Tonight on BBC2, Horizon is about the 20 most commonly [ab]used drugs.

It's some scientists who spent 2 years researching the various harms of the said 20 drugs, and it should be pretty interesting.

Ok it probably will be quite biased, but still, I'm hoping that it could be fairly informational, and a good way to get to the public that legal drugs such as alcohol and tobacco are more dangerous than ecstasy etc.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/broadband/tx/drugs/

Not bad, did you watch the vids on the link?

word.

Yup, the public one did surprise me because I thought they would all say "ecstasy" but some appeared to pause for a moment and actually think of the real harms of alcohol, both on the damages to the body, but also to society.

It should be a fairly good programme, but won't change a thing on how drugs are classified in this country.

Sounds worth a watch.

With a spliff on.

Is there anyway to watch this outside of UK? Canada.

You *might* be able to see it tomorrow on the BBC iPlayer, but I'm not sure if you can only get that in the UK.

I'm sure there'll be torrents...

I was reading the TV guide and saw this in the 'choice' section this morning, looks very interesting. Programs like this often have some influence on public opinion, so I look forward to hearing what they have to say for themselves.

Yea there was a pic of a blonde snorting a white powder off a table in the TV guide, and yeh. Nicceeeeeee.

http://i26.tinypic.com/2h5lnid.jpg

It's a good thing their not trying to glamorize coke use or anything ;)

Thanks for the notification, I'll be watching it. Iplayer is only for people in the UK. Perhaps you could find a proxy?

I actually saw a really good educational program about drugs on daytime TV once when I was off work ill. It wasn't biased and rather focused on both sides with REAL real life experiences and actual descriptions of the drugs, the chemistry and the effects.

I would really like to see this but I have no TV and I have a girl coming round tonight so I don't think she's going to want to spend an hour watching a drug education program.

I don't think she's going to want to spend an hour watching a drug education program.

Tape it and give it to her for Valentines day.

I would really like to see this but I have no TV and I have a girl coming round tonight so I don't think she's going to want to spend an hour watching a drug education program.

Well, you could probably grab the torrent. I'm sure this will be capped by someone. :)

Is there anyway to watch this outside of UK? Canada. ^^^

Most good BBC/BBC2 documentaries (particularly horizon - I got a bunch) are capped.

Tape it and give it to her for Valentines day.

I don't do valentines day, regardless of my relationship status at the time.

Through coincidence it looks like I'm watching it with both of my parents. Dangerous waters...

I love watching those sorts of programs with my parents!

Damnit I missed the start because I was asleep

It was ok. Could have been a bit more detailed, speed and crystal meth were grouped together as one drug, for example.

According to them:


1. Heroin
2. Cocaine
3. Barbiturates
4. Street methadone
5. Alcohol
6. Ketamine
7. Benzodiazepines
8. Amphetamine
9. Tobacco
10. Buprenorphine
11. Cannabis
12. Solvents
13. 4-MTA
14. LSD
15. Methylphenidate
16. Anabolic steroids
17. GHB
18. Ecstasy
19. Alkyl nitrates
20. Khat


From most harmful to least harmful.

Im going to watch it tomorrow once I have my work done. Im not too keen on the order of that list but what can you expect for these sort of TV programs? I don't normally watch this shit because of the fact that it is usually so biased, sensationalist and just generally bullshit and lacking in actual real information but I might as well give it a watch and see.

Horizon are supposed to be fairly independent and unbiased though aren't they.

Downloading now as I missed it last night

Horizon.Is.Alcohol.Worse.Than.Ecstasy.WS.PDTV.XviD-REMAX

I'm just waiting for it to stream, my college network is shit

For those that are interested

Horizon: Britain's Most Dangerous Drug (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8502535628805276452&q=britains+dangerous+drugs&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

And I also found this

Horizon: Psychedelic science (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6540905926032767614)

I cant watch it right now because my college network is so slow but it might be worth checking out.

In the late 1960s, human experiments with psychedelic drugs were brought to a halt. Government reacted to the anarchy of the hippy counter-culture. The drug-crazed Charles Manson slayings came to symbolise public fear of the street use of LSD. Funding ceased, and the few researchers who battled on were ostracised. But lost in the blanket ban were remarkable research projects in the field of psychiatry that held out new hope for the treatment of schizophrenia and alcoholism. Bill Eagles' extraordinary film tells the story of a handful of dedicated scientists who have struggled to make psychedelic research respectable again. In the USA, psychiatrists Rick Strassman and Charles Grob, and neuroscientist Deborah Mash each quietly began investigations with unknown psychedelic compounds, to avoid the alarm bells of LSD. Strassman pursued the Federal Drug Administration for permission to do safety trials of DMT. Mash works on treating cocaine addicts, achieving success with Ibogaine, a psychedelic derived from a West African plant. Their success hinges on the patient having a 'peak' experience, entering the realm of the mystical or religious. The early researchers had spotted this. Now it was dramatically reinforced by unique new evidence from Brazil. Unable to work in the USA, Grob visited Brazil to track down the ritual use of Ayahuasca, a leaf rich in the powerful DMT. For centuries it has been used amongst the shamans of the Amazon. But today, in urban Brazil, tens of thousands of men, women and children are taking the drug as part of an ecstatic Christian cult experience. The Brazilian Government asked Grob to look at long-term damaging effects of the drug. Instead, he found no evidence of toxicity or brain damage, and also that long-term users functioned better in their community. In 1992 Brazil legalised ritual use of Ayahuasca. The FDA took careful note. Then in the early 1990s, leading lights of the US computer industry began admitting that many breakthroughs in Silicon Valley in the 70s and 80s had been inspired by regular psychedelic drug use. Nobel Prize winner Kary Mullis, and founding father of Microsoft, Bob Wallace, reveal on camera the psychedelic influence on their creativity. This anecdotal evidence raised support for the psychedelic researchers. Now Strassman has received approval from the FDA for research into LSD itself

Also this popped up on the sidebar

Psychonauts documentary (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8808124350716031869)

Again, sounds interesting

Psychonaut: An explorer of the mind, who journeys into his/her psyche using hallucinogenic drugs or other consciousness altering techniques.

Psychonauts believe that these spiritual experiences, when properly processed, lead to long-term and positive benefits in their everyday lives

Maybe BLTC should have an educational/informative video/document thread?

Thanks for the link, I watched it. It wasn't exactly pro drug. Not worth the watch.

It wasn't exactly anti-drug either. What did you expect? A program telling you these drugs are safe and that you should and should do them?!

This is meant to be educational and show drugs from the point of view where the pros and cons are taken into account and a fair account is given (Or as fair as they want it to be.)

At least it wasn't some anti drug propaganda telling you that E melts your brain, LSD rots your spine and gives you flashbacks every 7 years and 4 months and weed instantly makes you an evil psychotic drug addict...

I was on the foil like most nights, and as soon as I melted the dark, chased a line and passed it to my (clucking) mate, I put on the TV and it had just reached number 1 (heroin) on this programme. I laughed and finished my bag.

It was ok. Could have been a bit more detailed, speed and crystal meth were grouped together as one drug, for example.

According to them:



From most harmful to least harmful.

Are you fucking shitting me? Cannabis more harmful than inhalants? Benzos arent harmful in my opinion, don't really think ketamine is either.

Are you fucking shitting me? Cannabis more harmful than inhalants? Benzos arent harmful in my opinion, don't really think ketamine is either.

This was done scientifically and taking three points into account... Not just physical harm but also mental and social harm.

You cant say cannabis is harmless, infact I think it fucks you up more than some of those drugs on the list because if its false sense of security that lets its more negative side affects creep up un-noticed and people don't realise that its so dangerous because "ohhhh its just weed its perfectly safe, it just came from the ground."

people don't realise that its so dangerous because "ohhhh its just weed its perfectly safe, it just came from the ground."

I hate that attitude in people.

Also Benzo's were on the list due to the potentially deadly withdrawals you can have I'm guessing, and inhalants, well, inhalants are nasty and dirty.

I think the list was pretty accurate.

It´s accurate all right, and sure benzo withdrawals are real dangerous. But weed more harmful than inhalants? Wonder how they came up with that one

But weed more harmful than inhalants?

Like I said, they take into account more than just physical harm there is also sociological and long term damage as well as demographics to consider...

How many people use inhalants compared to weed? How many people continue to use weed for a long term compared to inhalants?

I'm not saying weed is super dangerous but it is way underestimated especially by the user which luls them into a false sense of security.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b008x3hq.shtml?q=horizon&start=1&scope=iplayersearch&go=Find+Programmes&version_pid=b00920nz

If you missed it.

Just watched it. Very informative.


hahaha on an unrelated note, I decided to watch the "How to Make Better Decisions" episode of Horizon at here, (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b008zdpj.shtml?version_pid=b00920nz&q=horizon&go=Find+Programmes&scope=iplayersearch&start=1&version_pid=b008zdn7).

Watch out for the SA Goon at around 3mins in.