And will you mothe breathing retards shut the fuck up about big business? Most large corparations fully support climate change.

Umm corporations support having dramatic shifts in their ideal weather?

I've been pretty bit on it lately and want to cut down on it but your spelling (sure...I'm SURE it's just how you typed or the fact it's 3am there and you haven't slept in a week) is a burden on the senses.

And no one has even mentioned 'big business' except you claiming "we" have.

I understand you want to take the road seemingly less traveled and seperate yourself from some norm you've created in 'us' but please get some sense about you for the sake of the rest of us.

How the fuck will Earth Hour actually do anything. So you selectively turn off for one hour that's no difference from Japan saying they will stop Whaling for one hour and acting like they're conservationists. Do you think your shitty little campagin will actually do one tiny bit of difference? Thanks to our greedy consumer lifestyles the amount of co2 production has and will keep going up stopping it for one hour doesn't do jackshit.

Have you ever actually looked into Global Warming? The whole concept is based that a gas which 99.9% of all life relies on. There is evidence within the last century that CO2 and warming doesn't match.

http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=11

Look at the graph at the bottom co2 when sharply up between the 1940s and the 1970s a cool period when retards like you thought there would be a cooling period. Not only that but there have been numerous warming periods like the one we are experiencing now. At 1000 AD the vikings because of the increased warming were able to settle and farm on ground which is covered all year round in ice.

I'll leave you with this an exellent report from expert Roy Spencer. http://www.weatherquestions.com/Roy-Spencer-on-global-warming.htm

Whatever man for me Earth Hour works to get people to think about the issue - It's "non-essential" lighting...why would you need that on anyhow? What do you mean it makes no difference? It makes exactly one hours difference to the quarter million+ people (households?) who are now actively thinking about it and the 18,000+ businesses

Think about it...250,000 people * 1 hr

/ 24 hrs of a day = 10,416 days (ROUNDED DOWN)

or... approx 28.5 years.

I don't particularly care for this global warming/climate change debate my personal stance is of course you can't change climate shift but the millions of households reliant on fossil fuels for their electricty burning it away to have their TV on standby and other luxury nonsense is stupidity.

Go somewhere like Bejing where you could cut the air with a knife and tell me people shouldn't be trying to slow down a bit.


And enough with rehashing what people have said and the silly links I could waste more of my time here looking up all the stuff that I'm positive would outweigh all the links you could find that support your adopted standing on a subject.

Drop it with the closemindedness. If I thought this movement was only good to tell people to only stop using TV standby I'd support it to try to get people to stop being so fucking lazy.

Whatever man for me Earth Hour works to get people to think about the issue - It's "non-essential" lighting...why would you need that on anyhow? What do you mean it makes no difference? It makes exactly one hours difference to the quarter million+ people (households?) who are now actively thinking about it and the 18,000+ businesses

Think about it...250,000 people * 1 hr

/ 24 hrs of a day = 10,416 days (ROUNDED DOWN)

or... approx 28.5 years.

I don't particularly care for this global warming/climate change debate my personal stance is of course you can't change climate shift but the millions of households reliant on fossil fuels for their electricty burning it away to have their TV on standby and other luxury nonsense is stupidity.

Go somewhere like Bejing where you could cut the air with a knife and tell me people shouldn't be trying to slow down a bit.


And enough with rehashing what people have said and the silly links I could waste more of my time here looking up all the stuff that I'm positive would outweigh all the links you could find that support your adopted standing on a subject.

Drop it with the closemindedness. If I thought this movement was only good to tell people to only stop using TV standby I'd support it to try to get people to stop being so fucking lazy.

Well you're black

Well you're black

Wrong yet again but way to be!

Think about it...250,000 people * 1 hr

/ 24 hrs of a day = 10,416 days (ROUNDED DOWN)

or... approx 28.5 years.

You do realize that this data is completely irrelevant to everything and anything, right, yo?

You do realize that this data is completely irrelevant to everything and anything, right, yo?

How did you get into college?

It put claims ordinary 'one person' people couldn't make a difference into an easy to understand (yet somehow complex still for types like you) tidbit.


Oh and according to the news this 1 hour of inactivity saved 2000 tonnes of GH gases and was equivalent to turning off 2 powerplants for that hour - I noticed everyone was lighting candles. If the wax was some sort of petroleum based thing and not natural like bees wax that would have produced CO2 which I found a bit silly.

How did you get into college?

Just like everyone else, I'd imagine. We all know how excited you are that you actually made it through the educational system into a school where what degrees you walk away with are actually useful. Alright, we get it. You were bright enough and privileged enough to make it into a real school that teaches (I can only assume, and hope) things that are relevant to various "high-end" jobs.

Sadly, what the current idiots working for a better and more efficient future are doing is not going to make a difference. Spouting out random numbers that don't have anything to do with other numbers in a way that makes up a big looking number does nothing but bring in attention from idiots that don't understand the numbers. What does that mean? People are going to take a number like 28.5, throw the word "days" at the end of it, and show it off to stupid people who (even if they think they're doing the right thing thanks to your scare tactics) are easily impressionable (and hopefully have a lot of money). So now you have a large number of people making choices based on pointless data (again yo, it means jack shit), meaning they now have falsified opinions which they act upon. These people with their opinions are going to make financial donations and the like to these "causes (Like Earth Hour 2008)", all the while bringing in more and more attention (money) to the people that plan and run these events.

Basically, these events are largely focused on turning a profit (or at least bringing in money for whatever THEY want to spend it on) at the expense of everyone else.

It put claims ordinary 'one person' people couldn't make a difference into an easy to understand (yet somehow complex still for types like you) tidbit.

You're suggesting that this data can be used to show that singular people make a difference after all?

I'm sorry, I know that people like you, who ultimately have a small amount of power in order to bring in more money for your superiors, have never taken a basic class in statistics, or statistical analysis.

But if you're gonna throw numbers at us, shouldn't you explain what these numbers mean?

Can we look at what you told us again?

"Think about it...250,000 people * 1 hr

/ 24 hrs of a day = 10,416 days (ROUNDED DOWN [OMG ORGASM FOR PEACE AND GREENITY])

or... approx 28.5 years."

28.5 years.. what? What does that number mean? Is each person "saving" 28.5 years worth of the electricity used to power their home? No. What does the number "28.5 years" have to do with the individual? Nothing.

Why? Let's review the data you gave.

250,000 people turned off their lights for one hour.

Multiply 250,000 people * 1 hour suggests that there is a TOTAL number of 250,000 hours of lights being turned off IN ONE HOME.

Sounds good, right? A total of 250,000 hours of light have been "saved" in one home.

Divide by 24 so you can see how many DAYS of light have been "saved" in one home. 10,416 days (OMG ROUNDED DOWN~) of light in one home were "saved".

Divide by 356ish and you get a number close to 28.5.

28.5 what, though? 28.5 years worth of one home having turned off their lights. That's what 28.5 is.

Or, that's what we're going to assume it means despite the fact that the data is from an unconfirmed source and has no way of actually determining WHO turned off WHAT, or how much electricity each of these 250,000 people actually saved. But you know what, I'll take that number for what you do, and assume that 28.5 years worth of lighting for one home was saved.

Omg that's a lot of years. I bet an average family (one home) has their lights on for more than that during the course of their lives. So if we empty a single home of people (say, by murdering them) we make more of a difference than everyone did at this Earth Whatever 2008 bullshit.

Yes, killing 3-4 people has more of an impact on how much lighting in total could be "saved" than these 250,000 people (homes? More evidence pointing to your data being VERY objectional) did in their "Omg I'm making a difference" idiotic "movement".

Oh and according to the news this 1 hour of inactivity saved 2000 tonnes of GH gases and was equivalent to turning off 2 powerplants for that hour - I noticed everyone was lighting candles. If the wax was some sort of petroleum based thing and not natural like bees wax that would have produced CO2 which I found a bit silly.

Just more falsified data being used to manipulate you for cash.

Zek I can't justify my data if you're going to blantantly fuck it all up.

28.5 year...not days, 250,000 individuals that signed up officially on the site not counting those who did it who didn't sign up/have internet access/whatever...I didn't bother reading other shit you messed up.

28.5 years...it's a long time when you think about it. Take into consideration the Countries that have significantly lesser life expectancies than developed Countries. Consider people will often in Green Planet (if you cared to visit in times of regular interest to you not just following me around) make 'kill yourself to save the planet' threads and posts - 28.5 years taken away by having people and businesses not use 'non-essential lighting'. What's 28.5 years, like almost half or more the life of an overconsuming, obese person? It pretty much effectively wipes their existance as being a footprint on this planet away, in theory.

As for money take it to PD or MMM so I don't have to read your assumption based crap in here. Even if, SOMEHOW, by me hearing about Earth Hour via word of mouth and not using electricity somehow stuffs the pockets of a wildlife fund so be it. You'd rather chew the juice, pay for it, and finance a known pollutor taking your money every day of the year every year for your entire life? All the power to you for that then.

Oh and I am one person you got me, working for government so I do have a few strings I can pull, differences I can make ;)

It's the same as everything I do, I'm not going to give my money to an overseas company that decided it would buy out a business of my own Courntries creation and make money from it - I don't care if it's just me saying fuck you, they're not getting my money. If no one bought it what would they do? 'I'm only one person' mentality is that of a weak individual and I don't care for these people.

I already said something like this in this thread but I might have to say it again...

To me it's overconsumption, using shit you don't need - Why would you? Point out the irony that I'm on a computer and I don't need it but it's a small luxury I'll take, I'm running @ Home programs anyhow and keying up presentations, documents and policy to do with the environment anyhow so it's more of a system or a tool than anything else.

I just skimmed the crap I didn't read of yours before...funny how I mentioned killing people and so did you, nah the funny bit is you used that same old point of reference. You're depressed (yeah, whateve) rall the time, you could sacrife yourself and we could calculate the expected savings as a result...until we factored in the fact you were a whiny emo that was going to probably off himself anyway and that you exerted more power because you put off doing so for too long (take the hint ;) )


Just more falsified data being used to manipulate you for cash.

Yeah I know as soon as I heard it my bank account somehow was extracted of hard earned moolah, I dunno how they do it through a gauge of how successful or unsuccessful something people had ALREADY PUT SOOOOOOOOOO MUCH MONEY INTO...because that is, of course, what happened right. They're kinda mean sucking us saps dry for money for a project than telling us how it went and taking more of our money :(

Blah blah blah, personal insult that doesn't make sense, blah blah I'm hurt.

<3, yo.

Edit: FEAR MY MATH VOODOO!!!!

<3, yo.

I'm glad you said that I saw in my User CP that you replied and thought I might have to suggest leaving it by saying I know what I'm talking about and you don't so just stop now.

I'm glad we have this consensus.

I thought that the whole earth hour thing kinda sucked. I mean i'm all for saving energy, but when you think about it going out and buying candles for earth hour costs more than turning your lights off. I think something more like earth day is way better. No need to turn off all you lights but observing energy concious practices not just for one hour or one day but for the rest of our lives.
You know what would be good? Ride the bus or your bike to work or school week then maybe gas prices would go down.

Yeah that would be sensible if the system could handle the influx. I'm going to start walking to work everyday now I'm in my new place closer to work, thinking now of the petrol it's sweet.

http://www.earthhour.org/



I'm involved in promoting this at work and figured I'd post about it here as well.



^^Not too bad but could be better.

I'm promoting that people do this, but I do have some cynical views on it - Mostly that 'non essential' lighting power by definition doesn't need to be on in the first place and that one day a year, and only lighting isn't good enough.

That being said I am going to promote it:

- On our Website
- On our local Radio
- In our local newspaper
- Emailing its message to Colleagues
- Getting business that are involved to put up posters
- Involving Schools (Using their Newsletters as a promotional tool)


Oh and any trolls that want to an imagine of an enviro bad guy just imagine me laughing at you for wasting your own power, or the power/water of community places that you finance via taxes and having them jack up their prices.

Fucking idiot.

Nothing is wrong with the Earth.

It has been here for 4.6 billion years and is a self regulating system. It is doing what is doing to regulate itself. Humans in no way can affect the planet.

This is nothing but propaganda set out by the UN to get in a GLOBAL carbon tax, which sets the precedent that the UN can globally tax people. This is being used as a stepping stone to world government.

Do not fall for this insane propaganda.

And btw. Earth is heating up. We aren't causing that. The whole solar system is heating up. The sun goes through periods of expansion and contraction(milankovich cycle) and the sun is going through an expansion right now.

The polar ice caps on Mars are receding(just like ours are) and the ice moons of Jupiter(Such as Europa) and Saturn(Titan) are now for the most part turning into liquid seas.

Please do not buy into this whole Oil scam either. Its just propaganda so that the oil companies can charge a shitload more, that is why the oil prices are so high today.

Please inform people of the evidence I have just provided so that the Global warming swindle doesn't take place in America where it is happening in Europe.

Fucking idiot.

Nothing is wrong with the Earth.

It has been here for 4.6 billion years and is a self regulating system. It is doing what is doing to regulate itself. Humans in no way can affect the planet.


I'm getting sick of these people on the fashionably denying fleet....

Just answer me this...how can a natural system cope with increased unnatural burden? Think of a river as a natural system and that a toy factory dropped a chemical cocktail of liquid discharge into it. How exactly is that river going to 'regulate' that...now think of the entire planet as a system accomodating 6 billion people, a lot of whom want convenience foods so there's cattle grazed to satisfy them, people who want to try to promote their existence by accumulating a bunch of possessions and so on..

I can't believe I'm saying it again, wait scrub that, I can believe I'm saying this again considering you've read only the first post but people not using excessive electricity or driving their cars to me is a brilliant thing. If Earth Hour helped towards one of these desirables of mine of course I'll promote it.

The shit that you just talked about had to come from somewhere.
You're wrong. Stop. Being. Naive.
I'm not going to type up a huge argument with all the specifics, but earth IS a self-regulating system. It just takes a long fucking time to heal from catastrophic events.

Sure "the solution to pollution is dilution" but how about not having the shit in the first place?

Earth creates a lot of problems for itself (think volcanoes, lightening causing fires) I've always said sure there is climate change happening, you can't stop it BUT with this shit happening do you really want to plummet the planet into even greater depths of shit?

The Earth is 'combating' (actually we are because it's us that is ultimately disadvantaged by our adopted norms) something like climate change whilst we are doing things like spilling oil and mercury into the water (exxon for example), creating things liike the Chernobyl disaster...and overconsuming electricity sourced from shit like burning coal

<cue in Earth Hour here>

That's enough of this, I know I'm right I have no need or want in trying to tell other people anything.

I'm getting sick of these people on the fashionably denying fleet....

Just answer me this...how can a natural system cope with increased unnatural burden? Think of a river as a natural system and that a toy factory dropped a chemical cocktail of liquid discharge into it. How exactly is that river going to 'regulate' that...now think of the entire planet as a system accomodating 6 billion people, a lot of whom want convenience foods so there's cattle grazed to satisfy them, people who want to try to promote their existence by accumulating a bunch of possessions and so on..

I can't believe I'm saying it again, wait scrub that, I can believe I'm saying this again considering you've read only the first post but people not using excessive electricity or driving their cars to me is a brilliant thing. If Earth Hour helped towards one of these desirables of mine of course I'll promote it.

THE EARTH WAS HIT BY A FUCKING ASTEROID THAT KILLED THE GODDAMN DINOSAURS!

OH SHIT! It fucking seemed to heal itself dickhead. And guess what we seem to be doing fine.

I like how you conveniently did not reply to all the scientific points I made about the sun heating up and Mars' icecaps receding you dumb bastard.

God dumbasses like you make me sick.

I bet you go to school for some liberal arts or English major. Fucking worthless.

Learn some science.

THE EARTH WAS HIT BY A FUCKING ASTEROID THAT KILLED THE GODDAMN DINOSAURS!

OH SHIT! It fucking seemed to heal itself dickhead. And guess what we seem to be doing fine.

I like how you conveniently did not reply to all the scientific points I made about the sun heating up and Mars' icecaps receding you dumb bastard.

God dumbasses like you make me sick.

I bet you go to school for some liberal arts or English major. Fucking worthless.

Learn some science.

haha I think you're insightful comments would better suit a youtube video considering its insanely high level of stupidity based on a blurb you've obviously heard in passing and taken as gospel.

What scientific points? Again with the natural cycles? Uhh I'm pretty sure I said they happen and what we contribute is an added burden dumbass. So you're pretending to be Mr. Science and trying to slag me off as an 'English Major', even if that were the case I'd tell you to learn how to read and comprehend considering you think I overlooked your (I'm sorry, rehashed points other people have made) comment about Mars Icecaps melting.

Neither the thumbs down nor rolleyes post icon can illustrate how little respect I have for the way your brain functions.

haha I think you're insightful comments would better suit a youtube video considering its insanely high level of stupidity based on a blurb you've obviously heard in passing and taken as gospel.

What scientific points? Again with the natural cycles? Uhh I'm pretty sure I said they happen and what we contribute is an added burden dumbass. So you're pretending to be Mr. Science and trying to slag me off as an 'English Major', even if that were the case I'd tell you to learn how to read and comprehend considering you think I overlooked your (I'm sorry, rehashed points other people have made) comment about Mars Icecaps melting.

Neither the thumbs down nor rolleyes post icon can illustrate how little respect I have for the way your brain functions.

So let me get this straight then....

you think that the entire earth is going to end because of some CO2 molecules?????

So let me get this straight then....

you think that the entire earth is going to end because of some CO2 molecules?????

No. How about you read my other comments, I've said it at least twice maybe three or more times.

I want people to stop overconsuming - Using 'non-essential' lighting is kinda stupid don't you agree?

I don't think CO2 molecules are going to end the world how'd you come to that conclusion?

My stance is simply people shouldn't overconsume anything (don't be greedy and wasteful), that there is climate change, that there is human activity contributing to the impact of climate change which I loosely connect to the term 'global warming' as it's easy to say that instead of pointing out in every instance my stance which is close enough for 99% of people that don't pursue exactly what I believe.

Smokestacks, car emmissions, the nuclear power debate....all things I don't think would get as much attention as they do if people weren't so wasteful, among other things we do.

EDIT: And as for the natural system looking after itself, I consider timeframes to dictate this. I doubt the Earth ever fully recovers from drastic events and even where it could/can it takes so long to do it by itself (more like the problem burns out itself and no longer burdens the planet instead of the planet healing itself) it doesn't matter as other shit is going to happen creating a new problem or worsening the existing.

No. How about you read my other comments, I've said it at least twice maybe three or more times.

I want people to stop overconsuming - Using 'non-essential' lighting is kinda stupid don't you agree?

I don't think CO2 molecules are going to end the world how'd you come to that conclusion?

My stance is simply people shouldn't overconsume anything (don't be greedy and wasteful), that there is climate change, that there is human activity contributing to the impact of climate change which I loosely connect to the term 'global warming' as it's easy to say that instead of pointing out in every instance my stance which is close enough for 99% of people that don't pursue exactly what I believe.

Smokestacks, car emmissions, the nuclear power debate....all things I don't think would get as much attention as they do if people weren't so wasteful, among other things we do.

EDIT: And as for the natural system looking after itself, I consider timeframes to dictate this. I doubt the Earth ever fully recovers from drastic events and even where it could/can it takes so long to do it by itself (more like the problem burns out itself and no longer burdens the planet instead of the planet healing itself) it doesn't matter as other shit is going to happen creating a new problem or worsening the existing.

Reading this reminded me of something I read in a book once.

How difficult it is to free fools from the chains they so revere.
-Voltaire

When a power plant generates electricity, the power must be used within microseconds. If everybody stops using lots of power, all this pollution and resources used would have been for nothing. So I perform my duty, by using the power you hippies don't.

I attended the concert in toronto for the earth hour.

There was a dancing penguin that gave me a button that said get sane.

i cant wait till the next earth hour....im gonna buy $1000 worth of Christmas lights and make my house a disappointment to my community :D

Man, I forgot about this thread. I kicked some serious ass and Trousersnake is oblivious to all the points I made.

Im gonna turn on all the lights in my house to counteract other poeple.

I suggest you do the same, and dont buy into this bullshit.

Electricity would be completly renewable if it wasnt for companys like exxon.

We have non electric-powered magnetic motors, Electric fusion being worked on on a grand scale, and enough sunlight in one day to power an entire city for 5 years...go figure

Electricity would be completly renewable if it wasnt for companys like exxon.

We have non electric-powered magnetic motors, Electric fusion being worked on on a grand scale, and enough sunlight in one day to power an entire city for 5 years...go figure

Why haven't we listened to this genius before..

holy shit you guys are faggots

holy shit
Earth hour did nothing. It just showed us what we can do, but in reality we can't keep that up.

I'm going to turn on a million lights on that day

fuck earth.

woo earth hour.....

too bad humans invented time

Oh, did we?

Oh, did we?



...yea

Energy should be made expensive enough that people aren't willing to waste it.

This is going to happen.