Many threads I have seen in this forum ask a lot of questions about "why some things in the bible are a certain way" or "why do things in the bible contradict themselves". Some of the questions could have been solved before hand had you read more or all of the bible before attempting to come to conclutions about things. I'm not saying to believe this or that, all I'm saying is, before posting an idea or asking a question, make sure you are working with all of the information first and not just part of it. For instance, would you read half a page of instructions on how to put something together, then go on the internet and ask, "why the hell doesn't part A fit to part B"? Perhaps If you had read the instructions, from the top of the page to the bottom, in order...You would already know the answer........

This goes for anything, not just religion. Know what your doing before you just jump into something.

It's clear from some of your other posts that you haven't read the bible.

They just want their opinions echoed across the internet so they have more self confidence in their own beliefs.

Why would you say that? Give me some examples...

Welcome to Brokeprophets Bible study. Today we will examine Romans...



11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12not by works but by him who calls—she was told, "The older will serve the younger."[d] 13Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."[f] 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. ."



Before Esau was even born, God hated him. God planned on hating him, and did not have compassion or mercy on Esau, NO MATTER his desire or effort.



17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."[g] 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.



God raised the Pharaoh, hardened his heart, for the sole purpose of displaying his power to mortals. Healing every sick, hungry or insane person on Earth all at once would display this power as well, if not greater.



19One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' "[h] 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?



This whole passage here says "I made you, you are mine, I will do whatever the fuck I want to your mind, body and spirit, and DONT YOU DARE question me, mortal."

Taking this all in context God says "Look, some people I have a purpose to put on this Earth just to torture, to show everyone how tough I am, and you don't have a right to question that."

See how I did not ask a question and do not require an answer? The answer is clear. I do not ask questions that lurk within the mazework of overgeneralized horseshit that is the bible. I have answered the meaning behind this passage, and come to this conclusion........

Fuck this God.

I can go on about the unfairness of punishing children for the sins of there great, great grandparents, or about how God is clearly unjust since a human can ONLY commit a FINITE amount of sin, but will suffer INFINITE punishment.

I could, but I don't believe in fairy tales, and that is God's will. God clearly has hardened my heart and made me an atheist, decided to do it before I was even born, nay before the universe was even here, just to display his awesomeness when he punishes me in horrible fashion.

So fuck him.

Why would you say that? Give me some examples...

I think the parts you refer to are BEFORE the ten comandments were written dude...Not to be rude...but...Read the whole bible in order (front to back of course) first, then it will make more sense. (you still might not believe it, but it will make more sense).

It still doesn't make sense when you read it front to back, and the ten commandments were totally irrelevant in that thread.

It still doesn't make sense when you read it front to back, and the ten commandments were totally irrelevant in that thread.

If you had read the bible, you would see how they are relevant...And yes, it does make sense (Not only must you read it front front to back, You have to hold the book right side up)

If you had read the bible, you would see how they are relevant...And yes, it does make sense

No, the only relevant part was Jesus abolishing Mosaic Law. The ten commandments didn't do that, and if you had read the bible, you would know that.

Not only must you read it front front to back, You have to hold the book right side up

How witty of you.

What thread was this in again? Perhaps I should check it out just to be certain that I didn't screw anything up before I tell you how dumb you are again. (research first)

Nevermind, I found it...

That guy was talking about stuff that happened before the ten comandments were written. So...uh...I really don't know what your talking about. It's not like this is a big complicated thing...what the hell?

If you're going to insult my intelligence, please, at the very least, fix your grammar.

The ten commandments didn't matter. It was the abolition of Mosaic Law (of which the ten commandments were a part) which was relevant. The ten commandments didn't change Mosaic Law, they only added to it. In fact, the 6th commandment ('you shall not murder') is what made Mosaic Law so hypocritical.

Hell with it man...Who really gives a shit.

Fine.

But it's your thread.

But it's your thread.

Wasn't really what the thread was about anyway...

But it's your thread.

The argument was from another thread.

Ah, my mistake; I thought somehow harry had gotten back on topic with that last post. Silly me.

Welcome to Brokeprophets Bible study. Today we will examine Romans...



11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12not by works but by him who calls—she was told, "The older will serve the younger."[d] 13Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

14What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15For he says to Moses,
"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."[f] 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. ."



Before Esau was even born, God hated him. God planned on hating him, and did not have compassion or mercy on Esau, NO MATTER his desire or effort.



17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."[g] 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.



God raised the Pharaoh, hardened his heart, for the sole purpose of displaying his power to mortals. Healing every sick, hungry or insane person on Earth all at once would display this power as well, if not greater.



19One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' "[h] 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?



This whole passage here says "I made you, you are mine, I will do whatever the fuck I want to your mind, body and spirit, and DONT YOU DARE question me, mortal."

Taking this all in context God says "Look, some people I have a purpose to put on this Earth just to torture, to show everyone how tough I am, and you don't have a right to question that."

See how I did not ask a question and do not require an answer? The answer is clear. I do not ask questions that lurk within the mazework of overgeneralized horseshit that is the bible. I have answered the meaning behind this passage, and come to this conclusion........

Fuck this God.

I can go on about the unfairness of punishing children for the sins of there great, great grandparents, or about how God is clearly unjust since a human can ONLY commit a FINITE amount of sin, but will suffer INFINITE punishment.

I could, but I don't believe in fairy tales, and that is God's will. God clearly has hardened my heart and made me an atheist, decided to do it before I was even born, nay before the universe was even here, just to display his awesomeness when he punishes me in horrible fashion.

So fuck him.

So you don't believe in God because he has hardened your heart, therefore you choose to believe in his nonexistence because of his hateful existence.
In other words, you defy a God you know exists.

because he has hardened your heart

I'm pretty sure you have to prove that God exists before you can show that He has hardened BP's heart. That his heart is hard is a given, but how do you know that it's God that did this?

So you don't believe in God because he has hardened your heart, therefore you choose to believe in his nonexistence because of his hateful existence.
In other words, you defy a God you know exists.

I don't defy God. There is no God to defy. Nothing I typed should suggest that God exists (as nothing can or does suggest this) so I do not know that God exists, and make no claims to that.

I therefore, don't believe God hardened my heart. This is what I typed....

God raised the Pharaoh, hardened his heart, for the sole purpose of displaying his power to mortals. Healing every sick, hungry or insane person on Earth all at once would display this power as well, if not greater.

It is only meant to suggest that, if God is real, he is clearly an EPIC asshole.

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My main point was to show that in most cases I do not put up a bit of scripture and ask everyone what it means, as was suggested by the OP. My secondary point was to take yet another critical stab at the holy bible.

So you don't believe in God because he has hardened your heart, therefore you choose to believe in his nonexistence because of his hateful existence.
In other words, you defy a God you know exists.

It was hypothetical.