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Backyard Ballistics This forum is dedicated to the safe teaching and responsible handling of high and low explosives. You will not find any information on how to make "bombs" or any such device(s) . Backyard ballistics will teach you the science and the art of pyrotechnics and how to manufacture and use explosives/pyrotechnics safely and responsibly. Backyard ballistics is also a haven for rocketry and pneumatic cannons. All information contained within this forum is for educational purposes ONLY. Totse does not accept responsiblity for any incident involving the use of the information contained within this forum.

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Old 2008-03-25, 04:46
Deyor Deyor is offline
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Default Aluminum and sand

If I had some aluminum powder and somehow some sand managed to get into it, what would be the most effective way to remove the sand? assuming its going to be used for therm will it even effect the mixture?

Sorry I'm not sure that this is the right place, but it seemed like the best bet.
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Old 2008-03-25, 05:09
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Moving to Backyard Ballistics.............
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Old 2008-03-25, 05:43
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How much sand we talking here? Like estimated % by weight?
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Old 2008-03-25, 05:46
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Default Re: Aluminum and sand

Moving to Backyard Ballistics.............

Thank you if that is the right place, I wasn't sure so thank you hope I wasn't too much trouble
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Old 2008-03-25, 05:48
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How much sand we talking here? Like estimated % by weight?


I would say probably around 15-20% of it is sand but its a dyed blue sand and the pieces are substantially bigger then the flakes of dust are.
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Old 2008-03-25, 05:55
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mah compound
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Water...........
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Old 2008-03-25, 07:16
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what kind of partical size we talking for the Al is it powder or is it flake or some home brewed crap ... any pictures ? and are we talking mechanical seperation or chemical seperation ? if it is commercially made i assume it is coated in a bit of oil to prevent oxidation as well more info would be nice
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Old 2008-03-25, 07:25
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Default Re: Aluminum and sand

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what kind of partical size we talking for the Al is it powder or is it flake or some home brewed crap ... any pictures ? and are we talking mechanical seperation or chemical seperation ? if it is commercially made i assume it is coated in a bit of oil to prevent oxidation as well more info would be nice


Its the homebrew crap with an unknown particle size using the angle grinder and sander method (Which is more effective then people think), any type of easy separation that can be done at home quick and easy,

what was stupidnoob saying about water?
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Old 2008-03-25, 08:02
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I'd use a sieve, like window screen, though really it isn't going to be too effective based on your particle sizes.

Find some places that do metalworking and mill, sand, drill, etc aluminum and other metals, its a much easier way. Chances are that you can even tell them you want to try to make thermite. Such places usually have a whole lot of powder, saw chips, and ribbons from various metals...
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Old 2008-03-25, 10:29
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Just have a fan blow lightly over a pile of your stuff, the Al will move on slowly while the sand stays behind.
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Old 2008-03-25, 17:25
TheAlmightyVineMan TheAlmightyVineMan is offline
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Default Re: Aluminum and sand

If the sand grains are large enough you could use water or alcohol to separate most of it.
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Old 2008-03-27, 07:40
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If you put it into a decent bit of water a swirl it around the sand should fall and settle first
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Old 2008-03-27, 17:20
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Water...........

doesn't powdered aluminium have a chance of spontaneously combusting with water?
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Old 2008-03-27, 17:26
iceshrike iceshrike is offline
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doesn't powdered aluminium have a chance of spontaneously combusting with water?

No.

Fine mesh Al in my experience floats on salty water.
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Old 2008-03-27, 18:18
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Default Re: Aluminum and sand

No.


So would I be better using salt water or alcohol for this separation?

Floats better on water, dries faster with alcohol.
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Old 2008-03-27, 18:38
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Pan that shit like a prospector.
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Old 2008-03-28, 14:33
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Pan that shit like a prospector.


Exactly.
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Old 2008-04-01, 06:25
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Default Re: Aluminum and sand

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Just have a fan blow lightly over a pile of your stuff, the Al will move on slowly while the sand stays behind.


I'm no expert. However, it strikes me as a bad idea to mix fans and powdered aluminum? I mean, done right it obviously wouldn't cause a problem, but if you turned the fan on a wee bit too high you might get a nice ol' cloud of aluminum dust? If I recall, those don't mix well with sparks, static, etc?

I imagine it would be like a miniature flour mill blowing up. Perhaps more powerful (per volume), due to that fact it's our old friend aluminum?

Or perhaps you were joking? I'm a little sloooowww tonight...
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Old 2008-04-01, 07:26
asilentbob asilentbob is offline
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The aluminum is from a grinder... its much too course to present a problem.
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Old 2008-04-01, 18:13
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Default Re: Aluminum and sand

I'm no expert. However, it strikes me as a bad idea to mix fans and powdered aluminum? I mean, done right it obviously wouldn't cause a problem, but if you turned the fan on a wee bit too high you might get a nice ol' cloud of aluminum dust?

Well, there's that "lightly" clause in there :p

Fan method dates back to biblical times to clear out grains.

I suppose you could just pile it up some on a sheet of paper, and lightl shake/tap to get the Al off.
 
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