I've only done ketamine a handful of times, and save for once, I've kholed every time. Personally, I always think about kholing whenever I have k, and think about kholing again as soon as I regain consciousness.

I don't know what other substance can let you view your inner workings and subconscious personality with the exuberant clarity of ketamine.

I get to sum myself up into the subconscious culmination of my experiences and their effects upon my psyche. Then I temporarily gain the ability to plan out the most effective method of action to change myself into what I want to be.

Many times, I've done something akin to kholing on DXM. Usually through meditation during the climb to the peak, lasting until I start coming down (It's unbelievably noticeable when you start to come down, very abrupt).

Unlike kholing, I don't see symbolic imagery, or what I am subconsciously. It's stream of distorted, personifiable visions created by the synergistic state of biased experience I play myself into (lying in bed and losing sense of my body while listening to music and meditating.)

Often the experience will end abruptly, (much like that last paragraph) or at least before I'm ready for it to. It always feels though I'm getting closer and closer to a profound experience that will recreate me, or to that I am moving towards a profound knowledge.

The thing that is most similar between the 2 experiences I described is a sinking feeling. As if you're being pulled out from a limitless, gaugeable gray sky of potential, having your ability to look in any direction robbed from you. Blasted by the truth and humanity of your being as only you can rationalize it.

It's like you're cooled liquid mercury being packed into a funnel with an infinitely wide bowl, that turns into a twisting, jagged tunnel, leading you so deep that you feel like you're under water, being put under pressure.

I find the khole is smoother and more inviting than the DXM hole. Somehow it's less violent, like an ocean.

Thoughts?Inputs? Your experiences with the khole, or similar experiences with DXM? How do you rationalize and explain your experiences?

I'll try and add more later, I've lost my concentration. I want to go over a few more things.

my acid trip was like peaking in a meditation session

Ive done ketamine liek 20 or less times. Kholed maybe 5. I dont really get most of your metaphors it sounds like your just comparing ketamine to beautiful things. The only thing that actually made sense was being able look at your self from the outside. Me favorite time doing k was on acid. Most vivid hallucinations I ever had. I couldn't tell hallucinations from reality either. Like I can if im just on acid.

Fuck dude, doesn't anyone else experience what I do? I'm sure they do, a lot of trip reports from erowid have very similar descriptions to what I said.

Wtf.

You're a basketball in low orbit viewing the celestial heavens when suddenly you plummet right down into a deep sea of marbles.

Stop creating reasons to get fucked up man! Sober life is alot more, or at least can be alot more beautiful. Fall in love, get the satisfaction of accomplishing something great or even masturbate for goodness sake! Im not saying don't do drugs, but at least be smart enough to know that drugs are not completely spiritually enlightening, just temporarily brain changing.

Drugs aren't god in powder form; just a temporary escape from our problems.

And buddy, it sounds like you're addicted to good ol' K. Space it out more and then come back to me and say this. Maybe try growing up before you preach godliness through some animal tranquilizer. Yeah, life is depressing and we all want to feel like an individual, but drugs are more depressing and class setting than normal life.

Fact: ketamine relieves depression. I like ketamine so much

I know exactly what you mean by "DXM Hole"

If you have a strobe light, put it on while you meditate during the climb to the peak. Holy god.

If you are experiencing the same thing as I, then I will try to give a good play-by-play of what happens.

I take 600-900 mgs of DXM. After waiting about 20 minutes for the unofficial onset that lets you know the dexing isn't to far away, I put on some big headphones, and tune into either some euphoric trance (such as Above & Beyond's Tri-State) or some pure old rock (Led Zep). I lay down on my bed with the strobe light going, on start to do some progressive energy work and meditation, preparing my body for the undertaking it will soon be experiencing.

Before I know it, the strobe light will slow down unbelievably, and I will see my room clear as day, even with my eyes shut. I find myself able to ask myself any question in the universe, and a voice will answer it. I can think about anything and everything without bias or misconception. Its simply me, my mind and my music (tri-state...?).

Once this peak has come, another one ensues. I find myself sinking down into my bed, deeper and deeper and deeper. I can see the sheets and blankets from my bed coming down with me as I watch my room growing farther and farther away. I start to go on these psychedelic journeys at this point. When I say psychedelic, I MEAN it. Out of nowhere I might be cat, hunting its pray. I may suddenly be Link from Zelda, fighting off the water temple boss. I may even be talking to dead relatives at a beach in the sky.

The thing about it, however, is that even though it is all so real, I can still feel my body! I can still swallow and feel the saliva go down my throat. I can still scratch my face if I feel an itch, while sustaining this magical state of mind.

There are two ways I can go once I feel myself sinking, I can either go on the journey, or have on OBE. The OBE is as easy at this point as just sitting up from my bed without thinking about it. If I think about it, then more often than not I end up sitting up for real. But if I just allow my mind to sit up, I find myself in the RTZ or Astral Realm, the music still playing.

Its alot more different then a normal Astral Projection too. The DXM seems to influence it in a much more "violent" way as you put it. Its not worse, just different.

So moonius, if the Khole is anything like this, or if its better as you say, then I am going to have to get my ass on the street and find some fucking ketamine, because the DHole is like heaven to me. Its like being reborn. I've done ketamine, but unfortunately never kholed.

I'm glad to know there are other enlightened beings who have discovered the magic of energy work and meditation while dexing on totse, and that I'm not alone.