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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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#1
 2008-02-03, 21:35
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CBUM 
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Datura
My friend came over to my house the other day telling me about the horrors of datura. Apparently he was tripping out in the hospital while his friend was being treated for an overdose and told me all this crazy shit which I find hard to believe. My friend does exaggerate EVERYTHING so keep that in mind.
He told me he was hallucinating that he was smoking cigarettes and that he had a pack in his pocket and the sitter told him afterwards that he was just miming smoking cigarettes and he claims he honestly felt himself inhaling smoke. He also told me that he remembers standing up and leaving a room, then blinking and finding himself back in the same room, having not moved at all. Is this all bullshit or can you really have this happen on Datura?
He said I should try it once just to experience it, but apparently it is extremely dangerous and this crazy shit can happen.
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#2
 2008-02-03, 22:06
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CatchThe22 
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Re: Datura
dont try it, is my advice, i lived with someone who harvested 10,000+ seed this summer, and alot of people i know had really bad trips.
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#3
 2008-02-03, 23:08
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Re: Datura
Yeah, that can all easily happen. The cig. thing especially. I wouldn't recommend it.
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#4
 2008-02-03, 23:13
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Re: Datura
There's no exaggeration to a datura trip. I've never personally done it, but I've read a bunch of reports on it.
Check out the experiences on erowid, and decide for yourself if it's bullshit..
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#5
 2008-02-04, 02:32
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300ZXZ31 
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Re: Datura
To be honest, that sounds like one fucking TAME Datura trip...
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#6
 2008-02-04, 03:04
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Re: Datura
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Originally Posted by 300ZXZ31
To be honest, that sounds like one fucking TAME Datura trip...
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yeah. I was actually on Datura yesterday for the first time in my life, and i went to the park, went to one of those standing bbq things that are driven into the ground at picnic grounds, and i made a bonfire in it. Cops tried to shut me down, i tried to pick a fight, my sitters calmed me down, pulled me away, let the cops kill the fire, then i ran back and relit it, and when a bunch of kids started making fun of me for making a bonfire in a bbq apparatus i screamed "NIGGER, I'D BURN YOU BUT YOU ALREADY LOOK PRETTY BROWNED"(normally i am not this racist, i was just angry and nothing else came to mind, aka, i'm blaming the datura). They [my sitters] then carried me to my friend's apartment where i proceeded to smoke a large amount of weed, and i kept raising the wrong hand to smoke the joint (as in, the joint was in my right hand and i was pulling from my left hand).
Then i started talking some nonsense about a homocidal cockaroach or some random shit like that. Oh, earlier that day in the park and i also went running through the mud, fell down a hill, knocked a biker off of his bike on the park's bike path and then tried to also pick a fight with him, he came at me until he saw my sitters running up and he thought that they were my backup and he took off when tehy were actually trying to drag me away. They ended up going to home depot, buying 100 feet of rope, cutting it into many segments and tying me to a chair, which i broke to get up and tried to kill my friend's parrot because it kept making sounds. I can't wait to do it again.
My eyes still can't focus properly and i have to practically hold a book 2 inches from my eyes to read it easily. Hope this helped.
edit: They eventually gave me a large dose of gabapentin to calm me down, but i don't remember that.
[a quarter of this is what i remember, and the rest is what they told me]
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#7
 2008-02-04, 06:03
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Re: Datura
yeah. I was actually on Datura yesterday for the first time in my life, and i went to the park, went to one of those standing bbq things that are driven into the ground at picnic grounds, and i made a bonfire in it. Cops tried to shut me down, i tried to pick a fight, my sitters calmed me down, pulled me away, let the cops kill the fire, then i ran back and relit it, and when a bunch of kids started making fun of me for making a bonfire in a bbq apparatus i screamed "NIGGER, I'D BURN YOU BUT YOU ALREADY LOOK PRETTY BROWNED"(normally i am not this racist, i was just angry and nothing else came to mind, aka, i'm blaming the datura). They [my sitters] then carried me to my friend's apartment where i proceeded to smoke a large amount of weed, and i kept raising the wrong hand to smoke the joint (as in, the joint was in my right hand and i was pulling from my left hand).
Then i started talking some nonsense about a homocidal cockaroach or some random shit like that. Oh, earlier that day in the park and i also went running through the mud, fell down a hill, knocked a biker off of his bike on the park's bike path and then tried to also pick a fight with him, he came at me until he saw my sitters running up and he thought that they were my backup and he took off when tehy were actually trying to drag me away. They ended up going to home depot, buying 100 feet of rope, cutting it into many segments and tying me to a chair, which i broke to get up and tried to kill my friend's parrot because it kept making sounds. I can't wait to do it again.
My eyes still can't focus properly and i have to practically hold a book 2 inches from my eyes to read it easily. Hope this helped.
edit: They eventually gave me a large dose of gabapentin to calm me down, but i don't remember that.
[a quarter of this is what i remember, and the rest is what they told me]
What were you seeing/hearing/experiencing? I hate it when people give a trip report from this perspective..they don't really do much more than show what an ass you become on some drugs.
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#8
 2008-02-04, 06:33
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Re: Datura
like someone else said, that sounds like a mild datura trip...
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#9
 2008-02-04, 10:04
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Re: Datura
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Originally Posted by jamaica0535
like someone else said, that sounds like a mild datura trip...
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*ehem*
Try VERY mild.
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#10
 2008-02-04, 19:40
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Re: Datura
Words can not describe the chaos that is in ones mind while on datura. I've never experienced such a chaotic view of life on ANYTHING.
This was with smoke datura, on my third time. The first two times I just ate seeds. But the third time I performed an extraction, and smoked the base extract, and after only two nasty tasting hits I started to actually feel the transistion into the world of datura, and let me tell you, it's fucking crazy.
Nothing is real. Everything is detached from itself, and from this world. Things float above as if tethered by only a small string. Just a little, just enough to see that it is not as it should be, and just enough to make you realize that everything in this world is superficial, and how detached we all are.
It's fucking scary. I would say this is as close as I've gotten to seeing hell. If heaven is order, and perfection, and hell is chaos and confusion, then datura is the key to hell.
And when I say chaos, I mean real chaos. The kind of chaos you have to see. The kind of chaos where chaos is the only word you can think to fit it, and it still doesn't come near describing it. This world is not real, and something sinister lay beneath.
I've peeked under the fabric of life with other drugs, and have always found one type of energy or another, or however you could put it, depending on the drug and mood set setting etc, but datura was more than peeking under some fabric, datura was like lifting up an old log, and then you see 1000000000 bugs running from the light, and it's just like OMG how the fuck was something so disgusting and repulsive under something so normal looking?
Again, this is from SMOKING EXTRACT. These same effects were NOT felt through oral ingestion. I experienced the normal cigarette smoking, mirror talking shit everyone did those times.
When I smoked it, I saw all this within about 10 seconds after the second hit, and it lasted about 30 seconds, and after that I ran in the house and went to bed, knowing no other way to cope with the things I had seen.
FUCK DATURA.
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#11
 2008-02-05, 01:39
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Re: Datura
a question to those who have ACTUALLY experienced it:
datura is a deliriant, but is it anything at all like dimenhidrinate? when I was young(er), I stupidly took 40 of them, and was thrown into complete delirium, and to be frank, I didn't enjoy it at the time, but when I snapped out of it, I was like "fuck that was neat"
I experienced all the normal fake cig smokin and finding random shit in your pockets and it was entertaining
from sn's description though, it sounds like datura is a pretty different trip all together. it still sounds kinda appealing though, even just to try once
would bltc recommend it to someone who is WELL aware of the dangers and insanity that will ensue?
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#12
 2008-02-05, 01:50
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Re: Datura
With oral datura, you pretty much have no idea you are even on anything. You totally forget you took anything at all, the whole time. Everything you experience IS REALITY. There is none of this, I took a drug, it will wear off, or knowing wtf is going on.
With diphen, I was talking to people who werent there, and then was like oh, no one was there, this drug is fucking strange, with datura, I was screaming at a mirror for mocking me, and thought the entire thing was real and didn't even remember any of it until I was told about it later.
Totally different. I've done both, and with diphen I knew I was on a drug, with datura, I didn't know shit. I picked up and dropped the same penny over and over at least 200 times on the way to the hospital. Totally forgetting that I had done it not even two seconds before.
It's like a form of amnesia kind of.
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#13
 2008-02-05, 04:45
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Re: Datura
He told me he was hallucinating that he was smoking cigarettes and that he had a pack in his pocket and the sitter told him afterwards that he was just miming smoking cigarettes
this sounds strangely like that highly publicized video of two dudes at a police precinct fucked up on Datura in which one of them sits and acts like (believes he is) smoking cigarettes the whole time..... maybe that guy was your friend?
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#14
 2008-02-05, 10:57
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Re: Datura
this sounds strangely like that highly publicized video of two dudes at a police precinct fucked up on Datura in which one of them sits and acts like (believes he is) smoking cigarettes the whole time..... maybe that guy was your friend?
Or maybe that happens to everyone. Do some research before you say stupid shit acolyte.
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#15
 2008-02-05, 12:04
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Re: Datura
i havent done datura, but benadryl 'dimenhydramine' is also a deleriant and it makes you see shit so vividly that you wont even realize the hallucinations are just that. Ive done it once, and never again , crazy shit!
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#16
 2008-02-05, 13:55
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Re: Datura
i havent done datura, but benadryl 'dimenhydramine' is also a deleriant and it makes you see shit so vividly that you wont even realize the hallucinations are just that. Ive done it once, and never again , crazy shit!How much did you take?. Ive done it plenty times but never had anything crazy like that.
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#17
 2008-02-05, 23:16
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Re: Datura
How much did you take?. Ive done it plenty times but never had anything crazy like that.
You have to take a fair amount of it if you want complete delirium.
When I was on it I saw the most obsucre and eccentric things, it was really funny but completely horrifying at the same time.
It was really strange though, I took them all the night before, and nothing at all happened for a good 12 hours, and then I was sitting on my couch the next morning completely sober, but out of nowhere I was smacked in the head with it.
I turned around and I saw a goth version of my sister staring at my disapprovingly, then turned back and my legs were on this random black guys lap, who was just sitting there.
The really funny part about is though, that I didn't take them to get high. It was actually a suicide attempt, so I had NO idea that I was even on drugs because I didn't know that gravol could do that to people. I ran around my house after the two of them disappeared searching frantically, while my mother watched (my REAL mother) disbelivingly. I thought this big bottle of bubble soap outside was my sister, but when I walked up to it and formed back to the bottle. I searched the house many many times and then when I finally gave up and when back to my room, THERE WAS THE FUCKING NIGGER just sitting on my bed in the SAME exact position he was in on the couch.
I just lay on my bed and my door was open a crack and I could see my step dad turning around in circles with a weird mask on his face and my brother on his shoulders.
You also feel things that aren't there, like I was laying on my back and I saw my laptop on the wall about 6 feet away, and I thought the mouse was on my lap and I kept trying to control it from there.
The sad part was though that I was naught but 12 at the time, and it was the actual first time (I had smoked lots of weed before, but it didn't do ANYTHING at all) that I had felt a high.
Come to the think of it that was the experience that spawned my curiosity of the land beyond sober reality.
This was from 40 gravols and remember I was 12 so I only weighed about 115 pounds.
If you're brave, go for it just to try once, but other than that... LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE
its not something to be messed with
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#18
 2008-02-06, 00:29
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psychomanthis 
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Re: Datura
You have to take a fair amount of it if you want complete delirium.
When I was on it I saw the most obsucre and eccentric things, it was really funny but completely horrifying at the same time.
It was really strange though, I took them all the night before, and nothing at all happened for a good 12 hours, and then I was sitting on my couch the next morning completely sober, but out of nowhere I was smacked in the head with it.
I turned around and I saw a goth version of my sister staring at my disapprovingly, then turned back and my legs were on this random black guys lap, who was just sitting there.
The really funny part about is though, that I didn't take them to get high. It was actually a suicide attempt, so I had NO idea that I was even on drugs because I didn't know that gravol could do that to people. I ran around my house after the two of them disappeared searching frantically, while my mother watched (my REAL mother) disbelivingly. I thought this big bottle of bubble soap outside was my sister, but when I walked up to it and formed back to the bottle. I searched the house many many times and then when I finally gave up and when back to my room, THERE WAS THE FUCKING NIGGER just sitting on my bed in the SAME exact position he was in on the couch.
I just lay on my bed and my door was open a crack and I could see my step dad turning around in circles with a weird mask on his face and my brother on his shoulders.
You also feel things that aren't there, like I was laying on my back and I saw my laptop on the wall about 6 feet away, and I thought the mouse was on my lap and I kept trying to control it from there.
The sad part was though that I was naught but 12 at the time, and it was the actual first time (I had smoked lots of weed before, but it didn't do ANYTHING at all) that I had felt a high.
Come to the think of it that was the experience that spawned my curiosity of the land beyond sober reality.
This was from 40 gravols and remember I was 12 so I only weighed about 115 pounds.
If you're brave, go for it just to try once, but other than that... LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE
its not something to be messed with
The parts with the niggers were funny as hell.
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#19
 2008-02-06, 01:37
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Re: Datura
at the time it wasn't really that funny cause I actually truly believed there was some random black dude in my house and was hiding and then fucked with me my showing up in my bedroom
but looking back on it yeah, its a good laugh
it was like I was starring in my own demented, warped and delusional sitcom
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#20
 2008-02-06, 02:14
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Re: Datura
a question to those who have ACTUALLY experienced it:
yes, it will give you the same delirious trip like qualities that are related to the delerium that diphn. can provide, except on a longer lasting and insane level.
normally you talk to invisible people and roll and smoke invisible things.
if you choose to try it, take like just one normal whole pods worth of seeds and see how you like it.
have someone trip sit for you if possible.
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#21
 2008-02-06, 02:45
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Re: Datura
Is there a good chance that I will end up in the hospital, or is that only if I go way overboard? Also, does it last 24 hours?
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#22
 2008-02-06, 10:30
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Re: Datura
FUCK datura yeah.. but if you want to try it.. i recon the best way is eating the roots!! grind them up and add them to a tea.. seeds are fucked! i figured the roots give you a better chance of a good trip. i dont know why but in my and others cases seeds were fucked and roots always did well.. its still pretty fucked.
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#23
 2008-02-06, 17:28
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Re: Datura
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Originally Posted by tripppa
FUCK datura yeah.. but if you want to try it.. i recon the best way is eating the roots!! grind them up and add them to a tea.. seeds are fucked! i figured the roots give you a better chance of a good trip. i dont know why but in my and others cases seeds were fucked and roots always did well.. its still pretty fucked.
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You know nothing of the datura plant. Atoprine is atropine is fucking atropine, no matter WHERE it comes from in the plant.
I suggest you grow a brain real fucking quick or you are gonna hate me.
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#24
 2008-02-06, 19:01
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Re: Datura
The op's story sounds a lot like the news story about datura, with the guys sitting in the police station where one is smoking an invisible cigarette.
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#25
 2008-02-06, 19:52
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Re: Datura
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Originally Posted by californication123
The op's story sounds a lot like the news story about datura, with the guys sitting in the police station where one is smoking an invisible cigarette.
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Did you even bother to read the rest of the fucking thread? Someone else already said that, and suggested they might be the same people, to which I replied that it happens with EVERY datura experience.
Stop being fucking stupid, and learn how to fucking read.
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#26
 2008-02-07, 05:44
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Re: Datura
You know nothing of the datura plant. Atoprine is atropine is fucking atropine, no matter WHERE it comes from in the plant.
I suggest you grow a brain real fucking quick or you are gonna hate me.
Don't you think you should take into account the possible varying concentration of atropine in different areas of the plant, and scopalamine (a highly potent chemical in and of itself) which could also have a higher or lower concentration in the roots vs. seeds.. Im not saying hes right, because I dont know for a fact, because im not a biochemist, but to say that its not even probable that for whatever reason, one part of the plant would be a predictably different trip is asinine. think the difference of smoking the stem and bud of a marijuana plant... very different effects because of chemical concentration
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#27
 2008-02-07, 06:22
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Re: Datura
Don't you think you should take into account the possible varying concentration of atropine in different areas of the plant, and scopalamine (a highly potent chemical in and of itself) which could also have a higher or lower concentration in the roots vs. seeds.. Im not saying hes right, because I dont know for a fact, because im not a biochemist, but to say that its not even probable that for whatever reason, one part of the plant would be a predictably different trip is asinine. think the difference of smoking the stem and bud of a marijuana plant... very different effects because of chemical concentration
I'm not explaining it, go look it up. Both chemicals cause the exact same effects, the only difference is the TOTAL AMOUNT you ingest. It is the same trip.
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