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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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#1
 2008-02-05, 00:26
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Sergeant_Tibbs 
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Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSCOL45569020080204?feedType=RSS&feedName=healthNews&rpc=22&sp=true
This is the biggest piece of propaganda I've ever seen. Why would they even publish this?
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#2
 2008-02-05, 00:37
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
I thought the article held some weight.
"quitting marijuana caused symptoms such as irritability, anxiety, sleep problems and difficulty concentrating, researchers found."
All that happens to me whenever I stop a daily routine of toking. The article forgot to mention that if those symptoms actually stopped someone from quitting they have absolutely no will power. Anyone that isn't a pussy could easily handle those symptoms.
Nicotine withdrawal can actually put some people in the hospital and is WAY worse than marijuana 'withdrawal'.
The article is stupid because those symptoms are very easy to cope with. A nicotine addict will be in constant torture without a smoke, while a pot head will feel a little bit shitty for a few days.
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#3
 2008-02-05, 21:33
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
^^TRUE^^
BTW, after extensive studying of the withdrawal effects of weed, from Personal Experience, I have concluded that weed has no (physical) withdrawal symptoms. The problem of "wanting to smoke" fades off after about a week, IMO.
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#4
 2008-02-05, 21:42
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
Only problem i get when i haven't choofed in a while, is i'm just sitting at the computer, then i think how bored i am, then i think how un-bored i would be with some green.
Thus, the only craving i get is to be un-bored, so i go next door and buy some weed.
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#5
 2008-02-05, 21:46
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wonT0nsOOp 
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
^^I believe your other problem is that ur weed dealer lives NEXT DOOR.
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#6
 2008-02-05, 22:04
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
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Originally Posted by wonT0nsOOp
^^I believe your other problem is that ur weed dealer lives NEXT DOOR.
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No problem at all, infact by him living next door, makes less problems for me, i don't have to run around some ghetto to try score some fuckin weed, or drive to a place to meet some guy who gives shit deals.
All i have to do is knock on the door, walk in, get a deal and smoke up at his house for awhile.
Im not some fuckin pussy who needs his weed to relax and be able to function properly, its been 3 weeks since i have smoked weed and im fine, besides my sleeping problems which i have fixed anyway (no, not by drinking alcohol every night).
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#7
 2008-02-05, 23:24
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
lol , i definitely get withdrawals from heavy smoking. being a daily smoker of potent buds will do that, dont care what anyone says.
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#8
 2008-02-05, 23:43
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Chemical Eudaemonia 
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
Why would they even publish this?
Because it's what people want to hear.
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#9
 2008-02-06, 00:22
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
Only problem i get when i haven't choofed in a while, is i'm just sitting at the computer, then i think how bored i am, then i think how un-bored i would be with some green.
Thus, the only craving i get is to be un-bored, .This is how I get.
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#10
 2008-02-06, 02:49
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
"quitting marijuana caused symptoms such as irritability, anxiety, sleep problems and difficulty concentrating, researchers found."
Yeah, I get irritable, anxious, and I can't sleep for shit when I stop smoking. I also have a hard time eating too, it sucks.
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#11
 2008-02-06, 02:56
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oxydose 
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
I agree, sounds valid IMO...
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#12
 2008-02-06, 03:50
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
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Originally Posted by doornob_lightbulb
I thought the article held some weight.
"quitting marijuana caused symptoms such as irritability, anxiety, sleep problems and difficulty concentrating, researchers found."
All that happens to me whenever I stop a daily routine of toking. The article forgot to mention that if those symptoms actually stopped someone from quitting they have absolutely no will power. Anyone that isn't a pussy could easily handle those symptoms.
Nicotine withdrawal can actually put some people in the hospital and is WAY worse than marijuana 'withdrawal'.
The article is stupid because those symptoms are very easy to cope with. A nicotine addict will be in constant torture without a smoke, while a pot head will feel a little bit shitty for a few days.
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people go to the hospital for nicotine withdrawal? jesus christ. that has to be the weakest thing i've ever heard
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#13
 2008-02-06, 03:53
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doornob_lightbulb 
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
people go to the hospital for nicotine withdrawal? jesus christ. that has to be the weakest thing i've ever heard
Its not really their fault... well it is for getting addicted in the first place. But when someone smokes a pack a day for 30 years, and then goes cold turkey their brain can't function without the nicotine. The change is just so drastic that the body is in shock/confusion. That won't happen with weed.
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#14
 2008-02-06, 04:00
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
Its not really their fault... well it is for getting addicted in the first place. But when someone smokes a pack a day for 30 years, and then goes cold turkey their brain can't function without the nicotine. The change is just so drastic that the body is in shock/confusion. That won't happen with weed.
i guess thats possible. its just hard to believe. all i got from quitting smoking was the shits and a headache for like a week. i only smoked for 10 or 11 years though(also roughly a pack a day), so i guess like 30 years could be 3 times worse theoretically
i dont know. if i had smoked a pack a day for 30 years though i don't think i'd be trying to quit. probably be more resigned to my cancerous death.
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#15
 2008-02-06, 04:08
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
fuck, "BigBucks ammonia washed tobacco + chemicals" is a fukcing hot aids infested bitch, and you are the drunk nerdy asian guy getting laid.
marijuana is just like: meh... 
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#16
 2008-02-06, 04:12
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
From: http://bpru.med.jhu.edu/bio/vandrey.html
His email is rvandrey@jhmi.edu
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#17
 2008-02-06, 04:19
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doornob_lightbulb 
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
i guess thats possible. its just hard to believe. all i got from quitting smoking was the shits and a headache for like a week. i only smoked for 10 or 11 years though(also roughly a pack a day), so i guess like 30 years could be 3 times worse theoretically
i dont know. if i had smoked a pack a day for 30 years though i don't think i'd be trying to quit. probably be more resigned to my cancerous death.
Its not just the quitting that puts some people in the hospital. I am assuming you are in decent health, well if someone that already has medical problems goes cold turkey they may be in for more than just the shits.
Quitting nicotine = stress on the body. Stress = bad.
Stress + health problems = magnification of health problems = hospital.
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#18
 2008-02-06, 04:47
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r007 ph07oN 
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
Nicotine withdrawal can actually put some people in the hospital and is WAY worse than marijuana 'withdrawal'.
i call bullshit on nicotine withdrawal necessitating hospitalization. find one proof positive example of this.
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#19
 2008-02-06, 05:06
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doornob_lightbulb 
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
i call bullshit on nicotine withdrawal necessitating hospitalization. find one proof positive example of this.
My friends mom? I don't have any scientific proof, but trust me, if someone is already sick, and they quit, the stress makes them way worse. I'm sure theres documented cases, I just don't care enough to find them.
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#20
 2008-02-06, 05:09
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r007 ph07oN 
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
example - me right now. two pack a day habit. i came down with a horrible case of the flu. i have smoked none. i'm not in the hospital.
no offense, but i don't wast 'my friend's mom...' stories. i want documented medical cases.
and in case you haven't noticed, a am pissy ,so don't take offense. i respect you more than the fuckwads i've been bitching at the past few minutes.
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#21
 2008-02-06, 05:17
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
^I understand your skepticism, but how long have you been a daily smoker? Hospitalizations from nicotine withdrawal would be a lot more common in older people, with weak bodies that can't handle the stress.
For an example, if an elderly man has high blood pressure and goes cold turkey after 40 years of daily smoking, that is going to be a huge shock to his system. Most old people aren't in great shape, and with an additional blood condition it could push him over the edge.
He probably wouldn't be in critical condition or anything, but he could easily pass out, which would require medical attention.
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#22
 2008-02-06, 08:42
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
After personal experience I say you might want to get high, but you NEED a fucking cigarette.
Completely different league.
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#23
 2008-02-06, 09:09
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
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Originally Posted by The Death Monkey
"quitting marijuana caused symptoms such as irritability, anxiety, sleep problems and difficulty concentrating, researchers found."
Yeah, I get irritable, anxious, and I can't sleep for shit when I stop smoking. I also have a hard time eating too, it sucks.
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Same here.
But after 3 days my appetite comes back with a vengence and I sleep like a baby.
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#24
 2008-02-06, 11:57
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
they are the same.
you smoke em.
they fuck you up.
it sucks not being fucked up.
the end.
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#25
 2008-02-06, 13:22
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
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Originally Posted by whitelightning
they are the same.
you smoke em.
they fuck you up.
it sucks not being fucked up.
the end.
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wtf you stupid mother fucker, you really are one of those stupid dickheads who post on bltc thinking what you are saying is cool/ makes sense.
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#26
 2008-02-06, 14:01
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whitelightning 
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
well once i smoked about a four drags from a cig and i was nauseous for a half hour and i actually threw up once.
but once i graduated to smoking 20 joints(cigarettes) of tobacco a day it didnt fuck me up any more....it just relieved my craving...thats it.
imagine smoking 20 joints of weed a day....do you think weed would blow you away like it first did? no. Infact it would just relieve whatever symptoms you have from lacking THC. you know why? its a thing called fucking tolerance....dependence(maybe for only 1% of weed smokers)
maybe you dont know math and basic measurements
LET ME BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU...
Cigarette =.9 grams on scale
Joint = 1 gram
what I'm saying is tolerance rises accordingly...
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#27
 2008-02-06, 17:26
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
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Originally Posted by whitelightning
well once i smoked about a four drags from a cig and i was nauseous for a half hour and i actually threw up once.
but once i graduated to smoking 20 joints(cigarettes) of tobacco a day it didnt fuck me up any more....it just relieved my craving...thats it.
imagine smoking 20 joints of weed a day....do you think weed would blow you away like it first did? no. Infact it would just relieve whatever symptoms you have from lacking THC. you know why? its a thing called fucking tolerance....dependence(maybe for only 1% of weed smokers)
maybe you dont know math and basic measurements
LET ME BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU...
Cigarette =.9 grams on scale
Joint = 1 gram
what I'm saying is tolerance rises accordingly...
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fail.
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#28
 2008-02-06, 19:07
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
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Originally Posted by whitelightning
well once i smoked about a four drags from a cig and i was nauseous for a half hour and i actually threw up once.
but once i graduated to smoking 20 joints(cigarettes) of tobacco a day it didnt fuck me up any more....it just relieved my craving...thats it.
imagine smoking 20 joints of weed a day....do you think weed would blow you away like it first did? no. Infact it would just relieve whatever symptoms you have from lacking THC. you know why? its a thing called fucking tolerance....dependence(maybe for only 1% of weed smokers)
maybe you dont know math and basic measurements
LET ME BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU...
Cigarette =.9 grams on scale
Joint = 1 gram
what I'm saying is tolerance rises accordingly...
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wtf!?
would u like a fucking blue peter badge?
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#29
 2008-02-06, 19:16
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
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Originally Posted by whitelightning
well once i smoked about a four drags from a cig and i was nauseous for a half hour and i actually threw up once.
but once i graduated to smoking 20 joints(cigarettes) of tobacco a day it didnt fuck me up any more....it just relieved my craving...thats it.
imagine smoking 20 joints of weed a day....do you think weed would blow you away like it first did? no. Infact it would just relieve whatever symptoms you have from lacking THC. you know why? its a thing called fucking tolerance....dependence(maybe for only 1% of weed smokers)
maybe you dont know math and basic measurements
LET ME BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU...
Cigarette =.9 grams on scale
Joint = 1 gram
what I'm saying is tolerance rises accordingly...
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are you that retarded?
your argument doesn't even make any sense.
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#30
 2008-02-06, 19:20
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
if you want mroe drug related laughs, here's a recent article by the BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7227651.stm
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#31
 2008-02-06, 19:50
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
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Originally Posted by r3vVy
if you want mroe drug related laughs, here's a recent article by the BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7227651.stm
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Those cops are a bunch of ignorant fucking faggots.
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#32
 2008-02-06, 21:52
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whitelightning 
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
are you that retarded?
your argument doesn't even make any sense.
No I'm not retarded, and I'm glad you asked because I was just getting to my point.
some people in this thread agree that both have withdraw symptoms...some say cigs are harder to quit, some say they are easier....
what I'm saying is that its pretty much equally as hard to quit weed and cigs...for myself that is...but then again im not smoking a pack of cigarettes worth of weed a day.
the reason why most people can quit weed with no problem is because they dont smoke for 15 fucking years straight.
USE YOUR FUCKING BRAIN.
someone please show me where I'm wrong instead of just telling me i failed, i deserve blue peter badges, and that im retarded....those are just cop out replies.
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#33
 2008-02-06, 21:55
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whitelightning 
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
Those cops are a bunch of ignorant fucking faggots.
yeah like a cop can even figure out the fucking strain or potency of weed....i mean most of the time the guy selling the weed doesn't even know what he has.
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#34
 2008-02-06, 22:03
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
LOL maybe the people you know don't smoke pot for 15 years, but the majority of smokers worldwide have been smoking for DECADES. Not everyone is 16.
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#35
 2008-02-06, 22:10
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whitelightning 
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
no I'm 19 nice try...
and I know alot of stoners above the age of what... how old are you 12?
two examples my friends dad (~50) has been smoking since he was 15......he. can. not. quit.
my neighbor is also my dads age which is around 50 and he has been smoking for 20 years....
thats just friends...i work with a bunch of losers in a factory and the average age per stoner is 25
i really have too much time.lol
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#36
 2008-02-06, 22:30
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
I've been smoking for 15 years myself, and could quit if needed. My mom and dad have both been smoking for over thirty years, and both of them have quit just fine when need be, your dad is just a weak willed little pussy.
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#37
 2008-02-06, 23:23
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r007 ph07oN 
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
white lightning - STFU AND GTFO my internet!!!!!!!
you and too many other people here are pissing me off too bad last night and today. combined with the lack of cigarettes due to being sick, i'm ready for a rampage. now shut the fuck up you stupid shit eating twelve year old mother fucking piece of redneck nigger garbage. fuck you.
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#38
 2008-02-06, 23:28
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
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ur rant sucked
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#39
 2008-02-06, 23:38
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
ur rant sucked
Yes, it was quite unoriginal.
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#40
 2008-02-06, 23:41
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
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Wow, that DID suck.
Anyways, I don't smoke very much. Hardly ever, and even then only if its free and a close(ish) friend offers. The stuff doesn't really trip my trigger.
I've seen people say that they 'crave' real bad for it, but within a few days the only reason they want it is for the feeling. Not that they need it.
I will always say that pot is a recreational drug. People who say they need it to survive are a bunch of ignorant wusses who also say that they need alcohol to go to sleep at night.
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#41
 2008-02-06, 23:59
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
Guys, whitelightning is either a troll or retarded, just ignore him.
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#42
 2008-02-07, 00:07
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned this yet, but the study size was 12 adults. Even with my rudimentary knowledge of statistics, I know that a sample size of 12 can't possibly be applied to the population as a whole with any accuracy.
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#43
 2008-02-07, 00:15
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
wow
a twelve person study
SCIENCE
edit- oops beaten to the punch
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#44
 2008-02-07, 00:17
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Re: Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine
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Originally Posted by Galgamech
After personal experience I say you might want to get high, but you NEED a fucking cigarette.
Completely different league.
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Yeah.. what are you gonna do if you're not high? Be like "Aw man." Then, yeah, you might have the problems (i sure do) sleeping and shit, but it's not really.. directly marijuana? if it makes sense.
A cig.. when you crave one.. is about the most amazing thing in the world, all the buzzing inside your head is Silenced....
and you feel real good.
Yeah there are "withdrawals" to marijuana (which I am about to experience tomorrow) but I have picked up cig butts at the mall when I have had no money, so it's a different story there..
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