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Old 2008-02-13, 03:00
Tom_Sawyer Tom_Sawyer is offline
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Question Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

So I'm currently on probation, and thus getting drug tested. Of course, the drug screen includes opiates.

Therefore, I am looking for opiates of recreational value that won't show up in your standard, dipstick test. I know methadone and suboxone wouldn't, but I'm not really a fan of either, and I'm looking for something with a shorter duration and more intense high.

Thanks in advance for any help.

- Tom
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Old 2008-02-13, 03:06
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

I don't think there really are any good opiates that won't show up in tests. You could always try out kratom, it's about as good as codiene. How often are you being tested?
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Old 2008-02-13, 03:11
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

lol, good luck.

i agree with kratom. but i'd put it somewhere between codeine and dihydrocodeine (not much difference, lol). It keeps off wds for some people. if you don't have much tolerance, it gives a decent euphoria. If you were doin oxy or heroin, don't waste your time.
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Old 2008-02-13, 03:31
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lol, good luck.

i agree with kratom. but i'd put it somewhere between codeine and dihydrocodeine (not much difference, lol). It keeps off wds for some people. if you don't have much tolerance, it gives a decent euphoria. If you were doin oxy or heroin, don't waste your time.
codeine sucks.
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Old 2008-02-13, 03:31
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codeine sucks.
It is still better than nothing.
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Old 2008-02-13, 03:32
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It is still better than nothing.
I disagree.
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Old 2008-02-13, 03:33
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

Fentanyl
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Old 2008-02-13, 03:37
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I disagree.
I bet you do.
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Old 2008-02-13, 04:05
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I disagree.
thats because your an idiot.
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Old 2008-02-13, 04:07
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

it all matters what type of drug test it is, lortab wont show up a 5 point, cause it only looks for morphine/codeine, and hydrocodone doesnt metabolize into neither of them..
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Old 2008-02-13, 04:24
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it all matters what type of drug test it is, lortab wont show up a 5 point, cause it only looks for morphine/codeine, and hydrocodone doesnt metabolize into neither of them..


I would resort to Vicodin, but I have to eat handfuls of the little fuckers just to feel any effects, and I don't even have much a tolerance to opiates as it is.

I wasn't shooting dope or anything, but I have experience with Oxy and the like, and I know my limits.

Could anyone else back up the fent idea?

- Tom
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Old 2008-02-13, 05:39
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Oxy does NOT show up on a standard drug test. You know,the NiDA 5 panel tests.

I did oxy for about 3 months while getting drug tests and not once dropped dirty. I had to quit because they started to lab my tests and i got paranoid.

Ask yourself these questions:

1. Is your urine getting sent to be analyzed by the lab?

2. Is this probation for something drug related? Chances are if so,then they would be more less looking for drugs in a 9 panel test everyonce in a while

3.Are you overweight(metabolism,people) or have any medical issues/diet issues that might effect the outcome of a test and cause perhaps a false positive?

I dunna,thats my 2 cents. I did alot of oxy during this 3 month period and never dropped dirty for it. Still kind of scary it was at times. Maybe i got lucky. They give me the 9 panel tests now and lab it every fucking time Mad

I also recently had a hair test. But I've been completely clean for about 6 months now. Ask any more questions if you have them,dude. I unfortunately know alot about drug testing. I've probably pissed so much for the law that i could fill up a 55 gallon drum easily,lol.
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Old 2008-02-13, 06:01
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

HC seems like your best bet. Just try to get it in syrup form (1ml=1mg), and you don't have to eat any fucking APAP.
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Old 2008-02-13, 07:16
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

;9601561']1. Is your urine getting sent to be analyzed by the lab?

2. Is this probation for something drug related? Chances are if so,then they would be more less looking for drugs in a 9 panel test everyonce in a while

3.Are you overweight(metabolism,people) or have any medical issues/diet issues that might effect the outcome of a test and cause perhaps a false positive?

1. No, I am randomly drug tested with a regular ole' dip test. I just pee in a cup, the PO drops the test in, get the results, then the sample is flushed.

2. My offenses are property-related. I believe I'm going to get the standard five-panel test. I haven't actually been tested yet because I just started, but I plan on keeping clean until I find out all the details for sure. I assume I am just going to get the regular morphine/codeine panel.

3. I am a very fit person, and I work out regularly and eat a fairly healthy diet. I don't think that would be a problem.

I'm just a little apprehensive about doing Oxy because I've heard that it could spring the morphine panel. If I come up for a hard drug, I could be going away for a couple years, so I just want to be safe.

Has anyone else had experience with Oxy and drug tests?

- Tom
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Old 2008-02-13, 07:33
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

Has anyone else had experience with Oxy and drug tests?

- Tom


Like hydrocodone, oxycodone does not show up on the standard test. I don't think Fent is either, but I am not certain of that.
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Old 2008-02-13, 07:46
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

Like hydrocodone, oxycodone does not show up on the standard test. I don't think Fent is either, but I am not certain of that.

Fent wont, it doesnt metabolize into anything that is looked for, and even so it would be hard to detect since the dosage is so small
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Old 2008-02-13, 08:35
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Does tramadol show up on drug tests?
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Old 2008-02-13, 08:43
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Fent wont, it doesnt metabolize into anything that is looked for, and even so it would be hard to detect since the dosage is so small


That's what I figured. But I couldn't find any info to back that up - though I didn't look too hard.
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Old 2008-02-13, 08:45
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

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Does tramadol show up on drug tests?


nope
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Old 2008-02-13, 08:47
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That's what I figured. But I couldn't find any info to back that up - though I didn't look too hard.

Google meta!

Or, I found this cool site called Erowid...for you smelly hippies.
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Old 2008-02-13, 08:51
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

Google meta!

Or, I found this cool site called Erowid...for you smelly hippies.

wtf!!!

you asked a question that could also be answered by the same exact reply....you double standard whore...
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Old 2008-02-13, 08:56
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wtf!!!

you asked a question that could also be answered by the same exact reply....you double standard whore...

I know I rule like that. Plus it was a joke...your post may have been too..sarcasm doesn't translate into text very well. :p
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Old 2008-02-13, 19:27
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

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Originally Posted by Tom_Sawyer
So I'm currently on probation, and thus getting drug tested. Of course, the drug screen includes opiates.

Therefore, I am looking for opiates of recreational value that won't show up in your standard, dipstick test. I know methadone and suboxone wouldn't, but I'm not really a fan of either, and I'm looking for something with a shorter duration and more intense high.

Thanks in advance for any help.

- Tom

any opioid that doesnt turn to morphine would probably do. I think they can tst for oxy or hydro but not on the 5 panel.
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Old 2008-02-13, 19:31
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

Oxycodone will not show up on a regular 5 panel test. It has to be tested for specifically.

Same applies for a few other common opiates/opiods, but I can't be bothered to look into it
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Old 2008-02-13, 21:22
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

My friend did hydromorphone daily, and oxy at least a couple times a week for a good 8 months while taking random drug tests for probation.
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Old 2008-02-14, 06:19
Tom_Sawyer Tom_Sawyer is offline
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

Thanks for the helpful replies guys.

My girlfriend has a bottle of hydromorphone that her mom has abandoned because she no longer took them. I've never tried it, but I've heard it's pretty good shit.

Can anyone else back up that hydromorphone doesn't trip the morphine panel?

EDIT: So I realized I could just check Erowid, and it confirmed that dillies don't show up for morphine. So that leads me to dosage. If I need to rail about 30-40mg of Oxy to get a nice high going, how much hydromorphone would I need to take? What is the best route of administration?

- Tom
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Old 2008-02-14, 19:11
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Wow, Meta the retard Mod even posted in a thread...that is supposed to be in the DRUG TESTING STICKY?!

Jesus.

OP: Oxycodone/fentanyl does not show up in the probation tests. Even in the extended tests (Someone said they stopped taking it because they were scared) it does not show up. Their are "extended extended" test that can pick up oxycodone/fentanyl and even lsd.

Hydomorphone will fuck you shit up, but if you time it right it would be better then morphine or heroin.
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Old 2008-02-17, 23:33
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methadone and fentanyl dont show up on probation tests....
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Old 2008-02-17, 23:55
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would hydrocodone cause one to come up positive for oxycodone?
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Old 2008-02-24, 23:50
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

Carfentanyl
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Old 2008-02-25, 00:32
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

Hydromorphone is pretty much based off of morphine man of course that will show up.Go with fentanyl meth hydro oxy or sub.You are safe with those.I know everything about everything when it comes to opiates.
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Old 2008-02-25, 00:57
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

Semi-synthetics like hydro/oxy-codone/morphone won't show up unless they've specially extended the drug test (which they almost never do, but always prepare for the worst...). Meperidine/pethidine (Demerol) will only show up in VERY specific tests, and they'll only test you for it if they have a reason to assume you've been abusing it, but it can cause seizures and general uncomfortableness in high enough doses. Like most of these posters stated before, I highly doubt Fentanyl will show up, so if you're just looking for something to stave off withdrawals, that's probably your safest bet.

Edit: Lol at Meta posting but not closing on account of having an official thread :p.
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Old 2008-02-25, 04:09
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it depends on what you are being tested for....
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Old 2008-02-25, 04:18
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Suboxone shouldn't show up.

--KP
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Old 2008-02-25, 05:20
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Kratom is a lot better than fucking codeine you dipshits.
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Old 2008-02-25, 15:22
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

Try being sober for a while. I hear its the new "high".
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Old 2008-02-25, 15:30
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Try being sober for a while. I hear its the new "high".


you just contradicted yourself you stupid retarded faggot.
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Old 2008-02-25, 18:01
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

I've been on probation for a little under 2 years now and oxy, buupe, hydrocodone, methadone haven't showed up
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Old 2008-02-25, 18:41
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I've been on probation for a little under 2 years now and oxy, buupe, hydrocodone, methadone haven't showed up


whatever. i don't buy this for a second.
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Old 2008-02-25, 19:01
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whatever. i don't buy this for a second.

riiiiight, because im actually typing this from jail because i failed a piss test
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Old 2008-02-25, 19:40
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riiiiight, because im actually typing this from jail because i failed a piss test

U serious bro?
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Old 2008-03-06, 01:53
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Default Re: Opiates that don't show up in drug screens...

So it turns out I'm getting screened for a whole battery of different opiates, including methadone. I guess this is all out.

Thanks anyway guys.

- Tom
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