re-uptake was being blocked very well. This high's peak was at about one hour, and slowly and nicely tapered off over a period of 3 hours or so... Not to say I was at baseline in 4 hours after snorting! Just that the extreme high lasted that long. I continued to feel that amphetamine-like alertness and desire for conversation for the rest of the night.

Source: http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=8069

Apparently you can I.V. it too...

They are both a complete waste of time, unless you want to feel dirty.