Today, I got fucked hard, real hard, but this post isn't about that. I got some questions about packages and school, and whether or not they can open that package.

Long story short, I had a package unopened, addressed to a fictious name to an address not my own. I'm sitting there with the dean with the package on the table.

I forget exactly what she said but it was something along the lines of "I can't open this, you need to open this.." or "Can you please open this for me...". Anyway, I almost said "fuck you, get a search warrant." Opening some else's mail is a federal offense and if I wasn't gonna open it no way in hell she could. (This flashed through my mind at the time, but I decided to open it, which probably was my big fucking mistake, and play it off as "just tea".)

I understand I basically forfeit my rights in school, and my locker and it's contents are their property, but could I have sat there and said "no, I refuse to open it", even though it was addressed to a name and address which weren't mine? Because it was in my locker does it basically make it mine, even though my name isn't on the package?

Is my thinking correct? Could I have refused to open it? Was it even technically my mail or "legal" for me to open it?

At any rate, it's quite a complicated situation, and I earned myself a little week long vacation.

Fuckers stole my yerba mate too.

Pwned. You shouldn't have opened it. Either way you wouldn't be getting your 'tea' back.

E: I would have said, "does it say my name on it" "no", "well then opening it would be a criminal offense and I could never purposely break the law".

Why in the fuck would you want to bring Kava to school?

Exactly. You should have done this then said that you've never seen that package before in your life. The principal played chicken with you and won. Unless they have clear-cut evidence against you never say shit to authority figures. And when you absolutely must say something wait for a lawyer to be present. They aren't working in your best interest even if they act like they do, and they can/will lie to you and it's all perfectly legal.

You deserve what you get jackass.

yea wtf

Whats the long story? What happend?

Is kava illegal where you are?

I dont see what the whole cloak and dagger routine is for.

So, you brought a legal substance to school, got caught and now you have a week long suspension? What the fuck kind of fucked up nazi country do you live in? Did they think it was weed? Did they have it tested? Why the fuck are their grounds for suspending you? Opening someone's mail which your principal told you to do?

.-FSB-.

No. But apparently under my school's alcohol & drug policy it's considered a drug. Go figure. It was 3oz Kava & 1oz Kratom to be exact.

*The substances that were found in his locker would fall under the category of intoxicants that were designed to produce an effect substantially similar to that of a controlled substance.*

So by this logic shouldn't we ban caffeine in school? I mean christ, if Kava is substantially similar to Benzos than caffeine might as well be adderall.

I fucked up. I know. Spare me the flaming. I had "drugs" in my locker at school. I've already heard it a million times.

What lead to the discovery of the package and my suspension is a completely unrelated event though. This morning, I was pulled out of second period to be questioned by the deans. They said that somebody early this morning before school had saw me on y road smoking marijuana in my car with another person and called the cops. 3 (yes that's right 3) squad cars pulled into the parking lot at school. Supposedly the person recognized me and gave my name to the cops and they ran my tags which were clean.

When the deans questioned me I told the truth, which was: I don't even go to school y road, I go via x road, I wasn't smoking pot, and nobody else was in the car, just me. They kept saying are you sure you're not "mistaken" and I had to tell them a million times yeah I'm not "mistaken", maybe that person who accused me is mistaken. (I smoked a cig on the way to school, but I left that out, 'cuz my adrenaline was running a little high and I had no idea where this was going). One of the deans tells me "the cops have already searched your car" (which I knew was bullshit), and I just sort of shrugged.

They had me empty my pockets, which had nothing in them. They searched my locker and found the package from an ethno vender.

I had ordered this package a week ago to a friends house. He lives far away and I said bring it on Monday. It's legal, in a package, I thought there was little risk involved. I thought about collecting it at the end of the day, but thought, why not get it first thing. I go up to my friend, he hands it over, it goes in my locker. Now I realize there couldn't have been worse timing.

They look over the contents, Kratom, Kava, Yerba Mate, P. Somniferum seeds, and they don't seem to know what the fuck this is. After she gets out her grade school dictionary to try and find out what Kava is she reads a quote from some site saying "Kava is highly illegal in Thailand and is used as a substitute for heroin.." I just sat there and thought well that's interesting but we're not in fucking Thailand.

My harmless tea argument didn't work and I get hit with a 5 day vacation.

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Bottom line: Everyone's just out there to fuck you over. They kept saying "the truth will set you free." Well...if I had lied and denied the package was even mine, I might not have a suspension. So much for the "truth".

And who in there right mind calls the police because they "supposedly" saw kids smoking weed. And why did 3 cop cars pull up. What a good use of time. Cops don't even come to a car accident unless the cars are undriveable, but they respond to shit like this....

Wow dude that sucks. Considering it was all leagal too.

No, it WAS NOT legal. As soon as you said the word tea you admitted to breaking the law. It is NOT FUCKING TEA. IT IS INCENSE. NOT FOR HUMAN FUCKING CONSUMPTION.

You deserve what you got. Thanks for fucking up the ethno market even more asshole.

Please tell me that was sarcasm. It's a fucked up "nazi country" because he got suspended for five days because he brought drugs to school? Most school districts say you can't bring any drugs (legal or illegal) onto the property. That's completely understandable that they don't want drugs in government funded education facilities; it's not some draconian policy. A week of suspension is a modest punishment, on the grand scheme of things. You are just a complete fucking idiot.

You deserve what you got. Thanks for fucking up the ethno market even more asshole.

I'm sure this one incident didn't fuck up the ethno market. It's hard to think when you have 3 people breathing down your back in a tiny office. If I had time to think, I might have gotten off with the incense. Than again, maybe not.

The administrators are dumb as fuck here. It took them a while to figure out what it was. I figured I'd lump everything together as tea and try and get off with a simple misunderstanding that occurred. Even if I did claim it was incense, they probably would have still deemed it "drugs". They didn't seem to give a shit what I was intending to use the contents for. The attitude was more like "ok, what kind of drug is this". If some info came up stating this is consumed by the native people of fiji as a relaxing drink, I still would've gotten nailed, even if claimed it was for incense.

I was getting drilled over the P. Somniferum seeds. It didn't count for shit that the seeds themselves were perfectly legally to posses in the U.S. When I said I was growing them in a garden I was planning to do this spring, and my intended major is Bio, and I was just curious in this particular species they just laughed and said "...well...thatcoolkid...it says opium here.." Never mind I had completely legit reasons for having them the connotation w/ opium ultimately burned me.

If they think it's a drug. It's a drug, regardless of the facts.

seconded.

how the fuck did they get the package?
and how did they know it was yours?

you have no rights at school, especially if it's a private one.

IIRC, actually public schools warrant less rights as the are not private.

I hope kava gets banned for this.

So I can hate you people even more.

One thing I haven't seen mention yet is the fact that even though you had an address on the package, until you drop it in a mailbox or the PO, it is not considered mail. They could have made you open it or open it themselves. Or they could have just called your parents and asked for permission to open it, if they really wanted to be on the safe side.

It was sent mail. He had it sent to someones house, and it was postmarked, so that's all moot man.

They probaly made up the story of you driving down the road smoking weed. It was probaly a story to get you to confess to having weed in the package because a teacher or student saw your friend give you the package and they didn't know your friend .They assumed it was some kind of drugs.

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Why don't you jut tell them it is yerb mate and kava. They cant do shit to you. Get it independently tested at a lab. If they suspend you get a lawyer and sue. I mean that is ridiculus. Why would you need a fake name and address for kava and yerba mate? They dont really get you high? I would say something like "I make the yerba mate to keep me awake and attentive in class and I add kava to the tea to calm me down and keep me from being anxious and jittery in class. kava and yerba doesnt look like weed they dont smell like weed. Yerba mate is about as bad as coffee and probably better for you since it has its anti-oxidant properties.

If you want to drink perfectly legal herbal teas even at school you have every right to, it is the same as having a caffienated beverage in class. Dried kava doesnt really do much anyway, you need fresh kava root to get any sort of good effects. They sell yerba in pre packaged tea bags for goodness sake. Why would a school tell you you cant ingest one mind altering substance then allow you to purchase there caffinenated sugar water drinks no questions asked. caffiene is very similar to whats in yerba.

Now the kratom, that would be considered a drug, i did not see that part. I woud say the kratom /kava is a botanical sample and you had no intent to consume it and it was sent as a free sample with your yerbamate.
Edit: opium poppy seeds(which are legal and used for culinarypurposes) are not going to help your case very much either.

Actually Kava is technically a tea, and legal in the US to consume for its psychoactive effects. I see no difference between Kava and coffee (with regards to legality), unless whatever state the OP is in has thought to schedule it differently. I've not heard of any age restrictions on owning it either, so I think he has grounds for argument, as far as the Kava is concerned anyway.

5 day suspension, big fucking deal.

Actually Kava is technically a tea, and legal in the US to consume for its psychoactive effects. I see no difference between Kava and coffee (with regards to legality), unless whatever state the OP is in has thought to schedule it differently. I've not heard of any age restrictions on owning it either, so I think he has grounds for argument, as far as the Kava is concerned anyway.

Kava and yerb mate are both legal. I have to agree with you. But i have heard a few years back that they started taking kava pills and other products off of shelves because of the whole liver or kidney failure thing. Where people with liver disease or kidney disease(it was one of them) were at a huge risk of failure because of kava.

Kratom though is different. Stupid noob was right about that, if you admi you intend to consume that then you are kind of admitting guilt. but if you say it was a free botanical sample that they sent with it and specifically say you did not intend to consume then they really can't do anything. there is no drug test for kratom.


We can all say bye to kratom now because the little fucking reatrd OP couldn't pick up his package after school but instead had to bring it to school and then get caught with it, then on top of ALL THAT, he admits he was going to make "tea" with it and consume it. Even though the packages of kratom come clearly marked with a "not for human consumption" sticker on them. I can see it on the news already, "middle school kids getting high on illegal opium substitute from thailand." so say bye ye to kratom BLTC because now that it is known that kidiots are consuming kratom it is going to be made illegal because its effects are so similar to opiates, it will fall under the analogue act or something.(not sure if natural organic botanicles can fall under analogue act).
Way to ruin it for everyone.

You fucked up they didn't have a warrant to search your federally-protected property.

You're another reason we're all going to lose things like kava and kratom. Thanks dumbass.

i will just repost this so we are sure you know how much of a dumbshit you realy are OP:
We can all say bye to kratom now because the little fucking reatrd OP couldn't pick up his package after school but instead had to bring it to school and then get caught with it, then on top of ALL THAT, he admits he was going to make "tea" with it and consume it. Even though the packages of kratom come clearly marked with a "not for human consumption" sticker on them. I can see it on the news already, "middle school kids getting high on illegal opium substitute from thailand." so say bye ye to kratom BLTC because now that it is known that kidiots are consuming kratom it is going to be made illegal because its effects are so similar to opiates, it will fall under the analogue act or something.(not sure if natural organic botanicles can fall under analogue act).
Way to ruin it for everyone. Thanks OP

We can all say bye to kratom now because the little fucking reatrd OP couldn't pick up his package after school so say bye ye to kratom BLTC because now that it is known that kidiots are consuming kratom it is going to be made illegal because its effects are so similar to opiates, it will fall under the analogue act or something.(not sure if natural organic botanicles can fall under analogue act).
Way to ruin it for everyone. Thanks OP

I'm glad you know my school's policy.

No 3rd party was contacted. The cops didn't show up. Nothing. They decided I broke the school's drug policy.

Let's make it clear. What I intended or didn't intend to do with the substances doesn't mean shit. Maybe it does when Mr. LEO questions you at your door about your package, but this is different. This is school. Their policies. Their rules. They do whatever the fuck they want.

I could've said I was using it as incense, but it wouldn't have made a difference. It was "connotated" with drugs and pyschoactive effects and therefore I was fucked. Period.

Once again, this wasn't reported to nobody. Christ. You people fail to understand there's a difference between school and the law! Ya maybe I did admit to using it illegally, but guess what, they didn't contact shit! So relax. Unwind your panties.

The point is, if you had danced RIGHT and said the right shit, and not fucked up, you could fight it, and possibly even have a law suit, but you threw that out the window.

And ignore chronic, he's retarded.

things weren't that bad when i was in high school. dumbasses like you apparently fuck everything up. you make it worse and worse for those coming in the future. and you'll continue fucking things up for more intelligent people for the rest of your pathetic, miserable life.

If you said that you were using the seeds to grow poppies then you technically could be charged with intent to manufacture/grow Scheduled substances. making bagels would be better. Come to think about it, if you had just said that was your lunch, you probably would have had a better chance.
You can't legally plant opium poppies, but the cops don't really care enough to bust people. Plus, if they find out the kava and kratom have "abuse potential", they're going to deduce that the opium poppies were for "abuse" too.

Everyone get off the kids nuts, Jesus Christ. To be completely honest, if he has this perfectly manufactured story that takes into account every single technicality in an attempt to avoid guilt then it's going to not only make them more suspicious, but probably piss them off to the point where an outside authority may be contacted.

He fucked up bringing it to school, and he was caught, plain and simple he was caught up and it was too late to tightwalk out of it. I'd have just told them straight up what it was, whatever your intentions were for having it is none of their fucking business. Take your suspension, learn a lesson, and don't ever, for any reason, keep shit you intend to keep private in your school locker.

If You can't legally plant opium poppies, but the cops don't really care enough to bust people. Plus, if they find out the kava and kratom have "abuse potential", they're going to deduce that the opium poppies were for "abuse" too.


You sure the fuck can grow them legally. But the law is very strange on this one. See, as long as you 'don't know' that they are opium poppies you can grow them. So it's up to the cops to prove you know. So don't do something stupid like having plants with razor cut marks on them or shit like that.

You sure the fuck can grow them legally. But the law is very strange on this one. See, as long as you 'don't know' that they are opium poppies you can grow them. So it's up to the cops to prove you know. So don't do something stupid like having plants with razor cut marks on them or shit like that.


No dude, there have been many old ladies charged with it. Granted, the cop can be lenient, but you should know as well as anyone that ignorance of the law is no excuse, growing opium poppies is illegal, regardless of the reason for growing, and regardless of your knowledge of the law.

that sucks man. you couldn't do that much about it. bad situation and bad timing. hope things get better.

No dude, there have been many old ladies charged with it. Granted, the cop can be lenient, but you should know as well as anyone that ignorance of the law is no excuse, growing opium poppies is illegal, regardless of the reason for growing, and regardless of your knowledge of the law.

I thought you could grow them, but not harvest them/grow them for harvest.

Could be wrong though.

thats some pwnage there!

*approves*

No dude, there have been many old ladies charged with it. Granted, the cop can be lenient, but you should know as well as anyone that ignorance of the law is no excuse, growing opium poppies is illegal, regardless of the reason for growing, and regardless of your knowledge of the law.

There was a great article written about this subject awhile ago, where the journalist investigated the local laws throughly and actually grew some opium poppies in his backyard, but then cut them down before they fully matured because he chickened out. I wish I could remember the name of that article...

Edit: found it (http://www.michaelpollan.com/article.php?id=24)

You should have just taken the package and left school.

Edit: And you can grow Papaver Somniferum so long as you have no intent on harvesting it for "abusive" use.

I got to like the 3rd page, and all of you are saying its not a drug....WhyTF are you all bitching then if they take it off the shelves?

once again another person learns that you waive any and all rights as soon as you enroll in kindergarten and up until the day you graduate high school.

hell in my town if your caught for underage alchohol possession at a party saturday night you can be sure youll be suspended come monday morning as soon as you walk into school.

I'm glad you know my school's policy.

No 3rd party was contacted. The cops didn't show up. Nothing. They decided I broke the school's drug policy.

Let's make it clear. What I intended or didn't intend to do with the substances doesn't mean shit. Maybe it does when Mr. LEO questions you at your door about your package, but this is different. This is school. Their policies. Their rules. They do whatever the fuck they want.

I could've said I was using it as incense, but it wouldn't have made a difference. It was "connotated" with drugs and pyschoactive effects and therefore I was fucked. Period.

Once again, this wasn't reported to nobody. Christ. You people fail to understand there's a difference between school and the law! Ya maybe I did admit to using it illegally, but guess what, they didn't contact shit! So relax. Unwind your panties.It is going to be linked on google. Law enforcment have picked up other things from totse(pickwick). Im sure they could notice this.

It is going to be linked on google. Law enforcment have picked up other things from totse(pickwick). Im sure they could notice this.

Linked on google? lol wut?
LE picked up on totse? Ok, fair enough, the internet is public. How would they notice this? Would a fairy come along and tell them? Is my school public or private? Religious or secular? Votech or college-prep? Are you familiar with the different protocol between the institutions? Is Kava illegal? Than why was it said to me that it specifically violated the drug policy?

Chew that over before you start pulling statements out of your ass.

I'm assuming to give the deans lulz, I have to write an essay on how street marijuana can contain other 'ingredients' (I almost gagged when I read that) other than straight pot. To 'teach' me 'plant substances' can contain other shit than what they claim.

Comparing the practices of a legit business with those of an illegal market? Huh? But like I said, I wouldn't expect much more from people who shuffle papers all day...

Linked on google? lol wut?
LE picked up on totse? Ok, fair enough, the internet is public. How would they notice this? Would a fairy come along and tell them? Is my school public or private? Religious or secular? Votech or college-prep? Are you familiar with the different protocol between the institutions? Is Kava illegal? Than why was it said to me that it specifically violated the drug policy?

Chew that over before you start pulling statements out of your ass.

I'm assuming to give the deans lulz, I have to write an essay on how street marijuana can contain other 'ingredients' (I almost gagged when I read that) other than straight pot. To 'teach' me 'plant substances' can contain other shit than what they claim.

Comparing the practices of a legit business with those of an illegal market? Huh? But like I said, I wouldn't expect much more from people who shuffle papers all day...
LEO's picked up onn the whole "pickwick/jenkem" thing that happend. They also got ahold of his pictures that he posted of himself doing it. Someone found it on totse and it spread really fast.

Lol how gay is that.

Yesterday I was smoking a joint behind the church while there was a service going on and my teacher drove by with her little kids in the car. She gave me the dirtyest look ever. It was hilarious. Cant wait to see her on monday.