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Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference.

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Old 2008-04-09, 17:00
-AnEnima- -AnEnima- is offline
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Default Acid or Ecstacy?

Basically, I've wanted to try LSD for a while now. I've done my homework, and found that apart from the experience of a bad trip, there aren't really any side effects from very occasional use. Likewise with ecstacy (although I've heard various things on the topic of sex, ranging from complete lack of sex drive, to an increase in it).

Is it true that LSD stays in your system, and occasionally reccurs? Also, which of the 2 afore mentioned is better for going out/partys? Im looking for a (possibly cheaper) substitute to alcohol, and I want to stay away from speed and coke.
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Old 2008-04-09, 17:08
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dont take acid at parties, cmon peter.
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Old 2008-04-09, 17:24
wojack420 wojack420 is offline
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E is great for partys. LSD would be a little weird and will probably lead to a bad trip at a party. I say go with the xtc.
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Old 2008-04-09, 17:32
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Is it true that LSD stays in your system,

Only for the duration of the trip, which is around 12 hours total. The peak being about half that. The rumor that it gets stored in your spine is bullshit.

and occasionally reccurs?

Only if you trip a lot in a short period of time (such as tripping every week for an entire summer.) This is known as HPPD. Look it up.

Also, which of the 2 afore mentioned is better for going out/partys?

Uh...ecstasy. It makes you quite a bit more social and willing. Also, you'll likely be dancing your balls off. Just stay away from the alcohol and drink plenty of water. Try to bring some extra should any females care to take any ;)


Im looking for a (possibly cheaper) substitute to alcohol, and I want to stay away from speed and coke.

A single roll of ecstasy tends to be more expensive than LSD, especially if you're not well connected, but both should be cheaper than getting drunk for an entire evening, unless you're buying some top dollar booze.

Acid shouldn't be more than $5-7 for a single hit. If you can, buy 10 of them. That's where the price cut usually is. But as previously mentioned, not for parties.
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Old 2008-04-09, 17:33
weirdlittlepotsmoker weirdlittlepotsmoker is offline
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I would choose lsd over E anyday, but definitely not at a party. E is perfect for parties. Lsd is something you want to try at the beach, or out camping.
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Old 2008-04-09, 17:43
XstanX XstanX is offline
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Take acid sometime when you have nothing to do for the next few days. Its amazing, you absolutely must use it. The only problems I see with it are, it throws off your sleep for a little bit, and take it in the morning and dont count on being able to sleep for the next twenty or so hours. Happy tripping.
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Old 2008-04-09, 18:30
42Oinchrims 42Oinchrims is offline
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Default Re: Acid or Ecstacy?

Only for the duration of the trip, which is around 12 hours total. The peak being about half that. The rumor that it gets stored in your spine is bullshit.

Actually it stays in your system for up to 4 days. Some expensive drugtests actually test for it. Its like 100$ just for that one panel. But your right its not stored spine a lifetime like most people think.
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Old 2008-04-09, 18:36
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Yeah, well, everyone makes mistakes :)
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Old 2008-04-09, 19:29
42Oinchrims 42Oinchrims is offline
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Yeah, well, everyone makes mistakes :)


Ya i was just letting you know. I make plenty of mistakes.
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Old 2008-04-09, 22:09
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Default Re: Acid or Ecstacy?

Only for the duration of the trip, which is around 12 hours total.

Very rarely do people have 12 hours trips, usually its closer to 8 or 10.


Only if you trip a lot in a short period of time (such as tripping every week for an entire summer.) This is known as HPPD. Look it up.

No, that's flashbacks. HPPD is like one continuous low-level flashback.
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Old 2008-04-09, 22:21
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Very rarely do people have 12 hours trips, usually its closer to 8 or 10.

I said "around 12 hours."

The peak is usually between 4-8 hours, depending on dose, but almost any acid trip will have lingering effects for at least 10 to 14 hours after initially dosing. The trip simply does not end after a peak, it tapers off, usually not until one has gotten a good nights rest.

No, that's flashbacks. HPPD is like one continuous low-level flashback.


A flashback is a symptom of HPPD.

Unless you have some preexisting mental condition, it is HIGHLY unlikely you will get either flashbacks or HPPD after only a couple trips.

He asked if it occasionally reoccurs, which, after frequent use in a short period of time, it does. Like I said, this is known as HPPD, which unlike what you said is NOT constant. I know this, because I had it fairly bad case of it this past fall.
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Old 2008-04-09, 22:34
Naminator01 Naminator01 is offline
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Motherfucker, you had me going there that flashbacks were just an uninformed version of HPDD.

If the stance is that they are completely different then please don't answer it.
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Old 2008-04-09, 22:38
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Motherfucker, you had me going there that flashbacks were just an uninformed version of HPDD.

If the stance is that they are completely different then please don't answer it.


They are quite different, just related.

HPPD is a general distortion of vision. Maybe seeing things like "shadow rats", as I've come to call them moving around. When I was seeing them, I'd see what appeared to be small dark objects moving around my floor out of the corner of my eyes, but of course when I turned to look they weren't actually there.

A flashback is an occurrence where a previous hallucination/visual is "re-experienced."

But as I stated, flashbacks are generally a symptom of extreme cases of
HPPD.
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Old 2008-04-09, 23:29
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I've done LSD in a nightclub and I didn't have a bad trip and freak out. Stop being a pussy.
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Old 2008-04-09, 23:37
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lol HPPD. You guys want my ppt on it? It seems that you all have misconceptions about it(especially you darkus).
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Old 2008-04-09, 23:38
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lol HPPD. You guys want my ppt on it? It seems that you all have misconceptions about it(especially you darkus).


Why don't you try do a little explaining rather than basically say nothing at all? I would love to hear your "ppt", whatever the hell that is. Please, enlighten me.
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Old 2008-04-10, 00:06
GanjaGuru420 GanjaGuru420 is offline
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If your at a party and everyone is doing acid, do acid. Just do whatever everyone else is doing (except for dumbass shit). If everyones gonna roll then roll with em. you get the idea.
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Old 2008-04-10, 02:30
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I've done LSD in a nightclub and I didn't have a bad trip and freak out. Stop being a pussy.


Seriously. First time I did acid I was at a party. Acid sick as hell to do around people because you're on a different wavelength then them. Its tiiiiight.
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Old 2008-04-10, 03:03
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Why don't you try do a little explaining rather than basically say nothing at all? I would love to hear your "ppt", whatever the hell that is. Please, enlighten me.

Powerpoint?
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Old 2008-04-10, 09:21
Lazarus Lazarus is offline
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Powerpoint?

That's what I was thinking. But that's only my JPEG, you know?
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Old 2008-04-10, 11:01
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Ya i was just letting you know. I make plenty of mistakes.
Your parents made a bigger mistake.
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Old 2008-04-10, 18:33
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A LSD flashback is actually no different then a normal flashback from a strong emotional experience. Say a girl has a flashback of when she was raped by her uncle when she was 2, she'd flashback to the emotional state she was in then. Now LSD produces powerful emotional experiences, just in a good way. A flashback just flashes back to the powerful emotional experience. They aren't dangerous.
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Old 2008-04-10, 18:58
Evil_Tree Evil_Tree is offline
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I've had one 'acid flashback' and it was when I ate shit while mountain biking without a helmet on. I was up on this lip that was about as wide as my bike's tire on the bank of this died up stream and I fell because I was going too fast and couldn't maneuver around the curves. I don't remember the fall really other than it was a good five or six feet, or how I landed, but I do remember while pulling my bike out of the mud everything was covered in patterns and shit for a few seconds. This is why now a days when I go stoned mountain biking I wear my brain bucket...
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Old 2008-04-10, 19:00
jvm222 jvm222 is offline
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Acid. Or shrooms :D
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Old 2008-04-11, 00:46
jamaica0535 jamaica0535 is offline
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Originally Posted by Uh
dont take acid at parties, cmon peter.


i was at a crazy Halloween party on some gelltabs... i had been taking bong rips until my friend told me that it was ok to drink because we were going to leave in the morning... so i said fuck it and took the tabs, and got a bit drunk...it brought the trip down after drinking but with people i had never seen or talked to running around with hatchets and machetes throwing pumpkins and hundreds of dollars worth of stolen decorations into the fire pit it was getting crazy... but it never turned into a bad trip at all, i just chilled next to the fire getting warm and watching the flames while the chaos around me ensued... although i had an "oh shit" moment when i heard someone yell that an air compressor had been thrown into the fire...

i wouldn't do it for my first time, but if you plan to take acid at a party, if things get crazy just drink a bit...

and it also seemed to reduce my hangover, i had been drinking cheep vodka, jack, and god knows how much beer... which would usually give me a hangover for the next 24 hours but the symptoms didn't really show up until i was feeling normal again after the trip...
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Old 2008-04-11, 01:50
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Basically, I've wanted to try LSD for a while now. I've done my homework, and found that apart from the experience of a bad trip, there aren't really any side effects from very occasional use. Likewise with ecstacy (although I've heard various things on the topic of sex, ranging from complete lack of sex drive, to an increase in it).

Is it true that LSD stays in your system, and occasionally reccurs? Also, which of the 2 afore mentioned is better for going out/partys? Im looking for a (possibly cheaper) substitute to alcohol, and I want to stay away from speed and coke.


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