I was thinking about this earlier today... would it be legal for a coffee shop type place to sell beverages with this stuff in it? I know you can buy raw coca leaf tea bags in the United States legally http://tinyurl.com/yw9k5c but that's really catered toward personal use it seems. In my area a new coffee shop with the same trendy shit as starbucks and all is popping up atleast once a month, and nearly all of them just go under almost immediately. I think if you opened a place that sold a variety of beverages with this stuff in it, you could get a leg up.

Is there any legality difference in ordering large quantities of the raw leaf as opposed to those boxes of tea bags? They are pretty expensive to buy that way, but I don't see any limit on how much of it you are actually allowed to purchase. I'd imagine the price would go down quite a lot if you were ordering in bulk. places like starbucks charge ridiculous prices for their products, so if you kept that overhead cost down, I think you'd be pretty inline as a competitor.

opinions?

IANAL, but I do know that ordering kilos of coca leaves will get you a visit from the DEA.

Ya I can see suspicion/investigation resulting from ordering a lot of the stuff, but what if all the use of it was proven legitimate? The main thing I'm trying to determine here is whether it is legal to serve products containing it in a public establishment. I think I read somewhere that the reason Coca-Cola quit using it was because it got to expensive, not because of legal pressure. If you were ordering kilos of the stuff and you were questioned, and you were open with authorities about your entire operation, would it be OK?

This is a business venture that I would be pretty interested in if it'd legally work. I personally dislike the caffeine buzz that coffee shop drinks give me, so I'm sure there are other people feel the same way. They feel like what I picture the onset of a heart attack being like, rather than a functional and quick pick-me-up.

anymore input?

^A couple of years ago there was a brand of coca tea in health food stores that claimed to be "decocanized" but it actually wasn't. When the dea found out they put a stop to it right quick. I think like poppy pods it's kind of a look the other way type of thing. If you actually intend to sell it you're going to hit into problems.

To add a further note, I remember reading somewhere that the coca cola company is the only business that is allowed to import coca leaves by the truckload. Once in America, the leaves go straight to their coca leaf factory where the leaves are stripped of the their coke content, and then sent to all the other plants where they actually make the pop.

They quit putting coca in coca cola like 50 years ago?

They quit putting coca in coca cola like 50 years ago?

You didn't read my post correctly. I know that coca cola hasn't contained any actual cocaine alkaloid in years. I may not be a chemist, but I'm not retarded either. I said that the leaves are shipped into the country where they go to a factory on the east coast. This factory's only function is to "decocainize" the leaves then ship them to the bottling plants across the US

well damit. Oh well I guess it was worth the consideration. I've actually never even purchased the tea bags but I hear they are legit and worth atleast trying. Might have to do that when I get some money.

I enjoy the benefits of look-the-other-way politics towards poppy pods. Just got a pound of em a couple weeks ago (=

You have a good idea, just the wrong location. We Americans LOVE our coffee. Tea isn't nearly popular. It all goes back to the tea taxes laid down by the English on Americans. Not to mention our government's determination to eradicate the coca plant off the face of the earth.

Right idea, wrong place.

I hear ya gmail. It seems like 75% of people you see in the morning are carrying a steamy cup bearing one company logo or another. I didn't mean I wanted to start some kind of quaint little English "tea time" place. Coffee and the various sweet brewed things would be served, but coca would be available in different possibilities as well. I've enjoyed making strange and unusual drink combos for a few years now, and I'm quite good at it when I'm stoned with a well stocked bar at my disposal (= but all that is hypothetical now I suppose. I am still interested in getting some of the stuff for personal use to see what it's like though.


the thing about the healthfood store coca tea makes me wonder... do you guys suppose that essentially all coca tea products that are accessible on reputable sites like amazon are decocanized to gov standards?
http://tinyurl.com/3cxyt2 The wikipedia article talks about the process being done to meet government regulations. It says that like decaffing coffee, a small amount is still left behind. I've read about people putting a few tea bags in with liquor on the rocks to keep from getting drowsy. Does this work with the decocanized leaf, or would that only be worthwhile with leaf that hadn't been chemically altered?
http://www.cocatea.com/ has quite the variety of products with no mention of decocanizing, but their policy page also says that it is the buyer's responsibility to see that any product they order isn't prohibited. If it's seized by a customs agency, you are not entitled to a refund. That site has some fairly decent prices on powdered leaf and whatnot (given it's not decocanized). Should I just not even bother trying to order there? Or is it a place your order and pray that it makes it through type deal? That's the impression I got when ordering mj seeds a while back... tried 2 times and the first time they got taken and the second they got through (more discreet packaging I think). This would be a substantially larger item to be discreet with though.

Any input on where I could get some chemically unaltered leaf? I want to find some powdered cause I use a french press, but tea bags or w/e works too.

the thing about the healthfood store coca tea makes me wonder... do you guys suppose that essentially all coca tea products that are accessible on reputable sites like amazon are decocanized to gov standards?


Why not order some straight from south america? Yeah cocanized coca tea isn't exactly legal but if you aren't ordering metric ton loads of it you aren't going to be making any cocaine and even then you'd need a lot. I doubt they really care the worse that happens is they seize your package.

I hear ya gmail. It seems like 75% of people you see in the morning are carrying a steamy cup bearing one company logo or another.

Funny you said that. I read a statistic that said 75% of Americans are dependent on caffeine. I'm one of them (when my adderall script runs out)

I don't know if an of you remember HeaT but he ordered something like 100 bags to a friend's house a while back and a couple of DEA agents showed up a said friends house so be careful with it if you do.

They quit putting coca in coca cola like 50 years ago?

I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, that they used to coca leaves as flavoring AND processed cocaine in the drink. It was first made as a health tonic that would be taken for any health problem, and it sure as hell made people feel better.


Excerpt from Wikipedia article:

Use of Stimulants in Formula.

The beverage was named Coca-Cola because, originally, the stimulant mixed in the beverage was coca leaves from South America, which the drug cocaine is derived from. In addition, the drink was flavored using kola nuts, also acting as the beverage's source of caffeine. Pemberton called for five ounces of coca leaf per gallon of syrup, a significant dose, whereas, in 1891, Candler claimed his formula (altered extensively from Pemberton's original) contained only a tenth of this amount. Coca-Cola did once contain an estimated nine milligrams of cocaine per glass, but in 1903 it was removed. After 1904, Coca-Cola started using, instead of fresh leaves, "spent" leaves - the leftovers of the cocaine-extraction process with cocaine trace levels left over at a molecular level. To this day, Coca-Cola uses as an ingredient a non-narcotic coca leaf extract prepared at a Stepan Company plant in Maywood, New Jersey. In the United States, Stepan Company is the only manufacturing plant authorized by the Federal Government to import and process the coca plant.

well if i was going to order leaf from outa the country I'd probably go through that www.cocatea.com site. psuedogunslinger says it would be worth a try ordering if I don't mind the risk of being out the $, and FRESH says I could potentially have DEA folk at my door to chat about it. someone who may live in my residence might be cultivating a fungus that they would take even further interest in, so I'll have to think on that one a bit.

anyone else wanna vouch for the safety or lack thereof with ordering unaltered leaf into the States?

I ordered 100 bags off ebay and I got a visit from nobody. I'm cool like that. 1 bag of coca + 1 bag of green tea + an average sized coffee cup filled with boiling water = fucking awesome taste

can't find any products on ebay at this time. But again, if they are on ebay, won't they be decocanized? Taste is a good attribute, but if I'm gonna buy this stuff I'd like it to not be altered to almost negligable alkaloid content.

I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, that they used to coca leaves as flavoring AND processed cocaine in the drink. It was first made as a health tonic that would be taken for any health problem, and it sure as hell made people feel better.


Excerpt from Wikipedia article:

Use of Stimulants in Formula.

The beverage was named Coca-Cola because, originally, the stimulant mixed in the beverage was coca leaves from South America, which the drug cocaine is derived from. In addition, the drink was flavored using kola nuts, also acting as the beverage's source of caffeine. Pemberton called for five ounces of coca leaf per gallon of syrup, a significant dose, whereas, in 1891, Candler claimed his formula (altered extensively from Pemberton's original) contained only a tenth of this amount. Coca-Cola did once contain an estimated nine milligrams of cocaine per glass, but in 1903 it was removed. After 1904, Coca-Cola started using, instead of fresh leaves, "spent" leaves - the leftovers of the cocaine-extraction process with cocaine trace levels left over at a molecular level. To this day, Coca-Cola uses as an ingredient a non-narcotic coca leaf extract prepared at a Stepan Company plant in Maywood, New Jersey. In the United States, Stepan Company is the only manufacturing plant authorized by the Federal Government to import and process the coca plant.

exactly taken from wikipedia. although i dont completely dismiss this because it is corporate america, but how is it that a business can break a serious drug law. doesnt make sense. if i was an employee id be dipping into the inventory.so much to worry about a internal procedure fuck up. maybe but highly doubtful they just dont enforce the law on them?

everything about coke and leaves is illegal. the only way it could be legal is if its done out of country then brought in after processing. maybe if theres clinical trials it would make it semi legal there could be a way around it. but even then the restrictions and requirements are ridiculous. look at the mdma trials as an example. its not like you can make it a broad trial and say we want to see if it makes our customers happy.

exactly taken from wikipedia. although i dont completely dismiss this because it is corporate america, but how is it that a business can break a serious drug law. doesnt make sense. if i was an employee id be dipping into the inventory.so much to worry about a internal procedure fuck up. maybe but highly doubtful they just dont enforce the law on them?

everything about coke and leaves is illegal. the only way it could be legal is if its done out of country then brought in after processing. maybe if theres clinical trials it would make it semi legal there could be a way around it. but even then the restrictions and requirements are ridiculous. look at the mdma trials as an example. its not like you can make it a broad trial and say we want to see if it makes our customers happy.

It's not breaking a law if it has had Federal Authorisation to do so. Don't forget that coca cola have been doing this since long before Cocaine was criminalized, and because it was a large, legitimate corporation the government probably just thought "screw it".

Employee's dipping into the inventory probably isn't much of a problem. You seriously think that they are just going to have people sat there unsupervised handling vast quantities of coca leaf?

A close friend of mine works in a drug warehouse. Even in the unrestricted drug area the place is full of cameras. If any stock goes missing then a police investigation is launched immediately. There is a controlled drugs room, but only a few people have access to it and it has big bombproof doors and shit. If the security at the coca cola processing plant is anywhere near as strict as that, they would have an easier time killing all the staff and getting away with it than getting their hands on any unrefined coca extract.

exactly taken from wikipedia. although i dont completely dismiss this because it is corporate america, but how is it that a business can break a serious drug law. doesnt make sense. if i was an employee id be dipping into the inventory.so much to worry about a internal procedure fuck up. maybe but highly doubtful they just dont enforce the law on them?

everything about coke and leaves is illegal. the only way it could be legal is if its done out of country then brought in after processing. maybe if theres clinical trials it would make it semi legal there could be a way around it. but even then the restrictions and requirements are ridiculous. look at the mdma trials as an example. its not like you can make it a broad trial and say we want to see if it makes our customers happy.

Also lets not forget that cocaine is a schedule 2 drug, and is used in some hospital enviroments. The cocaine from the plant in new jersey is likely used for this, instead of imported smugler cocaine from south america.

You didn't read my post correctly. I know that coca cola hasn't contained any actual cocaine alkaloid in years. I may not be a chemist, but I'm not retarded either. I said that the leaves are shipped into the country where they go to a factory on the east coast. This factory's only function is to "decocainize" the leaves then ship them to the bottling plants across the US
No, caffeine replaced it like 50 years ago. The purpose of coca in coca-cola was to produce a stimulating effect, this is why caffiene took its place. There would be no point in putting coca stripped of its alkaloids. They do not use COCA AT ALL ANYMORE IN THE PRODUCTION OF COCA-COLA.
Shit maybe im wrong though. The "natural flavors"(in the ingredients) could be the coca leaves stripped of alkaloids. Does this mean coca cola conducts business with people who produce cocaine? Someone has to extract the cocaine?
Ingredients: Carbonated water,High fructose corn syrup(type of sugar may be dif in other countries) Caramel color,Phosphoric acid,natural flavors, caffiene.
Caffiene content:34mg/12 fl oz

The stuff on ebay has cocaine in it. The stuff I got was shipped from Bolivia.

No, caffeine replaced it like 50 years ago. The purpose of coca in coca-cola was to produce a stimulating effect, this is why caffiene took its place. There would be no point in putting coca stripped of its alkaloids. They do not use COCA AT ALL ANYMORE IN THE PRODUCTION OF COCA-COLA.

Ingredients: Carbonated water,High fructose corn syrup(type of sugar may be dif in other countries) Caramel color,Phosphoric acid,natural flavors, caffiene.
Caffiene content:34mg/12 fl oz

Reread those ingredients. Coca extract is on there, you just gotta know what to look for.

EDIT: caffeine was always in Coca-Cola. Coca = coca and Cola = kola

No, caffeine replaced it like 50 years ago. The purpose of coca in coca-cola was to produce a stimulating effect, this is why caffiene took its place. There would be no point in putting coca stripped of its alkaloids. They do not use COCA AT ALL ANYMORE IN THE PRODUCTION OF COCA-COLA.
Shit maybe im wrong though. The "natural flavors"(in the ingredients) could be the coca leaves stripped of alkaloids. Does this mean coca cola conducts business with people who produce cocaine? Someone has to extract the cocaine?
Ingredients: Carbonated water,High fructose corn syrup(type of sugar may be dif in other countries) Caramel color,Phosphoric acid,natural flavors, caffiene.
Caffiene content:34mg/12 fl oz

It can't have been 50 years ago, then it would have been illegal since cocaine was banned in 1914 if I'm correct (not any later atleast). Also, the name Coca-Cola came from two different plants, the coca plant of course, and the cola bean. The cola bean is a natural source of caffeine, something all colas are made of. So the caffeine has always been there. The "natural flavors" in the ingredients list can include decocaed coca leaf. Yes it could mean the coca cola company does business with people who produce cocaine. If you read this thread, we already discussed it. There's a plant in New Jersey which imports coca leaves, extracts the cocaine, sends the leafs to bottling plants, and most likely sends the cocaine to the pharmacutical industry.

The stuff on ebay has cocaine in it. The stuff I got was shipped from Bolivia.



Reread those ingredients. Coca extract is on there, you just gotta know what to look for.

EDIT: caffeine was always in Coca-Cola. Coca = coca and Cola = kola
no coca extract is not specified on there. The only thing the kola and coca flavors could be under is natural flavors.

It can't have been 50 years ago, then it would have been illegal since cocaine was banned in 1914 if I'm correct (not any later atleast). Also, the name Coca-Cola came from two different plants, the coca plant of course, and the cola bean. The cola bean is a natural source of caffeine, something all colas are made of. So the caffeine has always been there. The "natural flavors" in the ingredients list can include decocaed coca leaf. Yes it could mean the coca cola company does business with people who produce cocaine. If you read this thread, we already discussed it. There's a plant in New Jersey which imports coca leaves, extracts the cocaine, sends the leafs to bottling plants, and most likely sends the cocaine to the pharmacutical industry.

I am not sure but are lidocaine and novacaine snthetic or naturally derived from the coca plant? Becuase if there is a factory here extracting it and shipping it to the pharm industry that could be the purpose of it. I am not sure how the two are produce but maybe they need a precursor(the actives in coca) to produce the anesthetics like lidocaine and novacaine.

no coca extract is not specified on there. The only thing the kola and coca flavors could be under is natural flavors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kola_nut#History

Go get a fucking clue then come back and argue. That's like saying there's no coffee bean in coffee.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kola_nut#History

Go get a fucking clue then come back and argue. That's like saying there's no coffee bean in coffee.

Dude dont get all fucking pissy with me. I WAS JUST FUCKING SAYING THEY DO NOT SPECIFY THAT IT IS IN THERE. It just says natural flavors. If you want to get all pissy about it take it up with coca cola because if they do not specify then how the fuck am I supposd to know?


The basic “cola” taste from Coca-Cola and competing cola drinks comes mainly from vanilla and cinnamon; distinctive tastes among various brands are the result of trace flavorings such as orange, lime and lemon and spices such as nutmeg.
interesting, so the natural flavoring is other things to.

Yeah, he got arrested recently.

Also, everybody should stop posting sources. Some of those sites are fucking selling coca leaf extracts.

And why make tea? Empty out a kilos worth of leaf and extract that shit for the best coke of your life. I usually get 1.2g per Key.

Dude dont get all fucking pissy with me. I WAS JUST FUCKING SAYING THEY DO NOT SPECIFY THAT IT IS IN THERE. It just says natural flavors. If you want to get all pissy about it take it up with coca cola because if they do not specify then how the fuck am I supposd to know?

They specify that Coca-Cola contains kola because its a cola drink. You're susposed to know that out of commen knowledge. If you didn't know that cola drinks come from kola, then you shouldn't be arguing cola. Just to show your expertise on cola.

no coca extract is not specified on there. The only thing the kola and coca flavors could be under is natural flavors.

That's what I was referring to. I'm assuming that includes the coca and kola, because I know they still use coca.

Yeah, he got arrested recently.

Also, everybody should stop posting sources. Some of those sites are fucking selling coca leaf extracts.

And why make tea? Empty out a kilos worth of leaf and extract that shit for the best coke of your life. I usually get 1.2g per Key.

Speaking of coca leaf extracts, anyone buy them? I was thinking about getting that coca liquor that's sold on one of the more popular sites.

I make tea because it tastes good. Coca and green tea taste great together.