why is it? it's related to all the other legal pain killers, why is fentanyl legal but heroin is not? idk but for me it just doesn't make sense why they don't use heroin for it's pain killing properties, i mean it's probably just as effective if not more than the other ones. also if they made it legal addicts wouldn't be having to inject impure shit, injecting that shit makes up for what is so detrimental to their health, seriously we need to legalize heroin..

i've never done heroin

uhm, this is just a guess, but maybe because its almost 100% instantly addictive?

Cuz it feels soooo damn good yeah

yeah but don't some opiates feel just as good? also they would'nt be prescribing doses to get you fucked up they would give you doses just to manage the pain, so the only people becoming addicted are the people abusing it

It was one of the first big opiates that euphoric to be widely abused, they came out with most of the other strong ones later on after heroin was illegal

It's basically like morphine but with a greater rush. Theirs no point to the better rush other than recreational use. Theirs tons of other opioids that are schedule 1, just because they are medically uneccesary.

also they would'nt be prescribing doses to get you fucked up they would give you doses just to manage the pain, so the only people becoming addicted are the people abusing it

Not at all true. A large percentage of legitimate opioid patients become physically and psychologically addicted.

WRONG. FENTANYL is ILLEGAL, if you have a 'SCRIPT, then its legal, same as everything else.

Watch trainspotting and you'll find out

watch, American Drug War: the last white hope

its cause companys want you to get addicted on their drugs such as oxycodon or whatever its called instead of the illegal version.

Same question about pot... especailly since there is NO evidence to show its bad for you (other then lung diseases)

WRONG. FENTANYL is ILLEGAL, if you have a 'SCRIPT, then its legal, same as everything else.

WHAT?!?!?!? MY FENTANYL IS ILLEGAL????

You mean now I can't go down to walmart and get me my fenny patches?

Heroin is very rarely prescribed in the UK for severe pain. Its only rarely prescribed because its just too powerful to be used theraputically unless the person has a mad tollerance to normal pain killers. Its generally used for terminal patients.

^ yeah but fentanyl is alot stronger and would therefore become more hazardous to your health.

That's why it's made in the form of patches or lollipops so you don't get alot at once. It's not supposed to be inject or smoked. If you die as a result of doing that, then it's your own fault you fucking junky.

Nothing legal has as bad of withdrawal symptoms. and it's not JUST a pain killer. heroin = diacetyl morphine. morphine that attaches itself to a certain part of your brain that makes it literally impossible to feel any sort of physical OR mental discomfort until it wears off. You could be a dirty butt ugly motherfucker with your face burnt off, with no money, who's entire family just got murdered, and who's dick is amputated, with no money, place to stay, or future.. but still be perfectly happy with a nice dose of pure heroin until it wears off.

Nothing legal has as bad of withdrawal symptoms.

Benzos

Heroin doesn't need to be legal, just look at all the middle schoolers who are getting media attention off of "withdrawing" from vicodin, the last thing we need is for heroin to be as available as a pack of cigarettes or even at a controlled status, just irresponsible

Probably b/c of all the people who OD themselves to death. It's VERY easy on H, especially if you're opioid naive.

The reason they don't legalize it is b/c the methadone clinics would lose customers. It's all about big business!

--KP

don't you have a lightbulb to attend to?

Benzos

People die from w/d's.

Legal/controlled substance withdrawals that can be worse than heroin? Alcohol, benzos, methadone along with a lot of other synthetic/semi-synthetic opioids/opiates, barbiturates, although barbs aren't common nowadays.

Also, if you were a "dirty butt ugly motherfucker with your face burnt off, with no money, who's entire family just got murdered, and who's dick is amputated, with no money, place to stay, or future", I don't think any amount of brown would let you forget that too easily. I've taken a hell of a lot of the shit, and it's rare for me to truly not give a fuck about anything, unless I'm gouching out hard. Maybe I care too much.

Or maybe you're an idiot.

Look at it this way, if heroin was legal, marijuana would have to be legal too, otherwise it would make our country look retarded (not that it doesn't already have that image, but that's a different conversation).

Anyone who has ever got in trouble for weed knows that if weed was legal there would be thousands of moronic people who would be out of jobs because they work for the court or court related services. Some of these people don't even know how to use a computer properly and need a calculator to add up 4 numbers that equal 60. Where in the world would idiots like this work if people weren't getting in trouble for pot and paying the crazy fees related to the crime?

If heroin was legal, there would be even more of these idiots without jobs. Although there might be more business in rehab clinics, but people who work in rehab clinics have a higher degree of education than those who work for the court or the court's related businesses. Just my opinion.

don't you have a lightbulb to attend to?

If I want a speedy high, I'll just buy some good ol' crack thank ya very much! DAMMIT! Now I do want some crack! Thanks a lot!

--KP

If I want a speedy high, I'll just buy some good ol' crack thank ya very much! DAMMIT! Now I do want some crack! Thanks a lot!

--KP

Alright guy, how's shit?

I'm on crack.

Despite its potency, fentanyl is no where NEAR as euphoric as heroin.

i've never done heroin

Well try it and find out idiot.

I disagree! IMO, some opioids blow heroin away! Fentanyl & Methadone being 2 of them! When I did Fentanyl, I felt like I died & gone off to heaven. However, after a year of being heroin-free, I find that H regains it's magic again!

--KP

Because heroin is highly addictive and is relatively non-toxic compared to fentanyls.

Fentanyls (yes, there are dozens) aren't worthy of being banned because you will most likely end up killing yourself if you don't have access to microgram scales. It cannot be considered "drug" by any standard, being so damn potent it just knocks you out/kills you, making it closer from poison than drug.

Carfentanil:

Analogue of the popular synthetic opioid analgesic fentanyl, and is one of the most potent opioids known (also the most potent opioid used commercially). Carfentanil was discovered by Janssen Pharmaceutica. It has a quantitative potency approximately 10,000 times that of morphine and 100 times that of fentanyl, activity in humans starting at about 1 μg.

Note: You'll never have heroin prescribed by any sane doctor, i don't even think it has a legal basis. They always follow like this in painkilling doses :

Ibuprofen -> Paracetamol -> Codeine -> 20% dilute morphine solution -> (rare cases) Ketamine -> 40% dilute morphine -> Tilidine -> Fentanyl (ultra-rare, usually only given to terminal stage cancer patients).

Anyway it's highly unlikely you'll ever get over the 40% morphine "stage", you can't basically feel anything anymore at that stage.

What state in NE do you live in?

What state in NE do you live in?

no i live in lincoln, nebraska...in the united states of america

And fentanyl isn't???

well, urine is discusting but i like the way it tastes and its sterile, so... nevermind i forgot where i was going with that..... go raiders!

Also, if you were a "dirty butt ugly motherfucker with your face burnt off, with no money, who's entire family just got murdered, and who's dick is amputated, with no money, place to stay, or future", I don't think any amount of brown would let you forget that too easily. I've taken a hell of a lot of the shit, and it's rare for me to truly not give a fuck about anything, unless I'm gouching out hard. Maybe I care too much.

I'm the same way dude, but for 15 minutes after taking it, heroin makes me forget about all my problems & concerns!

How ya been BTW vot? I been hanging in there.

--KP

wait till jay cutler has his way with your D

the people that think heroin is 100% instantly addictive have never tried it. And if they ever do, they're the ones that end up oding and dying.

It's not instantly addictive. It takes like a week (variably) of consistently frequent use, and if you're using it infrequently, even longer.

It gives you more of a euphoria. It also passes the blood brrain barrier alot faster than normal morphine.

cause you couldn't handle it

Well, I would imagine its illegal not because of the negative health effects or the fact that its addictive, but because of the things people are driven to do because of addiction. Im not saying that people will get addicted after one hit, but when they do get hooked, they seem VERY determined to get their heroin.

Heroin addicts might be driven to robbery, prostitution, murder, etc, etc.

Same reason crack, PCP, and plenty of other hard drugs are illegal.

I'm the same way dude, but for 15 minutes after taking it, heroin makes me forget about all my problems & concerns!

How ya been BTW vot? I been hanging in there.

--KP

Yeah mate I'm feelin nice, took a few vallies and had a bag of gear earlier and a bit more I'm going to finish off within the next 10 mins.. Im trying to stabilise on 1 bag a day(!) with the help of an amazing person from one of the many substance abuse services my city. You know what it's like. You should come on AIM more mate.

you guys kind of blew this out of context, i was talking about using heroin for medicinal purposes, not just getting high....but not i realize why it's illegal because its so damn euphoric........but someone please tell me why this drug is illegal...KHAT
its fucking harmless look at this chart

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_% 28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg

i like how the government makes way less harmful things like cannabis and khat illegal, especially khat look at how low it scores on that chart. has anyone here actually dont khat either?

Heroin is illegal because it is unhealthy for a human to feel that happy for a relatively short period of time.

Nothing legal has as bad of withdrawal symptoms.

Alcohol and tobacco?

and it's not JUST a pain killer. heroin = diacetyl morphine. morphine that attaches itself to a certain part of your brain that makes it literally impossible to feel any sort of physical OR mental discomfort until it wears off.

lolwut?

You could be a dirty butt ugly motherfucker with your face burnt off, with no money, who's entire family just got murdered, and who's dick is amputated, with no money, place to stay, or future.. but still be perfectly happy with a nice dose of pure heroin until it wears off.

Theres so much misinformation in this thread I think Im going to drown.:(

Actually thats just internet-weed dude, he isn't very smart...

That kind of reminds me of a chart online I saw that listed the most and least dangerous drugs. It wasn't the one you posted, but it was kind of similar. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

If heroin was available via prescription: those currently taking the drug would be able to continue taking it without affecting the rest of society, and new users would find it extremely difficult to get the drug because street dealers would be going out of business. Irresponsible usage would drop, and those with a severe addiction would be more likely to fit back into society. Win-win.

It's really tough to have a stance on prohibition and black market drugs. I try not to be bias or contradicting most of the time, and saying that all drug should be legal, is a very contradicting thing to say, pertaining to my beliefs anyway...

I think the world could do better with some things being legalized, but I realize why the government doesn't want to do it. No one but "the users" are complaining about prohibition, and it has worked for the last 60+ years fairly well... it brings in a shit load of money due to arrests and charges. (and the fact that the DEA has had their hands in the cocaine dealio for ages!) and the fact that people die... they don't give a fuck if junkies/crack heads are dropping like flies, because they don't see these people as people, they see their death as MORE MOOLA being brought into the country, mainly from crack-head/junkie family members. It has just been too long for drugs to change in legal status, aside from maybe cannabis ONE DAY! but I see that as not happening either because of the amount of drug money seized, property and other marijuana related money getting back into the system. Why would the government grow our weed for us and sell it to us, while getting slack from other countries, when they could just let us grow it, sell it, then book us, take our money and then charge us (more money) It just doesn't make sense (from my money-grubbing asshole politician side.)

Why would the government grow our weed for us and sell it to us, while getting slack from other countries, when they could just let us grow it, sell it, then book us, take our money and then charge us (more money) It just doesn't make sense (from my money-grubbing asshole politician side.)

Which exposes the much deeper root of the 'drug problem', as well as other problems with western culture, the governments relationship with the people.

The government is supposed to work for the people, to run things the way we see fit. Its not supposed to be this mysterious and authoritative organization above the members of society, treating those people as no more then an expendable resource, stepping on us as it selfishly fulfills its own desires.

The money-grubbing asshole politicians are not even supposed to be part of the picture. We foolishly put the fate of our society into the hands of the most selfish and power hungry individuals available, time and time again.

Fuck, if only I had some heroin maybe my life wouldn't suck so much!

Why are all the psychedelics schedule I?

When a government's decisions, intelligence and studies are based on completely irrational knowledge and lack of research...it's better to just not ask questions.

Have you ever heard of diversion? Happens with painkillers everyday.

you guys kind of blew this out of context, i was talking about using heroin for medicinal purposes, not just getting high....but not i realize why it's illegal because its so damn euphoric........but someone please tell me why this drug is illegal...KHAT
its fucking harmless look at this chart

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_% 28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg

i like how the government makes way less harmful things like cannabis and khat illegal, especially khat look at how low it scores on that chart. has anyone here actually dont khat either?I wouldn't take that chart seriously. Looks like a bunch of bullshit. Heroin, as with other opiates, causes little if any physical harm on their own. I wont bother going into the rest.

This may have already been mentioned, but heroin and can be prescribed in England and some other countries as well.

Because most people are happy with life the way it is.

Love

This is a little off topic, but did you guys know that 4mg of Dilaudid is only $0.43/ IV tab? Even without insurance.

really? my dealer makes me pay 2$ for one tab. Ima see if i can haggle him down to 1.75 atleast

really? my dealer makes me pay 2$ for one tab. Ima see if i can haggle him down to 1.75 atleast

It's only fucking 25cents less I doubt your dealer wants to carry around change.