now this may seem a retarded idea, i dunno it would seem to work, although i know nothing of chemistry like this... yet.

Anyway my idea is, getting some liquid THC (pure maybe or 99%, how would i get it anyway, melt crystals?) then dipping some edible paper into it. Would this work? if so, how would i go avbout getting liquid THC, and would it have the same effects ,except maybe quicker, as smoking cannabis

Failure. You need fat to absorb. Your shit ain't got no fat

explain in stupid terms please, i dont understand. im amateur

explain in stupid terms please, i dont understand. im amateur

Orly? Thc needs to be dissolved in fat for it to be absorbed if it is taken orally. If you smoked one of the pieces of paper it might get you high, but it would be a waste to eat it.

ok... so is it a definate failure or is there some way it may work?

You could try dehydrating cannibutter and putting it in capsules.

I have heard of THC glycerin drops, I would look into that some.

How fuck are you gonna get pure THC? This is a shitty idea.

How fuck are you gonna get pure THC? This is a shitty idea.

i dont know, thats why i asked

Pure THC is extremely rare to come by and if you wanted to make it, the precursors are extremely expensive to the point where it just makes more sense to smoke the god damn weed.

I think you're best option would be to get some highly proofed liquer (151+) and disolve the best hashoil you can get (or make some bomb oil) into that. Then you might be able to swing something like eyedrops for your tounge that get you high. You might want to look into marinol. I once took one of those and it was pretty crazy. Like a brownie in a pill. They use sesame seed oil so you may be able to work around that fact too. You'll never be able to melt the crystals. Please don't try that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_55,940

hmm THC has a half-life apparantly, that doesnt make sense cos weed still contains THC after 2 weeks doesnt it? and its half-life is 4.3-12.6 days.

I have heard of THC glycerin drops, I would look into that some.



This, I believe there is a guide somewhere (GOOGLE), that shows you how this is done.

Failure, Failure, failure. Its a HALF life, that means the molecule is HALFWAY deteriorated in 4.3-12.6 days.

THC is very volatile, you wouldn't be able to keep it as a liquid. Your best bet would be to try and get it to dissolve in something like glycerine, but I don't think a tab would hold enough THC anyway.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/192/p1000470el2.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000470el2.jpg)

That's the stuff.

Failure, Failure, failure. Its a HALF life, that means the molecule is HALFWAY deteriorated in 4.3-12.6 days.
NO YOU STUPID FUCKER.


Half life means that half of the total WEIGHT of the compound has been EXCRETED OR METABOLIZED. NOT HALF THE FUCKING MOLECULE JESUS YOU FUCKING NOOB.


That is the only mistake in this thread that I really have the patience to even think about correcting, the rest just piss me off so bad I can't even begin to discuss it without wanting to fucking stab every one of you.


In short, this whole fucking thread is fail, and maybe when I've calmed down a bit I will come back and explain just how fucking retarded every single one of you is.


Fucking christ you kids are dumb.

Failure, Failure, failure. Its a HALF life, that means the molecule is HALFWAY deteriorated in 4.3-12.6 days.

That's the biological elimination half-life, half-wit, meaning that it takes 4.3-12.6 days for blood plasma levels of THC to reduce by half.

The terminal elimination half-life of delta 1-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta 1-THC) was investigated in eight men who were heavy users of marijuana. A stable isotope assay, following smoking deuterium-labeled delta 1-THC, was used to determine plasma concentrations. In two additional users plasma levels were followed after administration of unlabeled delta 1-THC. The subjects were asked to smoke a "loading dose" of 56 mg delta 1-THC during two days and then abstain from all marijuana use for 4 weeks. The pharmacokinetic behavior was consistent with a multicompartment model with a mean plasma elimination half-life of delta 1-THC of 4.3 days when concentrations were followed for 10-15 days after smoking. In the two subjects with detectable plasma levels during 4 weeks, half-lives of 9.6 and 12.6 days was obtained.
Emphasis added.

This all means that heavy male users that 6 of 8 men had an average of 4.3 days for elimination half-life while two men had 9.6 and 12.6 respectively. Honestly, with such few subjects and such obvious exceptions (not to mention this covers only heavy using men), both the scope and size of this study should not be used as the final word on THC's elimination half life.

NO YOU STUPID FUCKER.


Half life means that half of the total WEIGHT of the compound has been EXCRETED OR METABOLIZED. NOT HALF THE FUCKING MOLECULE JESUS YOU FUCKING NOOB.


That is the only mistake in this thread that I really have the patience to even think about correcting, the rest just piss me off so bad I can't even begin to discuss it without wanting to fucking stab every one of you.


In short, this whole fucking thread is fail, and maybe when I've calmed down a bit I will come back and explain just how fucking retarded every single one of you is.


Fucking christ you kids are dumb.

my friend says he has these THC gels and he showed them to me and it was a gelcap filled with this dark green substance

is there any way that this is plausible? I can't see what substance would have enough fat to dissolve THC in that small of an area

This, I believe there is a guide somewhere (GOOGLE), that shows you how this is done.

Seriously, Try this^^^! Let us know what happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP_55,940

+1


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my friend says he has these THC gels and he showed them to me and it was a gelcap filled with this dark green substance

is there any way that this is plausible? I can't see what substance would have enough fat to dissolve THC in that small of an area

hash oil capsules.
they have them at some medical marijuana dispensaries, and they get you good and stoned.
i prefer eating cereal bars though, they taste better :)

NO YOU STUPID FUCKER.


Half life means that half of the total WEIGHT of the compound has been EXCRETED OR METABOLIZED. NOT HALF THE FUCKING MOLECULE JESUS YOU FUCKING NOOB.


That is the only mistake in this thread that I really have the patience to even think about correcting, the rest just piss me off so bad I can't even begin to discuss it without wanting to fucking stab every one of you.


In short, this whole fucking thread is fail, and maybe when I've calmed down a bit I will come back and explain just how fucking retarded every single one of you is.


Fucking christ you kids are dumb.
*points at your name*]
erm....
but srlsy, this man speaketh forward the truth.

firstly, getting PURE THC is next to impossible, i can gaurantee that you will NEVER be able to do this. it will either be destroyed, or attach itself to some other form

thc LOVES fats and alcohols, it will bind itself to these, hence why the plant itself is sticky, i believe its probably something fatty(more than likely a sugar or something)

anyway, you could make hash oil, which is kinda what your asking for. you can put a few drops of it on your cig and it will get you kinda high, but of course, thc is destroyed very easily, and tobbaco burns hotter than marijuana, thus, much of the thc is going to be destroyed if you just put it right on the tip, so if you do it, put it in the middle or something. either way its probably not gonna work

just put the oil in a foil and vape or cook it
thats bout all your capable of doing without a lab

also, you COULD make geltabs, get some glycerin and then either some REALLY good hash oil(quick way) OR grind up ALOT of bud really fine and then mix with the glycerin VERY well, let it ferment for months(either way) and then...try and form this into tabs, OR just put it in a motherfucking pill...

thats about all YOU can do.


and no, a half life of 4-12 days isnt going to mean shit about it deteriorating, thats about the isotope, theres a BIG difference between SHELF LIFE and half life, it bonds to these fats, oils, alcohols for a reason, to form a stable...form? i guess.... anyway, PURE THC probably has that half life, but we really dont know... but other than that, its going to stay as is for however long it takes for the matter it is combined with to decay.

you dont have to worry about that at all....

and yes it is possible to make tinctures but your not going to

just stick with hash oil/gelcaps and youll be fine man.
maybe do some research on thc too....


edit:yes i know im probably set nice and ripe for a flame, but this is the best to my knowledge that i can explain to this guy about it. im sure you could go on about it forever, but i honestly think what i said is the best thing for this guy to have in his head, obviously anything more complicated will not only confuse me but him too.

firstly, getting PURE THC is next to impossible, i can gaurantee that you will NEVER be able to do this. it will either be destroyed, or attach itself to some other form

For him? Maybe... Truly next to impossible? Not at all....

thc LOVES fats and alcohols, it will bind itself to these, hence why the plant itself is sticky, i believe its probably something fatty(more than likely a sugar or something)

Oh rly? http://tinyurl.com/dkeqt Or just maybe it has something to do with the acidic content (you know, what makes resin sticky)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhesion#Chemical_adhesion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resin#Derivatives

anyway, you could make hash oil, which is kinda what your asking for. you can put a few drops of it on your cig and it will get you kinda high, but of course, thc is destroyed very easily, and tobbaco burns hotter than marijuana, thus, much of the thc is going to be destroyed if you just put it right on the tip, so if you do it, put it in the middle or something. either way its probably not gonna work

No need to google cause you're an expert, right? http://tinyurl.com/2nsufp

just put the oil in a foil and vape or cook it
thats bout all your capable of doing without a lab

Or smoking it, or baking it, or extractions, or etc.

also, you COULD make geltabs, get some glycerin and then either some REALLY good hash oil(quick way) OR grind up ALOT of bud really fine and then mix with the glycerin VERY well, let it ferment for months(either way) and then...try and form this into tabs, OR just put it in a motherfucking pill...

Ferment as in rot? Or, soak, as to let the cannabinoids extract into the glycerin? Hmm... idiot. Or maybe, just maybe, he could drop drops onto his tongue.... Crazy....

thats about all YOU can do.

Speak for yourself, noob.

and no, a half life of 4-12 days isnt going to mean shit about it deteriorating, thats about the isotope, theres a BIG difference between SHELF LIFE and half life, it bonds to these fats, oils, alcohols for a reason, to form a stable...form? i guess.... anyway, PURE THC probably has that half life, but we really dont know... but other than that, its going to stay as is for however long it takes for the matter it is combined with to decay.

So much for reading the thread before you comment.

you dont have to worry about that at all....

and yes it is possible to make tinctures but your not going to

Are you kidding me? Tinctures are even easier than making hash oil or budder. In fact, soaking ground up bud in ethyl alcohol, waiting, then straining is all there is to it. Also, I'm sure he'll do whatever he goddamn well pleases.

just stick with hash oil/gelcaps and youll be fine man.
maybe I should do some research on thc too....

Fixed.

edit:yes i know im probably set nice and ripe for a flame, but this is the best to my knowledge that i can explain to this guy about it. im sure you could go on about it forever, but i honestly think what i said is the best thing for this guy to have in his head, obviously anything more complicated will not only confuse me but him too.

Well, if you don't know shit, how about you don't stick your dick out and pretend you do?

okay you got me on the why its sticky and yes i guess it DOES burn hotter than tobbaco, i just assume that tobbaco burns hotter because its ALOT harsher IMO sorry, im just getting into chemistry, but regardless my statements (or most of them) do remain valid.

and sorry, i use ferment freely, but yes it is letting it absorb into the glycerin, i just say fermenting because of the 151 thing and you associate it with that particular word cause its fucking alcohol!

also, your little points about the half life, i DID happen to read this thread, and sorry but i thought somebody like him would like some explanation as to why exactly its different instead of a buncha flamers going at him with more-than-simple-shit

and yea, pretty much that is all that he probably could do, i seriously doubt he has the equipment necessary


and regardless, im fairly sure that regardless if your smoking tobbaco or marijuana, the heat from a joint is more than likely going to destroy alot of the thc theres no doubting that....


anyway, yea i included smoking and cooking(bake!!)

idk that about covers it

although after reading those articles on resin i still dont understand why it would matter on their acidity but oh well! maybe someone could explain wtf the resin on the plant matter is made of and that could idk possibly explain its attraction to thc, although im pretty sure i covered the thing that thc is trying to form a stable bond and it goes to those type things to do so!!!

gah!

its alright i found this (http://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/17359-how-make-thc-drops.html)..... /thread

No it's not alright.

You're still an idiot. :)

what about them stoney ranchers


http://www.martindale.com/criminal-law/article_Manatt-Phelps-Phillips-LLP_305998.htm

your all idiots, die in a pit of fire.

srrl

okay you got me on the why its sticky and yes i guess it DOES burn hotter than tobbaco, i just assume that tobbaco burns hotter because its ALOT harsher IMO sorry, im just getting into chemistry, but regardless my statements (or most of them) do remain valid.

Rightttt.... temperature equals harshness.... Care to explain why indica is much harsher than sativa?

and sorry, i use ferment freely, but yes it is letting it absorb into the glycerin, i just say fermenting because of the 151 thing and you associate it with that particular word cause its fucking alcohol!

Well, no, I don't associate 'ferment' with THC tinctures... However, that doesn't speak for everyone... loldongs

also, your little points about the half life, i DID happen to read this thread, and sorry but i thought somebody like him would like some explanation as to why exactly its different instead of a buncha flamers going at him with more-than-simple-shit

And yet you still managed to give him the wrong answer.... AGAIN, the half-life that was originally mentioned is the biological elimination half-life. I.E. how long it takes an average male who heavily uses to either metabolize or excrete the THC so that blood plasma levels are half of where they were originally with the loading dose. Sounds pretty simple, yeah?

and yea, pretty much that is all that he probably could do, i seriously doubt he has the equipment necessary

Extracted THC
Tincture - bud, glass jar, ethyl alcohol, preferably 100+ proof, strainer/cheesecloth/coffee filter
Oil - bud, vegetable oil, saucepan, strainer/cheesecloth/coffee filter

All convienently available at Wal-Mart.

and regardless, im fairly sure that regardless if your smoking tobbaco or marijuana, the heat from a joint is more than likely going to destroy alot of the thc theres no doubting that....

Yeah, joints are for niggers, wiggers, and idiots... hmm, a little redundant... Your point, captain tard?

anyway, yea i included smoking and cooking(bake!!)

idk that about covers it

BTW, 'or cook it' =/= sufficient explanation to say you included it.

although after reading those articles on resin i still dont understand why it would matter on their acidity but oh well! maybe someone could explain wtf the resin on the plant matter is made of and that could idk possibly explain its attraction to thc, although im pretty sure i covered the thing that thc is trying to form a stable bond and it goes to those type things to do so!!!

gah!

Ok, sit down son. You see, when two molecules really love each other they get together and swap or share atoms, then about 9 months later (instantly actually), an adhesive force is formed. In this case, the adhesive forces are weak, indicating oxygen, nitrogen, or hydrogen bonding. Acids are naturally 'sticky' in nature because they have an excess of hydrogen atoms, which freely bind with more basic compounds... Resins don't vary too much in constituents and are mostly acidic compounds. I would explain more, but you wouldn't be interested in learning about terpenes and resin acids, right? That'd be 'more-than-simple-shit' and it would be horrible that you would have to research and learn something that is complicated at first.

Yeah, I dumbed it down for you specifically, Demunic.

PROTIP: Fuck you.

okay im sorry, my mistake that i confused harsher with hotter, but my point was the fact that the thc from the hash oil probably wont survive the heat of the cig/joint!

and i was stating that he wasnt going to be able to do much past what we were talking about(including tinctures at this point sorry i didnt bother reading exactly what they were) without a lab(as in, creating crystals, melting them, absorbing them into paper, like he said)

and yea you did include the how long it takes for it to be gone from someones blood/body, but im pretty sure no one would have looked at that and said "OH then half life must have nothing to do with shelf life!!!"
"yay god!"

but yes, thank you on the lesson about acidity in resin, i just assumed past anything about the acid content of a material it would probably be something natural in nature or that it would comprise of something that the thc would cling with. like some type of fat or sugar, and now resin which is kinda like that?

>.<

you're an idiot.

okay im sorry, my mistake that i confused harsher with hotter, but my point was the fact that the thc from the hash oil probably wont survive the heat of the cig/joint!

Placing the hash oil farther back in the cig/joint allows hot air/temperature to pull over it without burning before the cherry reaches it. So try that, but whatever the case you won't lose ALL of THC, unless you light joints and don't smoke them.

and i was stating that he wasnt going to be able to do much past what we were talking about(including tinctures at this point sorry i didnt bother reading exactly what they were) without a lab(as in, creating crystals, melting them, absorbing them into paper, like he said)

So you gave advice about something you 'didn't bother' reading about first? Hmm, anyone else see a problem here?

Anyway, blotters could be made easily at home without needing refinement or a professional laboratory. (Any place can be a laboratory, such as my kitchen table.)

and yea you did include the how long it takes for it to be gone from someones blood/body, but im pretty sure no one would have looked at that and said "OH then half life must have nothing to do with shelf life!!!"
"yay god!"

Biological half-life has nothing to do with decomposition rates. And the rate was listed under "Pharmacokinetic data."

Pharmacokinetics (in Greek: "pharmacon" meaning drug and "kinetikos" meaning putting in motion, the study of time dependency) is a branch of pharmacology dedicated to the determination of the fate of substances administered externally to a living organism. In practice, this discipline is applied mainly to drug substances, though in principle it concerns itself with all manner of compounds ingested or otherwise delivered externally to an organism, such as nutrients, metabolites, hormones, toxins, etc. Pharmacokinetics is often divided into several areas including, but not limited to, the extent and rate of Absorption, Distribution, Metabolism and Excretion. This sometimes is referred to as the ADME scheme.

So, yeah, reading pays off, especially when analysing scientific data and then attempting to educate others.

THC is mainly metabolized to 11-OH-THC (11-hydroxy-THC) by the human body. This metabolite is still psychoactive and is further oxidized to 11-nor-9-carboxy-THC (THC-COOH). In humans and animals more than 100 metabolites could be identified but 11-OH-THC and THC-COOH are the dominating metabolites. Metabolism mainly occurs in the liver by cytochrome P450 enzymes CYP2C9, CYP2C19, and CYP3A4. More than 55% of THC are excreted in the feces and ~20% in the urine. The main metabolite in urine is the ester of glucuronic acid and THC-COOH and free THC-COOH. In the feces mainly 11-OH-THC was detected.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16596792

http://tinyurl.com/2z6g7a - 17% THC decomp. rate per annum in herbal cannabis at room temp. (roughly half is lost after 4 years)
http://tinyurl.com/yokz5n - THC has greatest decomp. rate in tropical climates in herbal cannabis. THC has least decomp. rate as conditions are colder, more inert, and darker. The best recommendation is a tincture in a completely opaque/amber bottle in the freezer, an easily obtainable form.

but yes, thank you on the lesson about acidity in resin, i just assumed past anything about the acid content of a material it would probably be something natural in nature or that it would comprise of something that the thc would cling with. like some type of fat or sugar, and now resin which is kinda like that?

>.<

THC is thought to be mainly produced as a defense mechanism, like most psychoactives. THC just so happens to produced along with the resin, which protects the plant from sun damage and collects pollen. Here's a link that overview's the interaction of resin and THC production.
http://marijuanaoptics.fileave.com/

Also, should the cannabinoids in general be in acidic form, they'll also be 'sticky,' however, resin contains LOTS of chemicals, many of which in acidic form.
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To the OP and those interested:

How to make THC blotters:

Items Needed:
Blotter Paper - Ebay/websites - $20-30
Bud - Any amount is fine. - So cost depends on your preference.
Coffee filters - $2
Everclear - 375 ml - $7-8
Funnel - $3
Glass baking dish - $3-10, depending on size
Glass jar (2) - Snapple bottles work well because of their large mouth. - $1-2
Grinder (electric is preferable) - $20-25
Strainer - $3
Steps:
1. Manually break up bud and discard any seeds.
2. Grind weed until more or less fine (powdery preferable, about 4 or 5 goes with a coffee grinder).
3. Use funnel to place marijuana in jar and pour in just enough Everclear to cover bud and then some.
4. Shake for about 5 minutes and allow bud to soak for at least half an hour. (Obviously, allowing it to soak longer allows more cannabinoids to be extracted. You could extend it to days, weeks, etc, but that's overkill.)
5. Place filter in strainer and allow your now 'Evergreen' to pass through into your collection jar.
6. Scoop gunk in the filter back into the jar. Repeat steps 3 through 6 at least once.
7. Line pan with blotter, then pour as much of your Evergreen as you'd like and allow it to evaporate in a dark, cool place.
8. Repeat step 7 until Evergreen is gone or save some for Green Dragon drops.

Initial cost will be between $70 and $120, depending on what is on hand/what can be borrowed/what deals you find/the amount and quality of weed.

Note about blotter:
A blotter square holds up to about 2 mg. Depending on the quality of your bud, your cannabinoid concentration will vary of course, plus any other non-cannabinoid chemicals. I'd personally use the rule of thumb of .5-1ml/tab. Any excess should have no problem staying on the outside of the blotter, but the green color will obscure any tab design. For best storage, wrap in foil inside a freezer bag and keep in the freezer.

Thank you cuban. I didn't have the energy to go through all that.