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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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#1
 2008-05-04, 05:18
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Feonix12 
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Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
If your going to flame just keep it to yourself. I dont care if you think its retarded but your not the only dbag that has had problems.
Alright, well i'll start from the beginning. I first tried/started smoking reefer in January of 2004. At first getting high was pleasurable and fun. I remember smoking quite a bit to and watching people throw up when they smoked with my group of friends. In December i was diagnosed with depression (worst thing that ever happned to me in my life) and was put on Prozac. After i was put on prozac i decided to not smoke for a while to see if i could straighten things out.
Then my friends birthday came up and we decided to smoke, i still remember a lot from that night. At first i was just starting to feel it like normal but then it just kept getting more and more intense. Before long i found myself lying on the couch more stoned then i have ever been in my life. I couldnt talk and when people talked to me i felt distant and paranoid. I thought maybe it was just from not smoking for a while but about a month later i started smoking every day again but this time it was different then before and i kept getting those intense feelings of distance and paranoia.
Well eventually i quit the prozac because it turned me into a zombie and my life ran itself. But i continued to smoke marijuana because i thought i still enjoyed it. I started smoking by myself more and more because smoking with people kept getting harder and harder to do because of paranioa/anxiety. O and i should add i started developing reverse tolerance and even while not high i had paranioa/anxiety that progessively got worse.
A year later i dropped out of school, started living with my sister, and doing all the hard drugs i could find in the small college town. I kept smoking pot because i thought it might be different from the last time i got high (even though it never did, and this is the definition of insanity). Even after doing a line of coke i would try and smoke marijuana but all it would do is instantly bring me down into the pits of hell i so deperatly tried to escape by DOING drugs.
After 6 months of living like this i went to rehab and i came to the conclusion that i smoked reefer to get "rid" of my paranioa/anxiety because when i came down i would be glad i wasnt high anymore.
Anyway I rarely smoke nowdays (probably about once every 4 months on average, and the tiniest amout from swag gets me super blazed) and my anxiety/paranoia has decresed dramatically.
One last note, everyone in my imediate family smoked marijuana like i did then burned out on it and they dont like it anymore (my sister still drinks like a mule, smokes 2 packs of cigs a day, still does coke, pops oxy/hydrocodine a lot, but never smokes ganja anymore).
Alright Thanks for reading and maybe actually caring to help some random soul. This was just a short overview on the subject as i could tell stories for pages.
And my question is, Why cant i enjoy marijuana like everyone else? Am i the only one who's effects felt by ganja are Paranoia, Anxiety, Distant outlook, Light Headed, Racing Heart, Racing Thoughts, Extreme Fatigue, and Depression?
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#2
 2008-05-04, 05:38
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
its never worsened my depression, in fact it reduced it alot, probably kept me from killing myself...
the only times i haven't really enjoyed weed was my first few times, but then again taking bong rips of headies never having smoked is just asking for problems...
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#3
 2008-05-04, 05:40
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Captain Cannabis 
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
Do you also get intense introspection? I don't know this used to happen to me I would get really paranoid and second guess myself. In all honestly though those thought were complete bullshit. You might be able to balance it out by having a couple of beers before smoking but for some reason it stopped happening and every thing was back to normal.
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#4
 2008-05-04, 05:41
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
I'd think after awhile you wouldn't get paranoid when you smoked. How are we supposed to know why you can't enjoy weed? Maybe just relax a little thats all just smoke a fat ass blunt and be like 'hey its just weed' and get baked.
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#5
 2008-05-04, 05:43
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
Yeah, weed usually makes me less depressed. Sometimes I get paradnoid on it though, if I'm really baked in a room crammed full of people.
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#6
 2008-05-04, 05:47
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
YOU CANNOT CALL YOURSELF PARANOID. Paranoia is an irrational fear, how can you be irrational, yet rationalize that it is irrational?
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#7
 2008-05-04, 05:52
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
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Originally Posted by Area51
YOU CANNOT CALL YOURSELF PARANOID. Paranoia is an irrational fear, how can you be irrational, yet rationalize that it is irrational?
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i always thought that crazy people never realized they were crazy... then one night i was horribly sick and went into a delirium in my bedroom late that night. i was shaking in my bed mumbling stuff that only made sense to me, and i knew everyone else would think its insane so i had to be quiet... i knew i was mumbling insanity to myself and that i couldn't let anyone hear it.. then i had the thought of running to the bathroom where i puked then passed out on the floor for a while...
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#8
 2008-05-04, 05:58
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Feonix12 
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
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Originally Posted by Captain Cannabis
Do you also get intense introspection? I don't know this used to happen to me I would get really paranoid and second guess myself. In all honestly though those thought were complete bullshit. You might be able to balance it out by having a couple of beers before smoking but for some reason it stopped happening and every thing was back to normal.
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Do you also get intense introspection? No, i get the oposite of that.
I can always determine that my thoughts are irrational later but it doesnt/has never helped. Drinking Beer and Smoking just makes it all worse, and im usually asleep/passout within 30 min.
The racing thoughts change the logical reasoning into retardedness.
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#9
 2008-05-04, 06:34
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Special. K 
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
Mules don't drink, they pack... stuff... On their backs and shit. Pack mule.
Good analogy genius 
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#10
 2008-05-04, 06:37
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
Simple answer: It isn't for you.
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#11
 2008-05-04, 06:53
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Feonix12 
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
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Originally Posted by Affect
Simple answer: It isn't for you.
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Yep, Thanks man. I already figured this but sometimes i wish i could toke it up with my friends and enjoy it as much as they do.
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#12
 2008-05-04, 11:38
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
So after you were put on prozac you stopped smoking weed and everything was ok. Then you smoked weed again and it was a very unpleasant experience. All your problems came back. Despite this you continued smoking weed... daily... even though it made you very paranoid.
Then somehow you came to the conclusion the prozac was at fault, quit that, kept smoking, and things still kept getting progressively worse. You drop out of school and STILL continue smoking weed and having a bad time? Then it took you another 6 months to realize the pot was what was causing your problems?
You must realise how ridiculous this sounds. It seems to me you desperately didn't want to admit to yourself that weed might be doing you harm. It must really suck to not be able to smoke weed any more but there's nothing you can do. :/
Better living through chemistry, dude.
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#13
 2008-05-04, 13:34
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
After 6 months of living like this i went to rehab and i came to the conclusion that i smoked reefer to get "rid" of my paranioa/anxiety because when i came down i would be glad i wasnt high anymore.
Did YOU come up with this or is this a theory the rehab gave you?
It sounds to me like you were trying to enjoy being high, kind of like training to practicing to win a race. You had a goal and kept trying.. unfortunately, the way you're wired doesn't produce the same calming effects as it does in other people.
Pot gave me panic attacks when I was 16. After smoking for 3 years, I quit for a year. And started again. Now, I have total control over my panic attacks.
I can smoke weed or drink coffee or whatever and it's all good. What I'm trying to say is you can only get control over your brain in conjunction with the chemicals if you're OFF the chemicals. And in your case, smoking pot just isn't worth all that mess.
Unless you see it as a challenge to strengthen you're own mental will or something, but that may be just me. :D
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#14
 2008-05-04, 14:52
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
And my question is, Why cant i enjoy marijuana like everyone else? Am i the only one who's effects felt by ganja are Paranoia, Anxiety, Distant outlook, Light Headed, Racing Heart, Racing Thoughts, Extreme Fatigue, and Depression?
I get similar effects from smoking pot. I attribute it to growing up and having more important things to do now than I used to, back when I enjoyed smoking weed. I have ceased my use of all drugs, and I feel better for it. There are still times when I think it would be nice to become intoxicated; but it interferes with my life too much, so I choose not to.
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#15
 2008-05-04, 14:58
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
You are exactly like me dude. Pot just isn't for you. That's exactly why I quit smoking it. I stopped liking it, and I couldn't fool myself that I liked it anymore so I stopped smoking. I feel alot better since quitting.
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#16
 2008-05-04, 15:03
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IronZeppelin 
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
Don't be a pussy
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#17
 2008-05-04, 16:48
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
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Originally Posted by Captain Cannabis
Do you also get intense introspection? I don't know this used to happen to me I would get really paranoid and second guess myself. In all honestly though those thought were complete bullshit. You might be able to balance it out by having a couple of beers before smoking but for some reason it stopped happening and every thing was back to normal.
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I get that sometimes. Fucking buzzkill. I just started getting a little more confidence and it helped.
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#18
 2008-05-04, 17:01
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Miluardo 
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
I get almost 100% similar effects. I also suffered from depression and still get anxious. I was getting panic attacks from my anxiety which I learned to control(mmm benzos helped a lot).
Just wait until you're having a good day where you feel confident within yourself and the day to smoke weed. Then enjoy it. Know there isn't anything wrong. Know that some people get a fast heart beat and distant thoughts. Know that with any psychedellic no matter how mild, you will start exploring yourself if you're in the mood / state of mind. You're probly in a position in your life where you want to make some changes to how you're doing things. It's usually the reason I get self-reflective. If that's what state of mind you're in, then find out what's troubling you / what you want to change. After that, move forward with your life.
If weed doesn't help, don't use it. Don't whine that you can't. One of my best friends can't smoke weed because he starts getting muscle convulsions. THAT is something to whine about. Smoked 6 times a day and probly can't ever again.
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#19
 2008-05-04, 18:53
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
Let me tell you my short story.
I smoked weed for two years.
Everyday for 6 months near the end of my two year run.
One day, a bunch of us got to together and candyflipped (ecstacy and acid). I had a really horrible trip.
Ever since then, I could not smoke weed or drink without getting anxiety and many other unpleasant feelings.
Now, I just don't smoke weed and drink once a week.
But I'm happy it turned out this way. My life has never been on a better track. It took a hard lesson like that to figure out how much weed really holds you back.
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#20
 2008-05-04, 22:17
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
lol,reefer
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#21
 2008-05-05, 00:05
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
It's called reefer madness, you'll desire pot for the rest of your life and will continually become more and more incurably insane.
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#22
 2008-05-05, 04:35
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
thats the only rational explanation
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#23
 2008-05-05, 05:16
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
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Originally Posted by jamaica0535
its never worsened my depression, in fact it reduced it alot, probably kept me from killing myself...
the only times i haven't really enjoyed weed was my first few times, but then again taking bong rips of headies never having smoked is just asking for problems...
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yeah, this..
i don't see how it could make you depressed. Okay, maybe after, but not the high.
i mean there are times i've walked out of school feeling shitty as fuck at 3:30, by 3:40 I was parked at some side street chiefing and i felt great..
and i've had my unpleasant times on weed, its before i put my life into perspective and i just ride with it when i get that high now.
really.
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#24
 2008-05-05, 10:19
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Zapphle 
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
Yea ever since I did some acid and had a bad trip about 2 or 3 months ago ive been getting panic attacks like you described almost every time i smoke.
If its a tiny bit I wont but the more i smoke in one session the more likely it is to occur. Really sucks when someone wants to smoke a blunt or something.
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#25
 2008-05-05, 11:54
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Re: Maybe one of you can help me, Problem i developed with smoking reefer.
And my question is, Why cant i enjoy marijuana like everyone else? Am i the only one who's effects felt by ganja are Paranoia, Anxiety, Distant outlook, Light Headed, Racing Heart, Racing Thoughts, Extreme Fatigue, and Depression?
Thats a panic attack.
Stop smoking weed.
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