ok well my doctor has prescribed me ritalin and adderall before...i dont like the adderall comedown and i heard most of it is attributed to the other amphetamine salts. so should i tell my doctor that the salts make the comedown harsher and that i want pure d-amp? or does that sound suspicious ...how should i go about doing this? is it true though that dexedrine has a smoother comedown?
sorry if i dont make a whole ton of sense im high on 60 mgs. of hydrocodone

I take 30 mg of Adderall in the morning, I know what you're talking about with the comedown. I think it's more of a question of whether Adderall works for you or are you just trying to stay non-ADD/ADHD. It's up to you, doctors do about anything.

should i tell my doctor that the salts make the comedown harsher and that i want pure d-amp?

Hahahaha, yeah, tell him this.
Then come back here afterwards and post his response.
Lulz.

He's your doctor, not your dealer. Also, get some meth if you want something stronger.

Peace.

Hahahaha, yeah, tell him this.
Then come back here afterwards and post his response.
Lulz.

He's your doctor, not your dealer. Also, get some meth if you want something stronger.

Peace.

dude your dumb....that makes complete sense telling him adderall has a harsher comedown and that i want dexedrine. no fuck meth that shit is gay

ha ha ha silly noob, what's this I hear about salt in adderal. Ha. Salt doesn't get you high, amphetamine does. No wonder the comedowns are so bad, you never got high. :/
Maybe you should go back to coffee..

haha wow your the noob....my god, im talking about amphetamine salts get a brain before you judge.

ha ha ha silly noob, what's this I hear about salt in adderal. Ha. Salt doesn't get you high, amphetamine does. No wonder the comedowns are so bad, you never got high. :/
Maybe you should go back to coffee..
Um, levoamphetamine and dextroamphetamine are hcl salts dude. That's what it means. For instance, cocaine hcl is the salt form, whereas crack has had that pesky little cl ion removed to become the freebase form of the drug. Salt doesn't necessarily have to mean NaCl.

Adderal is a mixture of d-amp and l-amp salts.

anyways to everyone that has a bigger IQ than pooter please tell me the difference of comedowns between adderall and dexedrine. is dexedrine a smoother comedown because it is pure d-amp?

ha ha ha silly noob, what's this I hear about salt in adderal. Ha. Salt doesn't get you high, amphetamine does. No wonder the comedowns are so bad, you never got high. :/
Maybe you should go back to coffee..

Haha chemistry and irony.

dude your dumb....that makes complete sense telling him adderall has a harsher comedown and that i want dexedrine. no fuck meth that shit is gay

telling him that you have bad comedowns off adderall is ok but if you EVER want drugs NEVER ask for them. also show that you have no knowledge of drugs in general. if you start asking for shit they put a little mark on your medical record that never goes away. and you will never get good drugs again.

^ yeah so how should i go about doing this? should i say adderall gives me a bad comedown and i read online that the extra salts in adderall make the comedown worse, and then i heard about dexedrine and am interested in trying that out? someone please create a convo or something so i know exactly what to say so i can sweet talk him into prescribing me them

naw i wouldn't say that i have been doing research, this is what i would say.

you: dr.smith my adderall is making me feel horrible when i weres off.

dr.smith: really can you describe these feelings to me?

you: (describe them but make them sound worse then they are but dont over dramatize) then this is the key thing to say: is there any other thing i could take that would work like adderall but not make me feel so bad afterwards?

dr.smith:......


you might get it you might not.

its kind a hit or miss.

hope this helps

adderall gives me a bad comedown

Now what does that imply? If you're going to abuse it, tell him that you don't like how it feels when it wears off rather than using "comedown", which is a definite red light. He might give you other pills to cover it up, but tell him you just want one. Basically what the poster above me said. Good job, acolyte.

dude your dumb....that makes complete sense telling him adderall has a harsher comedown and that i want dexedrine.

No, you're an idiot. You don't go to your doctor and tell him your comedowns are harsh and that you want some pure dexedrine. He/she's gonna look at you like you're a fiend, and all you want it for is to get high. You have to tell them that it's not working as it used to and that a few hours after you take the pills you feel (insert comedown feelings here).

You don't use the word "comedown" or "crash", at least I wouldn't. I wouldn't use any wording that would suggest in the slightest that you are abusing these to get high. Why? Choose your words carefully so you can get what you really want - the D-amp.

ha ha ha silly noob, what's this I hear about salt in adderal. Ha. Salt doesn't get you high, amphetamine does. No wonder the comedowns are so bad, you never got high. :/
Maybe you should go back to coffee..

I lol'd

No, you're an idiot. You don't go to your doctor and tell him your comedowns are harsh and that you want some pure dexedrine. He/she's gonna look at you like you're a fiend, and all you want it for is to get high. You have to tell them that it's not working as it used to and that a few hours after you take the pills you feel (insert comedown feelings here).

You don't use the word "comedown" or "crash", at least I wouldn't. I wouldn't use any wording that would suggest in the slightest that you are abusing these to get high. Why? Choose your words carefully so you can get what you really want - the D-amp.


dude he doesn't think i abuse them...i've already told him before that they give me a bad comedown when they wear off, i mean wtf else am i supposed to call it? anways this is what im gonna say for sure:
i was looking online at a adhd website to look for adhd meds and i heard about dexedrine and how it has a smoother effect when it wears off than adderall....'

should i mention anything about the salts in adderall making it harder to comedown?

Dude, fucking pay attention to what these people are telling you. God damn. You're gonna be on Strattera in no time if you go in there on some shit like that. Don't say anything about the salts or a 'comedown'.

On a similar note, I'm in the same boat as you, and there's a hole in it. I'm on Adderall 30mg 3x daily IR tablets and was thinking about asking my doc for Dexedrine, but I'm like fuck it, why should i when i already get plenty of perfectly decent speed legally

I'd rather have Adderall than nothing at all

i've been prescribed everything else thats why hes not gonna prescribe me strattera or anything else..... my god i'm not telling him that im getting high im just gonna tell him that i read online that dexedrine has less side effects than adderall... i really dont see why he wont prescribe them to me when he used to prescribe me sleeping pills even after i od'd on them

anyways i dont think my doctor is to concerned for prescribing it to me, because he knows my mom locks up all of the medicines.

good thing i didnt listen to you guys, you guys dont know shit.... i mentioned about the salts and comedown. and now i'm prescribed dexedrine XR and valium

ok now that i got them whats a good dose to tweak? when i took adderall it would take me around 100 mgs. to get the tweaking feeling i was looking for....so would that be equivalent to 95 mgs. of dexedrine or what?

dexedrine should be about twice as potent as adderall. I get 10mgs of addys 2x a day. Next month when visiting my doctor Ill tell him that I need to take 2 at once to really sit down and study and that it lasts a very short time and I don't get enough done. I have IR btw. He will probably end up giving me a script for 10mg 3x daily. I'm not sure how to push it so I would get something like 30mg IR 3x daily unless I keep going back and saying that it still feels too weak. I have a very "conservative" or "good" doctor btw that goes step by step in prescribing me shit. I've seen him for 5 months working my way from shitty SSRI's to ritalin, getting that bumped up pretty good, now to adderall.

^ its kind of hard to imagine its twice as strong when adderall is 75% dextroamphetamine and 25% of amphetamine salts....so basically its the same thing as adderall but no salts, so i would'nt go so far as to say twice as strong...does anyone else know of a more logical equivalency?

Bump..... someone please tell me a good dosage for dexedrine that would be roughly equivalent to 100 mgs. of adderall.

Ugh, Pooter, what the fuck man. I expected better of you.


The "salt mixture" pills would have a LESS harsh comedown due to the different absorption rates of the different salts. Asking for a single salt form, which would most likely be HCl, instead of a mixture would indicate that you WANT that euphoria, and your Dr. would know you are lying about comedown if you approach it that way.


What you want is to say that it lasts too long, and you can't sleep etc, feel jittery or restless long after the day is through, and they will be more likely to give you the faster acting single salt dextro rotary version. Saying you have comedowns is only going to get your dose lowered, or put you on some type of different time release, such as vyvanse or some shit.


And the term salt, for the record indicates a base alkaloid molecule that has been ionically bonded to some type of low PH ion such as HCl H2SO4 or any of the shit tons of acids out there, tartrate, citrate etc. Amp salts refers to a mixture of many types of salts. Go look at the www.rxlist.com page on adderall and you will see exactly which salts are used, and why.

I was trolling.

like i said i didn't listen to you guys and talked about the comedown and the salt shit and i still got prescribed that and valium.....anyways whats a good dose for this if 100 mgs. of adderall is what it takes to get me a good tweak... anyways i thought that the l-amp salt in adderall made the comedown worse... so dexedrine actually has a worse comedown?

I was trolling.


good job at covering up your stupidity

In defense of pooter I don't think anyone could actually be that dumb, so i took it as a joke from the beginning.

good job at covering up your stupidity

That's funny, because if that were the case, that would mean that I have been paid(credit) to work in a university lab for the past year without knowing simple chemistry.

Is it just me or does this thread induce deep feelings of hatred towards automaticmojo

i didnt read the whole thread but the whole pill is a fucking salt HCL. but its the levoamphetamine that the shitty racemic part dexedrine is the good shit.

I fail at detecting sarcasm, but I knew pooter was smarter than that.

You stupid fuck. You spent 3 pages telling people you wanted these because your regular dose of adderall had shitty comedowns. You make it seem as though you took them in medical doses for medical reasons. You said you don't/don't want to get high and need advice for a medical condition.

Now you ask "how much to tweek"!!??

Fuck you/Die.

Fail.

^ i never said shit about medicinal use... i'm asking how much to tweak, someone that actually knows please tell me

why do you have deep feelings of hatred towards me when you dont even know me?

why do you have deep feelings of hatred towards me when you dont even know me?

why do you double post? do you not know how to use the edit button?

^ no i never figured out how to quote two people at the same time so i just make two posts because i'm an idiot.. anyways someone tell me a dose of dexedrine that would be equivalent to 80-100 mgs. of adderall

ok well this is fucked up no pharmacy in my town carries dexedrine, and everytime my mom calls a pharmacy to ask if they have it they reply with a rude NO, as if its some hardcore drug and my mom is some hardcore drug addict, basically i'm the only person in a town of 260,000 people that is prescribed dexedrine and i cant even fucking get it for when school starts.

God you make my head hurt.
go kill yourself.

^ fuck you shithead...seriously someone tell me a good dose equivalent to 100 mgs. of adderall

i think a GTFO TOTSE is more than adequate here.

^ fuck you, jesus why is everyone so pissy i've been asking like 5 times what 100 mgs of adderall is equivalent to in dexedrine and people like you keep wasting your time posting in here without giving me any dosage info

just keep tinkering with your dose till u find a good one. Id say about 40 mg.

wow holy shit someone said something helpful for once...
thanks man... it says on erowid though that 30 mgs. of adderall is equivalent to 25 mgs. of dexedrine... so i think your wrong cuz if that is correct than 95 mgs. of dexedrine would be equal to 100 mgs. of adderall not 40 mgs.

Its because you dont fucking listen, you ask a question and ignore good answers. Then you quadruple post and refuse to do anything else. Overall youre just fucking useless.

no there was no good answers here, you guys told me to say nothing about comedowns and the salts, and i did and i still got prescribed dexedrine AND valium....also noone really seems to know shit about dosages and your pissing me off close this thread

wow holy shit someone said something helpful for once...
thanks man... it says on erowid though that 30 mgs. of adderall is equivalent to 25 mgs. of dexedrine... so i think your wrong cuz if that is correct than 95 mgs. of dexedrine would be equal to 100 mgs. of adderall not 40 mgs.

If 30mg adderall is the same as 25mg dex then 100mg adderall is 83mg dex. Im not sure about how good that ratio is though.

Just take 40-50 and tinker around to find a good dose for you like people have already told you.

Also stop being such a demanding faggot who doesn't pay attention to advice. Seriously I don't even know why I am helping you. Listen to the people with real experience who will tell you everyone is different and to start with 40-50 ish and you can always take some more once it has come on.

If 30mg adderall is the same as 25mg dex then 100mg adderall is 83mg dex. Im not sure about how good that ratio is though.

Just take 40-50 and tinker around to find a good dose for you like people have already told you.

Also stop being such a demanding faggot who doesn't pay attention to advice. Seriously I don't even know why I am helping you. Listen to the people with real experience who will tell you everyone is different and to start with 40-50 ish and you can always take some more once it has come on.

yeah i know i'm being a jackass... its cuz i've been taking hydrocodone so much lately... but anyways thanks for the advice even though im being a douche in this thread

Alright dude, I was in the same dilemma as you not too long ago.

I'm not gonna read 5 pages of posts, so if anyone else said this then whatever.

Your doctor probably isn't the same as my doc, so this may or may not work for you but all I know is it worked for me (switching from adderall to dex) so I'll give you my experience.

What I did was sat down and had a discussion with him, not demanding or anything. Came off as completely calm, looked him in the eye, etc.

I mentioned that Adderall XR worked great for me for the first six hours. Worked as intended. However, after about 8 hours it started giving me harsh side effects such as unnaturally fast heart rate, nervousness, sweating, and an overall 'bad' feeling. I was curious what these side effects were caused by, and why the med worked so well initially then just sucked. I told him I read about "levo" isomers, and let him lead the convo from there with suggestions and so forth. Eventually I mentioned that I read about this drug called "dexedrine" (mispronounced so it looks like you have no idea what it is) and that it does not contain these levo isomers. I said that I'd like to give it a shot for a month to see if these side effects were caused by the Levo isomer in adderall. He said sure, yada yada and I've been satisfied since.

It's important that your doc trusts you, because if you're just coming to him to get free drugs it's GOING to come off that way. Eye contact is essential, also try not to fidget too much.

Keep in mind that it is a doctors ROOT function to improve their patient's quality of life. If you come to him and say that "hey, this stuff worked well but I didnt like X or Y about it. I've done a little research and found Z and thought maybe it would work better for me, if it doesn't then we can switch back" 9 times out of 10 they will say okay. Your doctor prescribed stims before, and unless hes a new doctor then he definitely will remember the name Dexedrine.

Ah, genuine, stereotypical BLTC. This has just about everything a thread needs in it. Stupidity, lulz, some intelligence, flame wars, lulz...

damn dude, where the fuck you been?

is dexedrine cheaper than adderall? i mean its been around since what like the 40's? one of my friends said that older drugs like dexedrine are more expensive because they don't make very much of them because there asn't any demand.

The name brand Glaxo Smith and Kline stuff is just as expensive as name brand Adderall.

$115 to fill a 60 pill script of 15mg's each (spansules). However, the only differences between the name brand and the off brand stuff seem to be in the extended release spansules. If you get instant release then you can get the generics for hella cheap and they're just as effective. I got a script of 60 generics (same dose) for 15 bucks, but since they were spansules the difference between the two was huge. The generics were even crappier than Adderall, but the Glaxo Smith and Kline are heavenly. Smooth as glass (the stuff windows are made of, ya know?), very little come down but they'll cost ya unless you can weasel your insurance into paying for em.

Good luck.

damn dude, where the fuck you been?

the streetz

the streetz

Yea man i remember that, did you go through with your whole living on the streets plan?

Yea man i remember that, did you go through with your whole living on the streets plan?

what? you remember what? I had a plan? oh hell. what have I told you? who do you work for?

I deny everything,

I want my lawyer!

what? you remember what? I had a plan? oh hell. what have I told you? who do you work for?

I deny everything,

I want my lawyer!

Woah, since when is Rizzo back? You were like my favorite poster back in the day.

Woah, since when is Rizzo back? You were like my favorite poster back in the day.

yeah I was my favorite poster too until I turned into a douche :(

yeah I was my favorite poster too until I turned into a douche :(

hahaha

what? you remember what? I had a plan? oh hell. what have I told you? who do you work for?

I deny everything,

I want my lawyer!

50 mill, got you on tape, you cant deny proof!

50 mill, got you on tape, you cant deny proof!

give them over!

you will obey!

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I think OP should just ask for bulk powder. Pics tambien.

huh, funny guy, good sarcasm....i already got the script though, dude... does anyone know if the comedown from dexedrine xr is as worse as adderall xr because it has no salts? because i dont know if i want it or not cuz the comedown on adderall isn't to pleasant and my brain has this "fried" feeling during the comedown even on low doses and i generally just feel really dull.

I'm on Strattera, and yeah, It's bullshit.

huh, funny guy, good sarcasm....i already got the script though, dude... does anyone know if the comedown from dexedrine xr is as worse as adderall xr because it has no salts? because i dont know if i want it or not cuz the comedown on adderall isn't to pleasant and my brain has this "fried" feeling during the comedown even on low doses and i generally just feel really dull.


Mother fucker I already explained this shit to you once. IT STILL HAS A FUCKING SALT. Jesus christ. Go read my other post in this thread, it explains it. Jesus fucking christ you are stupid. Do you think your doctor is prescribing you some type of form of amphetamine that defies the laws of physics and is NOT a salt, yet still a solid? Are they frozen tabs? No. It's fucking pills. Amphetamine hydrochloride, which is a god damn salt.


If you want to use the terminology to try and sound smart, at least have half a fucking clue what you are talking about.


If you can't understand basic high school chemistry I don't think you should really be taking drugs in the first fucking place. If you can't grasp a concept as simple as ionic bonds then how the fuck do you expect to properly and safely dose yourself? How do you not stab yourself in the face with a pen when you sign your name?

automaticmojo, you dumbfuck. Don't you know the way to find out how much to take would be to test it out on yourself, and not read a bunch of shit online? Shit everyones different and you're just gonna have to see how much is good. You stupid fuck you probably think you're an expert on drugs cause you read about it online all day.
You're probably a chronic masturbator who is addicted to black porn and makes out with guys then says "oh it was only cause I was was drunk". And also you get pissed about what people on totse say to you which is also retarded because you can't take seriously what 75% of people post here. Stupid fucking noob get a brain. At least you got prescribed the shit but your mommy will probably lock it up and monitor you taking it so she makes sure you're not trying to get fucked up. Then you say "oh mommy I want to tweek"not spelling TWEAK right in the first place and thats probably not exactly what you say but your mom probably knows thats why you want something stronger you stupid fuck.
/thread

haha, maybe i cant test it out cuz i dont have it yet shithead....me a noob? i've tweaked more times then you have, and no i dont look at black porn all the time, but yes i did have a period where i would have a fetish for black chicks....and no i dont read about drugs all day i like to go research in depth on the drugs i'm taking... and yes i was drunk as fuck and made out with a ONE gay guy, so what, i got over that like 3 years ago. at least my scrotum isn't the size of a skintag.


yay i guess i'll just take the money you gave me and spend it all on ativan for myself, bri-boy

and you end this thread, i hate it... oh yeah get a brain? i'm not the one who gets got smoking pot all the time

Lol you made out with a gay guy. Nice attempts to talk shit but it's not working. Lol I was just fucking around anyway but still it was funny.

i dont even think i talked shit once except saying you get caught smoking all the time,, and yeah i made out with a gay guy when i was drunk, oh well shit happens life goes on, not really too offended by the retarted shit talking. but yeah your retarted those guys at the skatepark were trying to rip us off i told you not to buy them...there's no generic oxycontin 80's it ONLY OC... good thing i told you not to buy that shit dumbass...seriously though that skintag shits pretty funny, you gotta admit...and yes i'm a chronic masturbator so is everyone else.

wrong place to come out Mojo. This is totse, not myspace

Holy shit this thread reeks of gay now.

um i'm not even gay, i just did a bisexual tendency one time in my life which i regret but am far over it. fucking homophobe

um i'm not even gay, i just did a bisexual tendency one time in my life which i regret but am far over it. fucking homophobe

You did a bisexual tendency? What? Dude you had another guys tongue all up in your shit. You are a fag.

Hahahaha oooh thats funny shit. I know automaticmojo so thats how I knew that shit. Once I read this whole thread I was motivated to talk shit to him cause everyone else did. I'm actually his friend but it was just too funny.

Basically youre asking does crystal meth have a worst come down than regular amphetamine or dexedrine.Same principle.Dude if somethings is 2 to 3 times as strong as something else,guess what,the comdeown's gunna be 2-3 times worst.I tweaked off 120 mg adderall,it only took me like 60 mg of dexi to get the same effect.Somewhere between half -3/4 of your regular dose for adderall,should work.Also I dont know one doc in this world that would prescribe a benzo with a hard ass amphetamine.Later

for fuck's sake...