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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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#1
 2008-02-26, 00:47
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poofeek 
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Trouble sleeping at night
Alright, heres my problem, I can barley ever fall asleep before 4 am. I always feel tired during the day, but never during the night. I've tried skipping a day of sleep but I still cant fall asleep at night. Anyway, heres my question: What would the best sleeping pill be, as in efficiency as opposed to side-effects . I used to use ambien recreationaly about 2 years ago, and even the thought of taking it makes me sick(literally), I've gottan prescribed trazadone a year ago and that shit makes my legs go numb and i wake up feeling like shit. So anyway, thanks in advance.
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#2
 2008-02-26, 00:53
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
Melatonin + Benadryl + Weed (optional) + Chamomile tea (optional)
Ya, your sleep cycle is fuxored.
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#3
 2008-02-26, 01:01
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
I already smoke plenty of weed, but it doesnt make me tired, makes me more awake if anything.
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#4
 2008-02-26, 01:02
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
I thought Benadryl wasn't any good for sleeping because it fucks with REM or something?
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#5
 2008-02-26, 01:05
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
Oh, i can get scripts from my doc, so if theres something better than otc, ill get it.
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#6
 2008-02-26, 01:16
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
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Originally Posted by poofeek
Oh, i can get scripts from my doc, so if theres something better than otc, ill get it.
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If you want to sleep.
Get on seroquel.
Impossible to stay up on it.
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#7
 2008-02-26, 01:20
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poofeek 
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
yea.... I meant legit scripts....
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#8
 2008-02-26, 02:03
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
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Originally Posted by poofeek
yea.... I meant legit scripts....
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Get some hypodermic needles and a couple baggies of heroin, you'll be sleepin good in no time!
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#9
 2008-02-26, 02:07
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
I second seroquel, I take it every night. It knocks you out. I doubt you'd be able to get perscribed to it unless you have a diagnosed mood disorder or something though.
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#10
 2008-02-26, 02:08
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poofeek 
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
oh, come on... I know its totse, but seriously dont post if your gonna say something stupid like that. I'm actually being serious, and im not a troll, so i expect some serious responses, not just troll responses.
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#11
 2008-02-26, 02:12
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
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Originally Posted by hypermradhd
I second seroquel, I take it every night. It knocks you out. I doubt you'd be able to get perscribed to it unless you have a diagnosed mood disorder or something though.
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I third that! But add Lunesta to it! The Lunesta is the best of the Z-Class drugs IMO. Kinda like weak-ass Valium.
--KP
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#12
 2008-02-26, 02:16
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
Get on seroquel.
That shit will put an elephant to sleep.
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#13
 2008-02-26, 02:21
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
Seroquel, benzos, alcohol or ambien will all get the job done. I take 100-200 mg benadryl/diphenhydramine for sleep, that dose has me drowsy in no time. Don't stay up on all that benadryl, it'll make you real loopy over 100mg.
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#14
 2008-02-26, 02:35
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
diphenhydramine 50-100mg for my 135lb body works but i feel sleepy in the morning so I only use it if I just have to sleep..
The best way IMO (and I'm surprised no one else has mentioned it..) is to masturbate/have sex before bed. wow.
Avoid caffeine, nicotine, etc. after around noon.
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#15
 2008-02-26, 02:47
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APguy 
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
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Originally Posted by mr_whackamole
diphenhydramine 50-100mg for my 135lb body works but i feel sleepy in the morning so I only use it if I just have to sleep..
The best way IMO (and I'm surprised no one else has mentioned it..) is to masturbate/have sex before bed. wow.
Avoid caffeine, nicotine, etc. after around noon.
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I take benadryl at 9pm or earlier so I'm not drowsy in the morning.
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#16
 2008-02-26, 06:14
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
1. Smoke Bowl
2. Take three 3mg melatonin
3. drink 6-8 drinks
4. take benadryl
5. smoke a cigarette
All of the above five must be used to attain effective sleep.
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#17
 2008-02-26, 07:41
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poofeek 
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
I third that! But add Lunesta to it! The Lunesta is the best of the Z-Class drugs IMO. Kinda like weak-ass Valium.
--KP
i thought lunesta was ambien. correct me if im wrong.
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#18
 2008-02-28, 02:44
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
i thought lunesta was ambien. correct me if im wrong.
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*corrects poofeek
2 different drugs
Second:
Try doing a day or 2 of sleep deprivation....with a nice work out.
You will be tired, and reprogram back into a more suitable schedule.
At times i go a day without sleep to reset myself.
You dont fall asleep because you are not tired, all you do is sit on your ass, and smoke pot.
Third:
working out should be beneficial.
go outside, start to jog/walk....trust me it is great to support sanity of mind and body makes you feel great too. (runners high....is quite what it sounds like)
Fourth:
Dont fucking sleep until you feel like it....... i know it is tempting to stay in bed......especially if you have nowhere to be at a particular time, early in the morning.
Get up! no matter how tired you are......
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off course there is the EASY way.....
go bitch at your Dr.
have fun tripping out on Seroquel......... Nothing like hitting the town on 200mg of Seroquel! :D
SRSLY stay away from the Z class drugs like Ambien and lunesta.
I had a friend that fucked himself Very Very hard with daily ambien snort-age. Those shits are Baaaaad for your brain.
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#19
 2008-02-28, 02:53
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
150mg tablets of Trazadone are what get the job done for me. But still even with that, I have trouble. But I account that for the fact that I have extreme insomnia.
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#20
 2008-02-28, 02:54
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
XTREME insomnia.

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#21
 2008-02-28, 03:23
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
sleeping pills never put me to sleep for some reason, I actually end up staying up all night. The best thing that works for me is nyquil, drink like a cap full or a cap and a half.
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#22
 2008-02-28, 03:42
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
Smoke two joints and drink half a bottle of NyQuil. Report to me in the morning.
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#23
 2008-02-28, 03:49
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
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Originally Posted by JAMAL
sleeping pills never put me to sleep for some reason, I actually end up staying up all night. The best thing that works for me is nyquil, drink like a cap full or a cap and a half.
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Diphenhydramine makes some people excitable instead of tired, especially children. Nyquil is good stuff, especially if it still has 10% alcohol. It doesen't seem the same to me, the stuff used to knock me out after a few sips. If diphenhydramine doesen't work for you try doxylamine, the sedating antihistamine in NyQuil. Unisom is doxylamine, but only the pills, the geltabs are diphenhydramine.
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#24
 2008-02-28, 04:56
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
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Smoke two joints and drink half a bottle of NyQuil. Report to me in the morning.
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uhhh...muy leiver is feeling bubbly, and i gots blurry visionz and t3h upset stomach...
should i goe see teh doctor???
NyQuil has a shit load of acetaminophen....i have seen a bottle with 500mg per 15ml serving
and to think of t3h kidz:(.....pretty fucking fucked up...:(
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#25
 2008-02-28, 05:10
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
I didn't read the last two pages of posts but I would suggest (like many probably have) some pot.
Weed will definitly get you to sleep faster, although it may< reduce REM sleep while increasing whats called Stage 4 sleep.
However, this isn't really any different from other hypnotics you'd be prescribed.
Source
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/medical/hollis1.htm
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#26
 2008-02-28, 05:55
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
doxylamine succinate pills (active antihistamine in nyquil - blows benadryl outta the water, and most prescription sleeping pills, hell even some opiates imo) is what i like to use if i'm out of my GHB which is what i use for sleeping
then again before i got my G source i was drinking insane amounts of alcohol to sleep, but even with my routine 45 mins of cardio a day i was gaining weight which just wasn't going down for me. maybe being fat doesn't bother you for some reason though, in that case bottoms up
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#27
 2008-02-28, 06:39
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
Don't know if anyone has said this but 5-HTP is great for sleep.
Take it about an hour before you want to go to bed and if you do this regularly it could possibly fix your whole sleeping issue.
Also nothing will work if your not actually trying to sleep but just waiting to feel sleepy, go lay in bed and relax with the lights off. Read about how your body works with melatonin and your pineal gland with light if you want to know more.
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#28
 2008-02-28, 07:51
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
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Originally Posted by poofeek
I already smoke plenty of weed, but it doesnt make me tired, makes me more awake if anything.
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Try different weed.
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#29
 2008-02-28, 08:01
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
I had a friend that fucked himself Very Very hard with daily ambien snort-age. Those shits are Baaaaad for your brain.
A. like I've said before, I've tried sleep deprivation
B. I dont recall it being daily, more like weekly(then again I wouldnt remember much of that would I?)
C. HOLY SHIT! this is the first time you havent trolled...
D. I know about your alter ego!
I forget which letter comes next so...
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#30
 2008-02-28, 08:03
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poofeek 
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
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Originally Posted by Derelictmyballs
150mg tablets of Trazadone are what get the job done for me. But still even with that, I have trouble. But I account that for the fact that I have extreme insomnia.
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dude... I took 150mgs of trazadone once... didnt make me sleep but... I did have a fun time sitting on the shitter for an hour and a half.
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#31
 2008-02-28, 13:47
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
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Originally Posted by steel211
doxylamine succinate pills (active antihistamine in nyquil - blows benadryl outta the water, and most prescription sleeping pills, hell even some opiates imo) is what i like to use if i'm out of my GHB which is what i use for sleeping
then again before i got my G source i was drinking insane amounts of alcohol to sleep, but even with my routine 45 mins of cardio a day i was gaining weight which just wasn't going down for me. maybe being fat doesn't bother you for some reason though, in that case bottoms up
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Doxylamine kicks ass. It is my #1 choice for insomnia.
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#32
 2008-02-28, 16:52
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
A. like I've said before, I've tried sleep deprivation
B. I dont recall it being daily, more like weekly(then again I wouldnt remember much of that would I?)
C. HOLY SHIT! this is the first time you havent trolled...
D. I know about your alter ego!
I forget which letter comes next so...
i dont know if you are insulting me or what...
i wrote out a huge list for you.....you ungrateful fuck.
And you answer with some gay shit....i bet you are some fat 13 year old kid who stays up at night playing some obscure MMORPG.
I think you sound like an autistic 13 year old fetal alcahol syndrome baby....but thats just my opinion
Maybe Sleeping problems are the worst of your worries....
You sound like you could use some SERIOUS therapy.
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#33
 2008-02-28, 19:53
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
soma plus weed and percs
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#34
 2008-02-28, 20:25
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
dude... I took 150mgs of trazadone once... didnt make me sleep but... I did have a fun time sitting on the shitter for an hour and a half.
...that sucks. Can't say that's ever happened to me, though. They've been gradually upping my dosage since I've been on it so long.
Apparently it's also an anti-depressant?
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#35
 2008-02-28, 20:37
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
...that sucks. Can't say that's ever happened to me, though. They've been gradually upping my dosage since I've been on it so long.
Apparently it's also an anti-depressant?
its an anti depressant at very high doses
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#36
 2008-02-28, 20:37
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
i dont know if you are insulting me or what...
i wrote out a huge list for you.....you ungrateful fuck.
And you answer with some gay shit....i bet you are some fat 13 year old kid who stays up at night playing some obscure MMORPG.
I think you sound like an autistic 13 year old fetal alcahol syndrome baby....but thats just my opinion
Maybe Sleeping problems are the worst of your worries....
You sound like you could use some SERIOUS therapy.
I wasnt insulting you, I was insulting the troll using your account.
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#37
 2008-02-28, 22:35
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
i'm prescribed lunesta, and it definitely helps me get to sleep. just my 2 cents.
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#38
 2008-02-28, 23:07
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
Try changing your sleep rythm some are hunters and fighters some are gatherers. Me, I feel tired if I sleep more than 4-5 hours a day.
I can sleep for days though ( probably for healing )
I usually go to sleep about 12 or 1 and get up at 3 , sleep again at 4 if nothings happening ( I do well with 2 - 3 hours even ) then get up at 5 , school at 8 if workday.
Used to be 10 valiums and a half ( bottle ) a Jack would put me to sleep for 2 hours ( it was pretty cold that day outside though and that house didn't have insulation damnit. just bricks )
Then I started by training sleeping .
Deep breaths, think nothing , don't move even for that itch. you won't itch after a certain point anymore. hehe
Then I found my sleeping rythm. Took me 8 years of being tired all day to realise "normal people" sleeping times don't apply to me.
Love
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#39
 2008-02-29, 00:37
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
i dont know if you are insulting me or what...
i wrote out a huge list for you.....you ungrateful fuck.
And you answer with some gay shit....i bet you are some fat 13 year old kid who stays up at night playing some obscure MMORPG.
I think you sound like an autistic 13 year old fetal alcahol syndrome baby....but thats just my opinion
Maybe Sleeping problems are the worst of your worries....
You sound like you could use some SERIOUS therapy.
You shouldn't be so quick to insult people. Honestly not a lot of people here have room to talk about being a fat kid staying up at night on a computer, because in the end your on a forum right now.
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#40
 2008-02-29, 11:54
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
get drunk and pop pills if needed, not the best for everyday. I usually take 2 or so beers and any medication i need and be able to fall asleep. Rozeram, klonopins whatevers.
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#41
 2008-02-29, 12:13
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
I've been having trouble sleeping ever since i stoped doing K, it just makes it fuckin impossible and fucks my sleeping patterns. Trying to drink myself to sleep hasnt had good resulets either, :(
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#42
 2008-02-29, 12:18
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Re: Trouble sleeping at night
I'd take 3-6 mg of melatonin at the time you wish to be tired at every night or alternating nights into you start to get tired earlier. A lot of people say melatonin does shit all but it seriously works for me.
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