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 #1 
Old 2008-04-01, 04:04
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Default Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

I know this doesn't exactly fit the categories of BLTC, but I'll ask anyway.

http://plaza.ufl.edu/scott28/wine.html

Lets say I make the clear stuff from the BONUS: CHEAPER ALCOHOL! section, and after waiting for it to ferment I freeze it, will I result in pure alcohol in the end?

http://homedistiller.org/notstill.htm

Scroll down to the Freezing section.

Anyway, any guidance would be appreciated.
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Old 2008-04-01, 04:08
Chemical Eudaemonia Chemical Eudaemonia is offline
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Default Re: Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

you're retarded

do you know absolutely nothing about chemistry?
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Old 2008-04-01, 04:09
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Default Re: Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

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Originally Posted by Chemical Eudaemonia
you're retarded

do you know absolutely nothing about chemistry?


Haha, I expected this response. What make my logic fallacious?
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Old 2008-04-01, 04:32
Chemical Eudaemonia Chemical Eudaemonia is offline
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Default Re: Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

Haha, I expected this response. What make my logic fallacious?

Alcohol lowers the freezing point when it becomes concentrated, you dumbshit. So unless you have a freezer that can go like 200 below C you ain't gonna get pure alcohol. 20% maybe, at best.
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Old 2008-04-01, 04:44
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Default Re: Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

Temperature (F/C) % Alc.
-12.2 8
-15.0 11
-17.8 14
-12.2 8
-20.6 17
-23.3 20
-26.1 24
-28.9 27
-31.7 30
-34.4 33

Bold = Crappy wine.

According to this, I'd only need a -15 Freezer for 11% alcohol.

The water would freeze and I'd get a layer of alcohol on the top.

Your retort?
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Old 2008-04-01, 04:49
Chemical Eudaemonia Chemical Eudaemonia is offline
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Default Re: Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

Your retort?

You think 11% alcohol, 80% water, 1% yeast, and 8% sucrose is pure alcohol?

You have a lot to learn
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Old 2008-04-01, 04:56
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Default Re: Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

You think 11% alcohol, 80% water, 1% yeast, and 8% sucrose is pure alcohol?

You have a lot to learn

Water freezing point = 0

Alcohol (Ethanol) freezing point = -114

You freeze the water, ice goes to the bottom, pure alcohol at the top.

To freeze a liquid with 11% alcohol I need a -15 freezer.

I need another opinion. Anyone help?
 #8 
Old 2008-04-01, 05:34
Chemical Eudaemonia Chemical Eudaemonia is offline
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Default Re: Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

Have you fucking read nothing?


All the water does not freeze out while leaving pure alcohol behind, moron. It does not work that way no matter how retarded you try to make it seem

If you freeze 11% alcohol, you will get a slightly higher concentration while also losing some because it just got trapped between frozen water molecules.

And you should probably look up the definition of "pure", because 15% alcohol diluted in water is not pure by any means other than that there are two both pure chemicals mixed together.
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Old 2008-04-01, 05:35
007-GoldenShower 007-GoldenShower is offline
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Default Re: Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

Alcohol damages your liver. Fuck you all.
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Old 2008-04-01, 09:51
Twisted_Ferret Twisted_Ferret is offline
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Default Re: Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

Chemical Eudaemonia is correct, though he's being kind of nasty about it. :p You can only get so far by freezing.
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Old 2008-04-01, 10:47
absolutecaliber absolutecaliber is offline
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Default Re: Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

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Originally Posted by Twisted_Ferret
Chemical Eudaemonia is correct, though he's being kind of nasty about it. :p You can only get so far by freezing.


Yeah, Chemical Eudaemonia knows what he's talking about. The remaining alcohol in solution causes freezing point depression of the water, which prevents it from crystallizing at the temperature it normally does and therefore needs lower and lower temperatures to freeze as the concentration of alcohol in solution increases.
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Old 2008-04-01, 11:42
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Default Re: Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

Okay, thanks guys. :)

At least I'll have crappy wine.
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Old 2008-04-01, 19:22
stateofhack stateofhack is offline
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Default Re: Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

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Originally Posted by Chemical Eudaemonia
you're retarded

do you know absolutely nothing about chemistry?


Apparently he doesn't...gtfo and go learn something Mad
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Old 2008-04-01, 19:33
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Default Re: Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

Just make a small scale bucket distiller. So simple.
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Old 2008-04-01, 20:12
White Blue Mushrooms White Blue Mushrooms is offline
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I'd rather steal than drink that nasty stuff.
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Old 2008-04-01, 22:04
Twisted_Ferret Twisted_Ferret is offline
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Default Re: Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

Water freezing point = 0

Alcohol (Ethanol) freezing point = -114

You freeze the water, ice goes to the bottom, pure alcohol at the top.

To freeze a liquid with 11% alcohol I need a -15 freezer.

I need another opinion. Anyone help?
Oh man, I just understood where you're coming from. Yeah, this would work if a single freezing would freeze all the water out, but it does only a bit at a time. :(
 #17 
Old 2008-04-02, 02:30
spl1ff spl1ff is offline
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Default Re: Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

why bother freezing, just distill regularly.
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Old 2008-04-02, 05:47
Evil_Tree Evil_Tree is offline
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Default Re: Let me run something by you, BLTC... (Alcohol)

A handle of cheap vodka can't cost more than the supplies to make an equivalent amount of just as shitty homemade moonshine...
 
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