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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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 2008-03-14, 18:20 |
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 Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
(I'm not talking about adderal here boys, please don't bring it up)
Some of the chem nuts on the internet seem to think that because methamphetamine metabolizes into amphetamine, you might as well just use amphetamine if that is what you can get.
I was always under the impression that the faster a molecule can penetrate the BBB, the moar euphoria is created.
I'm going to assume the methyl group on methamphetamine can be compared to the methyl group on methylmethaqualone (hits harder), and even dextromethorphan (this is probally incorrect).
It would seem to be that methamphetamine hits the BBB harder then amphetamine, thus creating moar euphoria.
I have never done amphetamine, but can obtain it. I wonder if it's worth it.
Now for the adderal discussion:
Adderal has never made me spun, and I have taken it orally/intranasally up to 200mg. It makes me twacked out, but I do not get spun. I do not feel any euphoria, I feel a big lift in self esteem, but I am looking for euphoria. Motherfucking propylhexedrine gives me moar euphoria then adderall!
So what's the deal nig nogs?
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#2
2008-03-14, 18:25 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
I've never gotten any euphoria from adderall, I just use it to focus and study. It's pretty common knowledge that its not supposed to give you euphoria. As far as I know anyhow. But I really don't know much about the chemistry so I'll stop talking.
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#3
2008-03-14, 18:26 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
Drugz r bad
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2008-03-14, 19:26 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
yes that is the whole reason to use meth amps over reg amps.
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#5
2008-03-14, 19:35 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
I'm going to assume the methyl group on methamphetamine can be compared to the methyl group on methylmethaqualone (hits harder), and even dextromethorphan (this is probally incorrect).
No, this is right. DXM's primary metabolite is dextrorphan. Notice the absence of "meth"? Dextrorphan alone is much less psychedelic than DXM and is a much milder, more stoney high. The methyl group is what makes the difference.
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#6
2008-03-15, 01:09 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
Theres like no fuckin comparison.A line of pure glass will make your fuckin hair stand straight up on your head.A couple of addies or dexies, you just feel like your mildly rolling.You know it when that jaw starts clenchin on you.Its funny as hell to see some people take a hit then watch them move theyre mouth.lmao.Crack does that too. But meth is like 5 times as potent as regular amph.Well crystal probably is.Like night and day.Good crank-one line lasts all day and youre fuckin zoomin.When you first start at least.I miss those days.
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#7
2008-03-15, 01:24 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
Meth is also more neurotoxic due to effects on serotonin.
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#8
2008-03-15, 02:52 |
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I miss those days.
Fuck oath
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2008-03-15, 08:27 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
Extending this principle (methamp is better than amp), one could say that dimethamphetamine would hit harder than "mono"methamphetamine (lol?); but it doesn't. Anybody have a clue as to why?
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2008-03-15, 08:35 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
IV methamphetamine is the more intense of the two, but I prefer to boot racemic amphetamine because it's a smoother, less paranoid ride.
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2008-03-15, 19:11 |
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Extending this principle (methamp is better than amp), one could say that dimethamphetamine would hit harder than "mono"methamphetamine (lol?); but it doesn't. Anybody have a clue as to why?
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2008-03-15, 19:14 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
because you touch yourself at night
Go back to SG.
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#13
2008-03-15, 19:16 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
Go back to SG.
He just left something pretty informant on the last page, information for the OP... So I think he deserves to stay??? lol?
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2008-03-16, 06:47 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
A couple of addies or dexies, you just feel like your mildly rolling.
Wow, you have obviously never taken drugs.
SN or JP, have anything to add?
I'm NOT talking about adderal, you dimwitted fucks, I'm talking about pure amphetamine vs street methamphetamine.
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2008-03-16, 07:00 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
I've already answered your question fuckwit. What, can't you read?
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2008-03-16, 07:18 |
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I've already answered your question fuckwit. What, can't you read?
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That is your sole opinion, I'm looking for moar then one, asshole, and from what you said "I prefer the ...amphetamine because it is less paranoid" strikes me to believe that I shouldn't care about what you have to say.
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2008-03-16, 07:37 |
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That is your sole opinion, I'm looking for moar then one, asshole, and from what you said "I prefer the ...amphetamine because it is less paranoid" strikes me to believe that I shouldn't care about what you have to say.
I dont give a FUCK about paranoia. Faggot.
Rofl, you have no idea who you're talking to mate, it's kinda funny really.
I said it's a smoother and less paranoid ride, if you knew shit at all you'd know what I meant.
I actually have a feeling that there are enough metabolites in my piss to kill you, ahah.
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2008-03-16, 07:47 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
Rofl, you have no idea who you're talking to mate, it's kinda funny really.
I said it's a smoother and less paranoid ride, if you knew shit at all you'd know what I meant.
I actually have a feeling that there are enough metabolites in my piss to kill you, ahah.
Did I doubt your drug use? No, dumbass. Seems like you are pretty paranoid.
This is BLTC, you are not cool for using drugs, you are normal and standard. A statistic. I've smoked meth and I've taken adderal. Haven't gotten my hands on straight amphetamine yet, but plan to soon if it is going to be worth it.
Like I said, I am not looking for a "smoother" ride. You may prefer stimulants to be smoothe (because your lame), but I prefer my stims to be a fucking rocket.
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2008-03-16, 07:50 |
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Did I doubt your drug use? No, dumbass. Seems like you are pretty paranoid.
This is BLTC, you are not cool for using drugs, you are normal and standard. A statistic. I've smoked meth and I've taken adderal. Haven't gotten my hands on straight amphetamine yet, but plan to soon if it is going to be worth it.
Like I said, I am not looking for a "smoother" ride. You may prefer stimulants to be smoothe (because your lame), but I prefer my stims to be a fucking rocket.
Yeah son, like I said, you don't know who you're talking to, ahah. It's actually fairly common for me to jump into#bltc and shoot up coke, methcat and methamphetamine, although lately the meth has been replaced with amphetamine.
If you want to keep asking retarded questions and pretending that you actually know something about chemistry, well that's fine with me, but keep your fucking mouth shut about other people, it's not a particularly nice trait.
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2008-03-16, 07:52 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
Yeah son, like I said, you don't know who you're talking to, ahah. It's actually fairly common for me to jump into#bltc and shoot up coke, methcat and methamphetamine, although lately the meth has been replaced with amphetamine.
If you want to keep asking retarded questions and pretending that you actually know something about chemistry, well that's fine with me, but keep your fucking mouth shut about other people, it's not a particularly nice trait.
Why are you following me in every post of myne ? Lol.
You prefer adderal over meth. Lol.
You take CAT shit. Lol. What a waste of fucking money. Lol.
I am not pretending I know anything about chemistry, I said I was talking out of my ask in OP. You are twisting things around and not making any sence. Stop following me around thru threads haha.
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2008-03-16, 07:58 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
Why are you following me in every post of myne ? Lol.
You prefer adderal over meth. Lol.
You take CAT shit. Lol. What a waste of fucking money. Lol.
I am not pretending I know anything about chemistry, I said I was talking out of my ask in OP. You are twisting things around and not making any sence. Stop following me around thru threads haha.
I'm following you around because it's like 10am Sunday morning, I'm tweaked as fuck, and you're trying to talk shit about me.
I don't take adderal son, fucks sake.
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#22
2008-03-16, 19:59 |
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who cares if this guy likes adderal more than meth.. i prefer tylenol with codeine to dilauded.. at least in terms of effectiveness.
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#23
2008-03-16, 21:00 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
i-w-d, stay the fuck out of grown up conversations jesus christ
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2008-03-16, 21:01 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
First of all, I've never heard or seen anyone say you might as well just take amps since meth is an amp prodrug. NEVER have I heard that in all my years. Anyone saying that has never had a nice big fat hit off a glass pipe with some KLEEN fucking shard in there.
Second of all, I don't understand your distinction here between street amps, and adderall. If anything adderall is more pure, since I assume the amp market is like any other speed market, and it's all cut to shit. Can't say for sure, I've never even heard of or seen "street" grade amps. Always pharms.
Which brings me to my next point, street amps will most likely be one salt, while adderall is a number of salts, allowing for different absorption times, and extended length of action because of the varying rates of metabolism for each salt.
Which would lead one to believe that logically a single salt form, such as HCl would be more euphoric than taking that same amount, but split into 4 or 5 different types of salts.
Like I said, I've never done a single salt alone of amps, only mixed salts, but I've taken quite high doses, so I have a pretty good idea as to what is possible with it, and comparing meth to amps is like comparing cocaine to caffeine in the sense that one drug is so much more potent and euphoric than the other.
Meth wins. Always. And if it thinks it will lose, that fucker will sneak in your house at 4am and beat you with bags of doorknobs until you submit.
On the speed note, I think I have come across some 4mar, I am fairly certain that's what it is judging from marquis tests and other factors, and I would damn sure like to try the shit, just tryin to figure out the $$$ situation. I have a long LONG fucking road trip, like 8 hours of driving coming up in a few days, so I think I may snag em up for the trip. They were sold, misrepresented as rolls to a friend.
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2008-03-16, 21:03 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
fuckin well put n00b
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2008-03-16, 21:16 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
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Originally Posted by nshanin
Extending this principle (methamp is better than amp), one could say that dimethamphetamine would hit harder than "mono"methamphetamine (lol?); but it doesn't. Anybody have a clue as to why?
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2008-03-16, 22:43 |
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First of all, I've never heard or seen anyone say you might as well just take amps since meth is an amp prodrug. NEVER have I heard that in all my years. Anyone saying that has never had a nice big fat hit off a glass pipe with some KLEEN fucking shard in there.
Second of all, I don't understand your distinction here between street amps, and adderall. If anything adderall is more pure, since I assume the amp market is like any other speed market, and it's all cut to shit. Can't say for sure, I've never even heard of or seen "street" grade amps. Always pharms.
Which brings me to my next point, street amps will most likely be one salt, while adderall is a number of salts, allowing for different absorption times, and extended length of action because of the varying rates of metabolism for each salt.
Which would lead one to believe that logically a single salt form, such as HCl would be more euphoric than taking that same amount, but split into 4 or 5 different types of salts.
Like I said, I've never done a single salt alone of amps, only mixed salts, but I've taken quite high doses, so I have a pretty good idea as to what is possible with it, and comparing meth to amps is like comparing cocaine to caffeine in the sense that one drug is so much more potent and euphoric than the other.
Meth wins. Always. And if it thinks it will lose, that fucker will sneak in your house at 4am and beat you with bags of doorknobs until you submit.
On the speed note, I think I have come across some 4mar, I am fairly certain that's what it is judging from marquis tests and other factors, and I would damn sure like to try the shit, just tryin to figure out the $$$ situation. I have a long LONG fucking road trip, like 8 hours of driving coming up in a few days, so I think I may snag em up for the trip. They were sold, misrepresented as rolls to a friend.
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there are so many incorrect things in this post i can hardly believe it. stop pretending you know things and spreading mis-information you stupid fucking annoying waste of a username. |
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2008-03-16, 22:59 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
SN, maybe you have an answer to this?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3021683
I think I can come up with a few more things on it, but it's gotta be later, kids wakin up right now, and IWD STFU.
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#29
2008-03-16, 23:08 |
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there are so many incorrect things in this post i can hardly believe it.
Well then, enlighten us and correct his mistakes.
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2008-03-17, 00:01 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
Well then, enlighten us and correct his mistakes.
Exactly my point.
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2008-03-17, 00:04 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
First of all, I've never heard or seen anyone say you might as well just take amps since meth is an amp prodrug. NEVER have I heard that in all my years. Anyone saying that has never had a nice big fat hit off a glass pipe with some KLEEN fucking shard in there.
I can source pure amphetamine, not mixed salts or any bullshit. I'm sure you know which source I am talking about.
Second of all, I don't understand your distinction here between street amps, and adderall. If anything adderall is more pure, since I assume the amp market is like any other speed market, and it's all cut to shit. Can't say for sure, I've never even heard of or seen "street" grade amps. Always pharms.
This is amphetamine shard NOT in a pill. Not a mixed salt no multi isomers none of the bullshit.
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Stupid Noob, I'm going to assume you have never smoked adderal and you have said you;ve never done amphetamine, only the mixed salt bullshit in adderal.
When I snort meth, I do not recieve euphoria. Simple as that. I have snorted meth until I coughed blood, and didn't recieve euphoria. I get the self esteem booste shit, that is it.
When I SMOKE meth, that is where the rush and the euphoria hit hard. I do not take meth any other way, but I would like to IV it.
Since 99% of the people in the world who have taken "amphetamine" has taken it in adderal/dexedrine, they snort/pop it. I'm sure some have smoked it but have given up (I've smoked it, hated the taste and said fuck it).
What do you think about smoked amphetamine? For the rush and euphoria. That is what I seek when I do meth. The aletness, wide awake and twacked out are bonuses, but I seek the euphoria and the rush.
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2008-03-17, 00:09 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
well you're probably not snorting pure meth then. by this logic do you need to cook coke into crack and smoke it rocked up in order to achieve euphoria? obviously not. pure meth gives you more euphoria than pure coke.
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2008-03-17, 00:19 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
I'm sure smoked amps would be quite good, and I don't know if you would have to base it first or not, but it wouldn't be hard at all to do.
But the way I look at it, every drug is worth trying in every form, and every route of administration at LEAST three time per unique setting, just to be sure ;)
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^ Plugging GHB in a gay bar?
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#35
2008-03-17, 05:20 |
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That's just asking for trouble. :p
I've never had Amphetamine, only Methamphetamine so I don't really have any knowledge as to a comparison.
Ive received some euphoria from snorted meth, and even adderal, a certain extent, but smoking brings quite a bit more euphoria.
All this talk about Amphetamines makes me want some Methamphetamine really badly. I haven't had it since last summer. Damn the last shit I had was so good, I was with the cook, he had a bag of at least an ounce, if not more of the purest looking crystal....
I was toast.
Anyway. Being an amphetamine and all I've always wondered how Methylinedioxymethamphetamine would do smoked.
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2008-03-17, 05:39 |
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Anyway. Being an amphetamine and all I've always wondered how MethylEnedioxymethamphetamine would do smoked.
No, not well.
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2008-03-17, 05:45 |
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No, not well.
I have kinda picked up on that, but Im wondering just how not well. Like a 40% rate of loss, or like a 90% rate of loss or what.
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2008-03-17, 05:55 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
I have kinda picked up on that, but Im wondering just how not well. Like a 40% rate of loss, or like a 90% rate of loss or what.
No idea, but I don't see why you'd want any kind of a loss; even if it was 10%.
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2008-03-18, 05:14 |
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I'm sure smoked amps would be quite good, and I don't know if you would have to base it first or not, but it wouldn't be hard at all to do.
But the way I look at it, every drug is worth trying in every form, and every route of administration at LEAST three time per unique setting, just to be sure ;)
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Would you suggest that I spend money on this? I haven't hit shard in a LONG time and I don't really want to any moar because I think its shitty because of the crakk down. It will be about 180 dollers (150 + 20% insurance, it is sourced) for 3.5g. What do you think (SN, I don't care about any of you other faggots oppinions.
I remember 3 years ago when meth costs us 40 a gram in southern california and was the best shit.. could last you so long.
Apparently it is 80 a gram and it can either be shit or really good. I don't want to take that risk |
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2008-03-18, 07:25 |
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Re: Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine
Mail order meth? That seems dangerous man. And back in the day when I was into this shit, in the areas I checked out and around, 100 a g was average market value for some good shards. Yeah, I never paid that. Of course there are always people who are friends with the main man who can get deals etc, but for a random schmuck, 100 bucks.
But in some areas, you can't even STOP doing the shit just because they just keep crankin it out and sellin it like fucking lemonade.
It's all about what it's worth to YOU man. Think about your other stimulant options you have available and just remember to be safe, I personally would be scared shitless to mail and or receive the devil incarnate himself. Fuckers are cracking down on meth hard.
Unless you are UK? AUS? No, can't be aus, too cheap for the drugs, UK maybe, and if so I don't know what to tell you on any of that, not knowing their systems or anything.
It's not like they have drug dogs sitting sniffing every package, but it's still not a risk I personally would take, but then again I am way way too OCD and paranoid to even fuck with that.
And of course I have a family that needs me, my wife and son, no room for fuck abouts.
I prefer to buy all my drugs face to face with someone I know well and trust, and eventually I can find anything I want with these connects.
Mail order drugs is just too easy, whatever happened to the joy of the hunt? Calling a million fuckers, and visiting houses unannounced because they have NO phone, all looking for this or that drug.
That's part of the high, the anticipation.
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