Alright so i know you guys remember my thread about the unidentified white powder a week or two ago. Well i just got my Mandelin Test kit in the mail. I put a drop on the powder and it turned yellow indicated a speed like substance. I noticed the liquid itself was yellow too. So just to make sure i put a drop on some creatine powder which turned clear. So i guess we got ourself a speed like substance here. Doesn't look like any meth i've seen because its so granulated. But i guess ill give it a try tomorrow after i see the old PO. Im still having my doubts about trying some random shit i found but whatever, how potentially dangerous could this be?

Was this white powder or power you identified?

Well you don't know how strong or concentrated it is so be careful.

a speed like substance.

Yea...you still havent identified this powder.

Well you don't know how strong or concentrated it is so be careful.

Plus that.

Yea...you still havent identified this powder.



Plus that.

True, but wouldnt all speed like substances be safe to ingest in very very small quantities until you determined the strength? Any suggestions on how to test exact type/strength.

Like you said, the safest thing to do if you really want to consume this would be to take it in really small doses till ur at where u wana be. No advice about being able to further test it tho sry.

how much of it is there?

like 12 grams or so. Would meth or amphetamine be salty tasting? My roomates about to try it out.

http://www.ez-test.com.au/mandelin.htm this is the one i have, i noticed it says it changes from yellow to dark green. But when i tested this shit it stayed yellow.

No reaction or any other reaction indicates that your pill does NOT contain Ecstasy!

If you said the liquid started yellow, wouldn't that classify it as no reaction?

Try TLC.

Yeah the liquid started yellow which is why i was suspicous at first. But "no reaction" means it turns clear. Which i tested by putting it on some creatine. I just want to know if theres any other chemicals (drug or not) that turn yellow on a mandelin reagent.

Actually, I would assume the liquid going to clear falls under "any other reaction." So, I'm pretty sure you're still at step one. Joe P. wrote a great pictorial for TLC (thin layer chromatography), It might help you.

Most of the stuff he writes confuses me cause im a chem newb. But ill give it look, link?

Here ya go. (http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2047840)

Well i just got my Mandelin Test kit in the mail. I put a drop on the powder and it turned yellow indicated a speed like substance. I noticed the liquid itself was yellow too. So just to make sure i put a drop on some creatine powder which turned clear.

Congratulations. You've established that the unknown substance is... not creatine. 'n that's about it.

...have you even checked for pH-dependent formation of precipitate to find out if it's even an alkaloid??

Incidentally...

True, but wouldnt all speed like substances be safe to ingest in very very small quantities until you determined the strength?

"China white," a-methylfenantyl, is a highly potent n-substituted amphetamine.

Ya wanna tell me how phat a line you'd intend on doing of that? 'cause, sure, that methyl group drops the binding efficiency, but not so much that "dropping a shard" is a survivable prospect.

Find out if it's even an alkaloid before you start trying to find out what sort of alkaloid. 'n your test was remarkably unindicative of anything, btw.

I don't think it is actually ANYTHING.

Yeah, I'm with noob on this one. It's probably... antimatter.

Congratulations. You've established that the unknown substance is... not creatine. 'n that's about it.

...have you even checked for pH-dependent formation of precipitate to find out if it's even an alkaloid??

Incidentally...



"China white," a-methylfenantyl, is a highly potent n-substituted amphetamine.

Ya wanna tell me how phat a line you'd intend on doing of that? 'cause, sure, that methyl group drops the binding efficiency, but not so much that "dropping a shard" is a survivable prospect.

Find out if it's even an alkaloid before you start trying to find out what sort of alkaloid. 'n your test was remarkably unindicative of anything, btw.

I believe you mean a-methylfentanyl.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphamethylfentanyl

Congratulations. You've established that the unknown substance is... not creatine. 'n that's about it.

...have you even checked for pH-dependent formation of precipitate to find out if it's even an alkaloid??

Incidentally...



"China white," a-methylfenantyl, is a highly potent n-substituted amphetamine.

Ya wanna tell me how phat a line you'd intend on doing of that? 'cause, sure, that methyl group drops the binding efficiency, but not so much that "dropping a shard" is a survivable prospect.

Find out if it's even an alkaloid before you start trying to find out what sort of alkaloid. 'n your test was remarkably unindicative of anything, btw.

Ahh the great and wise joepedo. How do you "Check for pH-dependent formation of precipitate"? And you guys may be right, theres a good chance it could be nothing, but then again theres a chance it COULD be something, it wouldnt be the first time ive found drugs.

I believe you mean a-methylfentanyl.

Yup, that's the stuff... thanks.

How do you "Check for pH-dependent formation of precipitate"?

Dissolve a small sample in distilled water. Add aqueous ammonia, see if any precipitate forms - probably a fine white dust, but ya never know.

...'n I still wanna see rollofle plug a sample of unidentified white power, but that's a different thread.

And if the precipitate forms.........then it could be something?

"China white," a-methylfenantyl, is a highly potent n-substituted amphetamine.

JoeP, AMF is a derrivative of a amphetamine? I've never heard this anywhere... Are you sure your not confused? I'd love to read more about that..

I hope you have a dox powder and fuck urself over.

Bingo! You'll know it's an alkaloid, which is required for all currently-known psychoactives which form a white crystalline powder which could be suspected of being some stimulant or another. ;)

JoeP, AMF is a derrivative of a amphetamine? I've never heard this anywhere... Are you sure your not confused? I'd love to read more about that..

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/426/alphamethylfentanylpr8.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Methamphetamine-2D-skeletal-.svg/200px-Methamphetamine-2D-skeletal-.svg.png

Technically, a-methylfentanyl is something along the lines of n,n-cyclopentan(3-(n-phenyl)propanoylamin)amphetamine. Charming stuff...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Methamphetamine-2D-skeletal-.svg/200px-Methamphetamine-2D-skeletal-.svg.png

Technically, a-methylfentanyl is something along the lines of n,n-cyclopentan(3-(n-phenyl)propanoylamin)amphetamine. Charming stuff...

interesting, ya learn something knew everyday... I appreciate the edjamekatun Joe, thanks!

how potentially dangerous could this be?

Well, there's always the possibility you die...so....

Have fun with it ^_^

I dont think you really hope that. I think your just jealous that im so much cooler than you are. And id know if it was dox powder because A. I've seen and touched do's and there a completely different consistency B. I've tasted a small amount and didnt hallucinate.


Onto a more intelligent poster, one more question joepedo. Is there anyway i can easyily obtain anhydrous ammonia without getting it from a chem supply? Btw thanks for actually giving useful information and helping people rather then being stupid douche like alot of the people around bltc.

Onto a more intelligent poster, one more question joepedo. Is there anyway i can easyily obtain anhydrous ammonia without getting it from a chem supply? Btw thanks for actually giving useful information and helping people rather then being stupid douche like alot of the people around bltc.

https://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2100034

This would likely suit your needs.

There is no such thing as an easy way to obtain anhydrous ammonia. It is an oxymoron. If you have to ask about how to obtain it, you WILL fuck yourself up trying to make it, or trying to handle it. And good luck explaining the series of plastic jugs in your yard, and the smell, because no fucking way could you do it inside, and no fucking way will the smell go unnoticed.

here's a simple test, buy a mouse or a few and place a quantity larger than one you are at present willing to ingest and observe the effects that it has on them.

Not necessarily a definitive test if you are trying to ascertain exactly what substance you have, but an effective test on whether or not it has a desirable effect or undesirable one

Ha when I was younger and I used to scour the downtown area of my town, I was bring a crushed up tylenol 3 in a dime bag with me and leave it on the street... I would never see them again, within an hour everytime it would be gone and someone would be very disappointed 2 weeks later STILL POSTING ON TOTSE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WON'T GET THEM HIGH!

That was you?!

That was you?!

I used to do much worse. My dad had a large xerox printer in my basement, like one you would see at Kinko's. It was connected to the internet, and when 2 sided bills were made it would shut down my internet and printer... so I would print 1 sided bills (perfect replica's on near perfect paper) and go to the grocery store with my dad, fold up the bill, put it in a crack in the sidewalk, get back in my car and watch joy followed by anger... it was great.

Is there anyway i can easyily obtain anhydrous ammonia without getting it from a chem supply?

That depends - do you include "and not die" in your definition of "easy?"

If so, the answer is "no, there isn't." Otherwise, it's amazingly easy - just swap the base in any salt of ammonia with something more competitive.

...but for all these false rumors that we're some sort of organic life or something, we really don't fare too well in an ammonia atmosphere. Hrmph.

...............fuck it, not worth the time. I think i'll just wait till i find some drunk douche and tell him i got some good ass blow and have him rail out a fat line, it'll be like the mouse test but more funny.

YOU should dry it. Just rub a bit on your gums; what's the worst that could happen? - Don't answer that!

Seriously, though, the likelihood of it being something dangerous is pretty low. Walk on the wild side :D.

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Just Rail It Already

Its been tasted by me. And my roommate did a small bump. Nothing came of it, i doubt its anything now and if it is then its not very strong. Its kinda rocked up like coke which is kinda weird but it doesn't taste like any coke ive done.

Umm... you are aware that simple aqueous ammonia works.... right?