I hear all the time about people around here telling me theyve got the best E and they can get it coke based, heroin based, acid based but after a long time on totse I know thats not true.

One thing I dont understand though is why...

I understand why you cant press it with lsd. I'm guessing it would just be a waste of coke to press it with MDMA.

But why not shit like heroin or other opiates? Does it just not press right? Is it just not plausible or what?

Somebody explain.


Most of the "E" rolls I get around here is just either straight up meth or its a little bit of MDMA... with more meth.

People lie! Most rolls are dirty and cut with shitty drugs, opiates cost alot and not buddy is going to waste money putting it in a dirty roll and it can be press pretty much anything can be press into a roll. Don't get me wrong there is so good rolls around but most aren't.

Simply because it's not profitable. That's all it boils down to really.

Meth you can synthesize, MDMA you can synthesize. Heroin? Only semi-synthetic. Coke? Pretty much only get it from coca leaves.

Fentanyl.... well there have been bunk "morphine pills" (marketed just as that, not morphine-based E) which actually contained fent just like the fake OCs you can see on the DEA microdot homepage.

But why not shit like heroin or other opiates? Does it just not press right? Is it just not plausible or what?


I'm guessing: price and shitty oral bioavailability (for heroin at least). It wouldn't be practical nor profitable.

I'm guessing: price and shitty oral bioavailability (for heroin at least). It wouldn't be practical nor profitable.

See thats what I figured but anytime I hear anyone making fun of someone for bringing it up in here it seems like theyre saying it isnt even possible.

Both heroin and cocaine have horrible oral bioavailability.

Cocaine will leave you with terrible indigestion if take it orally. Chewing on a coca leave to relieve flu symptoms and whatnot is one thing, but ingesting an unspecified amount of refined / processed cocaine HCL can't be good for one's digestive tracts.

Heroin, like stated above, barely even works orally. Issues with bioavailability, and the fact that the double-acetyl groups are rendered almost completely useless when taken orally, leave heroin no more potent than morphine (maybe even weaker).

Edit: Also, things like LSD don't generally work well in party situations if you aren't expecting it; in fact, it may very well scare the shit out of you. Not to mention the fact that LSD is quite expensive and the dose would have to be measured VERY accurately to make it work.

i thought fent also had a shitty oral bioavailability? which is why people chew on patches and put them on their skin?

and about e... there's been more than one occasion that i've turned it down because i knew it'd more likely have more tweak than mdma. it's hard to convince me when people say they have good pills around here, especially when my city is sometimes nicknamed the "meth capital of the midwest"

i thought fent also had a shitty oral bioavailability? which is why people chew on patches and put them on their skin?


I don't know much on fent but assuming you're right, the amount put into the pills would be approximately equal in effect to what an oxy 80 or whatever it's meant to be, to be taken orally or snorted.
The maker's either didn't care or didn't expect the pills to be used outside of the dope using community.

Also, putting lsd into an ecstacy pill isn't so far-fetched, it'd most likely be really crumbly and seem like a shit press, but when candyflipping, you're not really supposed to take both at the same time sooo... :)

I think coke gets thrown into e all the time.

It just doesn't happen for the reasons stated above. Don't be so dumb.

It just doesn't happen for the reasons stated above. Don't be so dumb.

actually it does because it did. there have been pills with coke and pills with heroin. most likely the govt making it to substantiate that e can contain anything but still it has happened on more than one occasion. ive seen h in e 2x on ecstacydata and trace coke a few times.

Mostly because the people making E in scale aren't dealing with producing coke, heroin or probably even acid and stuff.... they're big labs knocking out MD** or using fairly dodgy more legal chemicals to bulk out pills.

It's just about money, effort and time really.... oh, and consumer demand. People might like a "smacky" feel of a pill, probably something more like.... MDE, but if you're telling loads of people they're full of heroin, i'm thinking that'd put most people off...

actually it does because it did. there have been pills with coke and pills with heroin. most likely the govt making it to substantiate that e can contain anything but still it has happened on more than one occasion. ive seen h in e 2x on ecstacydata and trace coke a few times.

Wowwww.. 5 pills out of 1600 that have been tested. Amazing how often it happens. And I mean how good do these pills LOOK! Hot damn! Shit, not having one test positive for coke since 2003 really makes it likely I'm gunna get one!
http://ecstasydata.org/results.php?A=SearchAll&Start=0&S=cocaine&OldSort=DPD&NewSort=&SField=Substance
And holy shit the H one looks even better!
http://ecstasydata.org/results.php?A=SearchAll&Start=0&S=heroin&OldSort=DPD&NewSort=&SField=Substance

And notice the notes they post at the bottom...

We have heard a claim that this tablet was custom made to corrupt the data and help spread the rumor that cocaine is commonly found in ecstasy tablets. This sort of claim is extremely difficult to prove or disprove.

Because this pill has unusual contents, it's important to point out that the pill looks poorly pressed and may have been made specifically to send in to the ecstasydata testing project.

So yeah there's like a one in 5,000 chance you MIGHT get one with H or coke, but the manufacturer would have to be retarded to do so. 100% of the time when someone tells you that they have a coke or H based pill they're talking out of their asses because no one would feel an oral dose of that much H or coke.

Acid and MDXX are never on the same pill because the chemist who is making the X is obviously smarter than you and has ruled out mixing in LSD, as the pill press would almost certainly destroy the LSD. The closest you are going to get to LSD/MDMA is 2C-E.

in 99% of cases it doesnt make economic sense. pure economics are what run the drug trade, so educate yourself about economics and you will understand drug dealing 100x better.

And also, the word base when used in this context referring to MDMA pills is based off of the OLD ass rumor that E is actually a mixture of a number of drugs including cocaine, LSD, heroin, mescaline, and whatever else the dumbass dealer can think up to pitch his wares. This is widely believed because it can actually feel like a combination of certain drugs at times. Now, the term base, again, in this context was used to refer to a pill that had more of one drug than others, making for say, a more mellow buzz, a more speedy buzz, a more psychedelic buzz, etc.

Since then, this rumor has gotten so fucking out of hand, we have people asking shit like this.

The fact of the matter is that MDMA is in fact its own chemical, its own drug, and is wholly unique. Many try and mimic its effects through polydrug concoctions, and some come close enough to fool the masses of retards out there. Since the market has become so flooded with scammers, many people simply don't know what MDMA feels like, having only ever gotten shit pills, and MANY don't even KNOW what the fuck MDMA even is.

If you want to try your own polydrug combinations, do them yourself. Don't rely on some jackass wearing fubu shit to tell you what chemicals are in that little pill, you go and buy a test kit, they are cheap, and reliable, and will tell you exactly what is in there.


The more people start getting educated and using test kits on EVERY single pill they buy (it only takes a TINY TINY grain of salt sized scraping off the pill) then the entire market would start to get better, with higher quality product, less scammers, and eventually, proper pricing per dose, instead of this 15-20 dollar a pill shit in some places.


Personally, I haven't had MDMA in over two years, simply because the market in my city is THAT fucked. No one wants to let me test pills before I buy, because they fucking KNOW they are shitty, so I just don't fuck with it. Not till I can eventually find another good source anyway.

^ what he said..

Down here everyones always like oh that pill has acid in it or it has heroin bla bla even 2ce pill etc...

Its all fucking bullshit! You seriously think you can put acid in a pill? do you know how sensetive acid is?

Only way ive ever thought of it being done is if the dealer put a drop of acid on the pill before sale....