I've been noticing lots of dosage threads lately. Basically people who are new to a drug asking for a suggested first time dose. Now, these threads are totally legit, but they're repeated alot. So, what I'm thinking is a sticky thread recommend what they think the first time dose for drugs should be. People could even put in suggestions for first timers too.

Example:

Hydrocodone: 40mg using the potentiation formula. Crush up the pills and parachute, or cut in half and swallow. Take more as needed.

Oxycodone: 30mg, using the potentiation formula. Crush and parachute, or just chew it up. Chew/snort 5-10mg as needed.

Mushrooms: 1/8. Take in nature.

etc. etc.

Hopefully we can put an end to these dosage threads and provide a good resource for first-time users.

I lost the potentiation formula, post?

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To get the ABSOLUTE MOST out of your opiate, try N0 W4RN1NG's patented opioid potentiation formula:

T-45) 600mg Tagamet HB(Cimetidine HCl), a large glass of tonic water (or another source of quinine), and a large glass of (white) Grapefruit juice, preferably from concentrate.
T-35) 30mg DXM HBr, 4mg CPM, 25mg Benadryl(Diphenhydramine HCl), 330mg Naproxen(Aleve).
T-20) 2 Tums OR 1.5 Tbsp. of Baking SODA. (Obviously this step only applies if you are eating your opes)
T-0) Parachute\chew\rail\bang your opiate\opioid.
T+10) Smoke a bowl or two. Not more, you don't want to over power it.

If you want the most out of it, do not snort it - just eat it (highest bioavailability is orally). If you want a quicker onset, parachute it or dissolve it into a shot of water or something.

Ya people do post that question alot, but it is an important question and sticky threads dont get answered as quickly. Then again darwinism is necessary for evolution.

we have a sticky already smart one its called erowid/google.

I don't like cluttering the place with stickies. They should only be used for things that are important.

That said, it might make a good Official thread.

I'll sticky this for now so I can getr the other Mods opinions on it.

Erowid doesn't always supply dosages on opiates and stuff like that because of tolerance issues. That and there are too many kidiots here that are too lazy to do any research for themselves.

I think it's a good idea for a sticky.

not needed

If you're going to sticky it (even temporarily) why not change the title to something more relevant? The title "A new Official Thread?? Mods?" won't help much if someone comes to BLTC with a dosage question unless they read it first, which is less likely with the current title. Sort of redundant.

Erowid has the worst dosage recomendations..

This place has bad dosage too... everyone is different and that is why a thread like this shouldn't exist.

Like stated before... 30mg of oxycodone for ME would have ME puking for at least the afternoon... a terrible time.

And I bet even 40mg for me would land me in hospital!

When I started taking oxy, I would take 5mg and SOMETIMES I would be overwhelmed.

Now, when I take 10mg of oxy, I am perfect... anymore makes me puke and have a terrible day.

Some people snort a 20 and feel shit all. Everyone is a bit different, and it is dangerous to but out a "standard" for what people should be taking for their first time.

I bet if I took 30mg of oxy my first time... I would never have touched opiates again.

BUT, a thread like the Pill ID thread... that works, people come in with certain questions, and they get answered individually, or they can look through the 20+ pages and possibly find what they want. If this thread was done, it would have to be done right, the last thing we need is more people hurting themselves.

The purpose is for there to be alot of information from different individuals. People would have to give their normal doses too for tolerences. That way people can find other users with similiar levels of use.

Yea, but the trip reports are crucial. [p][T]ihkal is also a good dose reference(if Shulgin can do it at 55 I'm pretty sure it's safe).

Yea, but the trip reports are crucial. [p][T]ihkal is also a good dose reference(if Shulgin can do it at 55 I'm pretty sure it's safe).
Both PIHKAL and TIHKAL are excellent dosage guides for their respective compounds.

Both PIHKAL and TIHKAL are excellent dosage guides for their respective compounds.

are those dot com sites ? or websites in general? on another note i find totse believe it or not has horrible recomendations for dosages. who the fuck needs 30 mg of oxy to feel a buzz their first time using opiates? sure it never killed anyone, but to a non - user 10 mg even can give you a nice little buzz.. and meth.. all these kidiots that live in my area are 16 and banging the shit.. because its NOT METH! it's SHIT compared to what was around a few years ago.. with GOOD meth you shouldnt even need a 1 inch long line that's a quarter inch wide.. you need a tiny little BUMP every few hours and you're set for the day. has anyone ever taken a look at the 'drugs' section of this site? WHO THE FUCK decides what gets put in there?? an amoeba? reading through some of those pisses me off a lot, as nearly every single one of them has a whole bunch of innacurrate information.. this is DRUGS. mis-information is potentially dangerous. there should be at least some kind of filter on the shit that gets saved on there. some of you guys if you havnt already take a look through it.. and im talking about on the left of the screen where it says drugs.. they should get someone like stupid noob to go through it all and get rid of the bullshit as i'm sure he would find SEVERAL retarded things in it, or JoePedo as well probably.

Last thing I want is more fscking stickies.

are those dot com sites ? or websites in general? on another note i find totse believe it or not has horrible recomendations for dosages. who the fuck needs 30 mg of oxy to feel a buzz their first time using opiates? sure it never killed anyone, but to a non - user 10 mg even can give you a nice little buzz.. and meth.. all these kidiots that live in my area are 16 and banging the shit.. because its NOT METH! it's SHIT compared to what was around a few years ago.. with GOOD meth you shouldnt even need a 1 inch long line that's a quarter inch wide.. you need a tiny little BUMP every few hours and you're set for the day. has anyone ever taken a look at the 'drugs' section of this site? WHO THE FUCK decides what gets put in there?? an amoeba? reading through some of those pisses me off a lot, as nearly every single one of them has a whole bunch of innacurrate information.. this is DRUGS. mis-information is potentially dangerous. there should be at least some kind of filter on the shit that gets saved on there. some of you guys if you havnt already take a look through it.. and im talking about on the left of the screen where it says drugs.. they should get someone like stupid noob to go through it all and get rid of the bullshit as i'm sure he would find SEVERAL retarded things in it, or JoePedo as well probably.



Wow, it's about time you got serious and stopped trolling. But I won't ride the subject to death, because I am just glad you stopped.


Anyway, PIHKAL and TIHKAL are book written by Alexander Shulgin and his wife Anne.

Erowid has copies of the second half of each book, they provide a synthesis route or two to a certain drug as well as the doctors commentary on the compound, and then some "trip" reports that include dosage and very concise details on the experience.


The FIRST half of TIHKAL can be found floating around LT somewhere, as well as his Simple Plant Quinolines book. Also, his original notebook from working at dow when he rediscovered MDMA is in the RARE BOOKS! thread in LT. I recently reorganized that thread, so everything is easier to find without wading through page after page of posts.

are those dot com sites ? or websites in general? on another note i find totse believe it or not has horrible recomendations for dosages. who the fuck needs 30 mg of oxy to feel a buzz their first time using opiates? sure it never killed anyone, but to a non - user 10 mg even can give you a nice little buzz.. and meth.. all these kidiots that live in my area are 16 and banging the shit.. because its NOT METH! it's SHIT compared to what was around a few years ago.. with GOOD meth you shouldnt even need a 1 inch long line that's a quarter inch wide.. you need a tiny little BUMP every few hours and you're set for the day. has anyone ever taken a look at the 'drugs' section of this site? WHO THE FUCK decides what gets put in there?? an amoeba? reading through some of those pisses me off a lot, as nearly every single one of them has a whole bunch of innacurrate information.. this is DRUGS. mis-information is potentially dangerous. there should be at least some kind of filter on the shit that gets saved on there. some of you guys if you havnt already take a look through it.. and im talking about on the left of the screen where it says drugs.. they should get someone like stupid noob to go through it all and get rid of the bullshit as i'm sure he would find SEVERAL retarded things in it, or JoePedo as well probably.

You fucking idiot, those are both books on phenethylamines and tryptamines, respectively. If you claim to be as smart as you say you are then you would know this shit.

You fucking idiot, those are both books on phenethylamines and tryptamines, respectively. If you claim to be as smart as you say you are then you would know this shit.

What you're talking about has more to do with knowledge than smarts. Maybe if he had heard the names before and didn't have the intelligence to retain their meaning, well, then you could probably call him stupid.

But really, how do expect someone to know what something is if they've never even heard of it before?

Edit: Oh, and I-M-E, I agree wholeheartedly. Those text-files piss me off to no end.

But really, how do expect someone to know what something is if they've never even heard of it before?


We have this thing now....

It's actually designed to find you information on things you may or may not have ever heard of before.

www.google.com

Optimal dosages from person to person vary so widely that any attempt to standardize them would be pointless and possibly dangerous to some. You (OP) say 40mg hydro and 30mg oxy - those might be right for you, but most would consider those pretty high for first time doses of either.

It also needs to be specified whether it's a guy or girl in question, because dosages vary hugely between guys and girls. If you give a first time male user 30mg oxy, he might have a nice time, or he might be uncomfortable, maybe feel pretty sick. If instead of a guy, it's a 110lb girl, everything is totally different. She might be VERY sick, and though she probably won't die, it's safe to say that the dosage was way high.

As for mushrooms, there really isn't any way to calibrate your dose effectively unless you've taken mushrooms from the same batch before. Potency varies from batch to batch, to the point where an eighth might be too much, or not enough. I've had amazing trips off half eighths, and unimpressing ones off eighths.

The only safe way to calibrate your dose is to start off with something that is way low, and work up from there. Since most people don't want to waste their drugs that way, they need to figure out how to estimate their own dosage based on their individual circumstances. It is impossible for somebody on the internet to determine what your (as a first time user) dose should be, because he or she has no idea how much you weigh, whether you're a guy or a girl, how low or high your natural tolerance is, etc...

I guess what I'm trying to say is, be careful giving out dose recommendations to strangers on the internet. Though well intentioned, you could do some damage if you don't know enough about the individual.

Optimal dosages from person to person vary so widely that any attempt to standardize them would be pointless and possibly dangerous to some.

This pretty much sums up with what I was going to say on the subject. So I vote a big "nay" on this proposal.