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Old 2008-02-03, 02:58
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Default Just had a bad salvia trip

I lost total control of my body and conciousness. I some how ended up on the floor which it felt like I was fused to. My friend said I got up from sitting on the bed and picked up a book on the floor and picked up the bong and walked to my door. Then I set them both down by the door and then tried to go out but he stopped me. He said I was just looking around and wouldn't respond to him. Then he said there was like an invisible wall preventing me from walking towards him and I just decided to lay down. That's when I came to.

I thought you were just suppose to see the fuckin walls melt and shit, not lose conciousness. WTF?
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Old 2008-02-03, 03:01
doornob_lightbulb doornob_lightbulb is offline
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

Sounds like a normal salvia trip. Your thinking of lsd not salvia.

e: Iv never lost consciousness before on salvia but I have been so high that i was basically passed out, which is what probably happened to you.
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Old 2008-02-03, 03:06
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

Lol, and you didn't even break through...Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)
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Old 2008-02-03, 03:33
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what do you mean break through?

And @lightbulb. How can I not "pass out"? I've seen people laugh their asses off and feeling funny things when they are tripping. I'd like to experience these things instead of being freaked out because it feels like something came in and possessed me; basically taking control of my body and throwing me into the depths of the universe.
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Old 2008-02-03, 03:37
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

If you'd done your reading. You would have seen that that is why sitters are required? So's you don't get up & wander around in a daze? It's best to Stay Sitting Down until you come down.
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Old 2008-02-03, 03:55
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

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If you'd done your reading. You would have seen that that is why sitters are required? So's you don't get up & wander around in a daze? It's best to Stay Sitting Down until you come down.


Did you not read? I lost control of my body. Something else was controlling my body. I don't even remember getting up at all. That's why I was amazed when I found myself by my door and scared shitless.
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Old 2008-02-03, 03:59
Br00klynB0y87 Br00klynB0y87 is offline
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

I lost control of my body. Something else was controlling my body.

That was Sally, sounds like she bitch slapped you. Maybe you need to show some more respect...

.peace.
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Old 2008-02-03, 04:13
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

Did you not read? I lost control of my body. Something else was controlling my body. I don't even remember getting up at all. That's why I was amazed when I found myself by my door and scared shitless.

Did you read my post? Did you have a designated sitter? If you did? It doesn't sound like he was on his toes if he let you get up! EEK!

Diggg?
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Old 2008-02-03, 05:31
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

well he didn't let me leave the room lol.

When he tripped before me though he was able to play guitar heroe without failing a song. I don't understand why he didn't black out like I did. I don't think he took as much as me though.
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Old 2008-02-03, 05:34
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

When it gets strong? You can't remember that you exist or that you shouldn't move. With a lighter dose you're just vague about existing & more liable to act weird.

How can you control yourself if you don't know you exist?
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Old 2008-02-03, 05:43
GanjaGuru420 GanjaGuru420 is offline
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

it sounds like you and your friend don't have strong enough extract or don't know how to smoke it.
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Old 2008-02-03, 06:02
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

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it sounds like you and your friend don't have strong enough extract or don't know how to smoke it.


Not strong enough? Yea bud that's totally why I blacked out yet still walked around my room and picked up a book and moved it to the other side.

@moon. Well I would have thought that if you don't know you exist, you'd just be laying there on the bed. Yet somehow I wasn't even concious and I walked around my room and spilt water from the bong all over the floor by my door when I had passed out on my bed.
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Old 2008-02-03, 06:07
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

Your body is still there. With all it's muscles & all of your brain to control them.
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Old 2008-02-03, 06:13
doornob_lightbulb doornob_lightbulb is offline
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

Your friend did not break through. Simple as that. You can't fucking play guitar hero while tripping on salvia, watch some videos on youtube, one guy fails HARD trying to make a peanut butter sandwich and the bread and peanut butter are right beside the bong.

In my experience salvia only makes you laugh on the VERGE of breaking through. When you actually break through you don't fucking laugh because your so high you don't even know what laughing is.

Your friends ain't doing it right. And salvia is a shitty drug imo.

Get some shrooms or acid if you can, those are WAY fucking better.

Salvia is an interesting experience but it is not an enjoyable trip. Its too chaotic and confusing to be really fun.

shrooms and lsd ftw.
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Old 2008-02-03, 06:29
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Ya he didn't break through. I know I did and I dunno if I want to again man. I just wasted like 60 bucks =[

What's shrooms like? It doesn't make you pass out and lose conciousness too does it?
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Old 2008-02-03, 06:31
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Ya he didn't break through. I know I did and I dunno if I want to again man. I just wasted like 60 bucks =[

What's shrooms like? It doesn't make you pass out and lose conciousness too does it?


Damn 60 bucks! That fucking sucks, I spent like 5$ at mgb a few years ago and got more salvia then I wanted to smoke.

And shrooms is TOTALLY different then salvia. It won't make you pass out or anything.

salvia = interesting but not enjoyable

shrooms = pure awesomeness. I fucking love them.
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Old 2008-02-03, 06:44
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yea dude 60 bucks and I have so much left.

What kind of effects would I get if I take about half a hit or so? I'm not really up for that big of a trip man. It was pretty insightful but I don't think I'll be up for that again for a while. It was really intense and I was hoping for something more pleasant and make me laugh =/
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Old 2008-02-03, 06:49
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

Once you've broken through (to the other side) & know what it's like to be affected. You can usually get off on way less in future.

Do specks/a 1/20 of a tsp or such. I don't know how much you smoked? So just a lot less.
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Old 2008-02-03, 07:19
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Once you've broken through (to the other side) & know what it's like to be affected. You can usually get off on way less in future.

Do specks/a 1/20 of a tsp or such. I don't know how much you smoked? So just a lot less.


I filled up almost to the top of the bong bowl and inhaled about 3/4 if not all of it.
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Old 2008-02-03, 07:21
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How many ml's is that?
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Old 2008-02-03, 08:43
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

I've seen people laugh their asses off and feeling funny things when they are tripping. I'd like to experience these things instead of being freaked out because it feels like something came in and possessed me; basically taking control of my body and throwing me into the depths of the universe.


You picked the wrong drug. Do your research next time.

People like you are the reason I changed my point of view on salvia legalization. I'd rather have to jump through hoops to get it on the off chance I ever want to use it again, than watch idiots smoke it with no real clue as to what they are ingesting.
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Old 2008-02-03, 16:51
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You picked the wrong drug. Do your research next time.

People like you are the reason I changed my point of view on salvia legalization. I'd rather have to jump through hoops to get it on the off chance I ever want to use it again, than watch idiots smoke it with no real clue as to what they are ingesting.

Cry more little bitch?
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Old 2008-02-03, 19:51
doornob_lightbulb doornob_lightbulb is offline
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

You picked the wrong drug. Do your research next time.

People like you are the reason I changed my point of view on salvia legalization. I'd rather have to jump through hoops to get it on the off chance I ever want to use it again, than watch idiots smoke it with no real clue as to what they are ingesting.

This guy isn't that bad. I have seen people smoking CANNONS of the stuff before. Fucking idiots, it only works in a bong, what a massive waste of salvia. This guy broke through at least.
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Old 2008-02-03, 20:05
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

He's not THAT bad, I'll give you that.

But to ingest a substance like that without actually doing a little bit of research is unforgivably stupid in our wonderful world with "t3h int3rw3b", especially considering we know he has internet access.

I've seen much dumber things from people, but at least most of them had some idea that it wasn't going to be giggling at odd sensations.

Salvia is a mindfuck, and anyone who's done so much as searched "salvia divinorum" on Google is going to know this. Any fun during the trip is generally a byproduct of smoking it wrong.
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Old 2008-02-03, 20:12
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

sounds like a general salvia trip... you should have known that when you break through you are going to lose all sense of reality and reason...

salvia is by no means a pleasant drug for most... its like being grabbed by the balls and hurled into a strange new world...

read god damn it...
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Old 2008-02-03, 20:23
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Default Re: Just had a bad salvia trip

I've seen much dumber things from people, but at least most of them had some idea that it wasn't going to be giggling at odd sensations.

I have seen someone snort a line of weed.... I encouraged him to do another line rather then inform him of his idiocy.
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Old 2008-02-03, 20:31
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Don't go into any kind of trip expecting anything in particular. Unless you are truly mentally prepared/strong, you are going to have absolutely zero control over the direction of your trips (on pretty much any hallucinogen). If you are smoking it because you want to trip like your friend, and you end up disappointed at what you get, you aren't ready for what these drugs have to offer.

Also, I can't fucking stand the Salvia trips you watch on YouTube, it's fucking retards like that that end up giving useful tools for inner reflection a bad name, and ultimately get them put on the legality chopping block. Go do some DXM.
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Old 2008-02-03, 20:44
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The SALVIA Experiential Rating Scale

Level - 1 "S" stands for SUBTLE effects. A feeling that "something" is happening, although it is difficulty to say just what. Relaxation and increased sensual appreciation may be noted. This mild level is useful for meditation and may facilitate sexual pleasure.

Level - 2 "A" stands for ALTERED perception. Colors and textures are more pronounced. Appreciation of music may be enhanced. Space may appear of greater or lesser depth than is usual. But visions do not occur at this level. Thinking becomes less logical, and more playful; short-term memory difficulties may be noted.

Level - 3 "L" stands for LIGHT visionary state. Closed-eye visuals (clear imagery with eyes closed: fractal patterns, vine-like and geometric patterns, visions of objects and designs). The imagery is often two dimensional. If open-eyed visual effects occur, these are usually vague and fleeting. At this level, phenomena similar to the hypnagogic phenomena that some people experience at sleep onset occur. At this level, visions are experienced as "eye candy" but are not confused with reality.

Level - 4 "V" stands for VIVID visionary state. Complex three-dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. Sometimes voices may be heard. With eyes open, contact with consensual reality will not be entirely lost, but when you close your eyes you may forget about consensus reality and enter completely into a dreamlike scene. Shamanistic journeying to other lands--foreign or imaginary; encounters with beings (entities, spirits) or travels to other ages may occur. You may even live the life of another person. At this level you have entered the shaman's world. Or if you prefer: you are in "dream time." With eyes closed, you experience fantasies (dream like happenings with a story line to them). So long as your eyes are closed you may believe they are really occurring. This differs from the "eye candy" closed-eye imagery, of level 3.

Level - 5 "I" stands for IMMATERIAL existence. At this level one may no longer be aware of having a body. Consciousness remains and some thought processes are still lucid, but one becomes completely involved in inner experience and looses all contact with consensual reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with God/dess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with other objects--real or imagined (e.g. experiences such as merging with a wall or piece of furniture). At this level it is impossible to function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to these deep levels. To the person experiencing this the phenomenon may be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the individual may appear confused or disoriented.

Level 6 - "A" stands for AMNESIC effects. At this stage, either consciousness is lost, or at least one is unable to later recall what one had experienced. The individual may fall, or remain immobile or thrash around; somnambulistic behavior may occur. Injuries can be sustained without pain being felt; on awakening, the individual will have no recollection of what he/she did, experienced, or said in level 6. People cannot recall what they experience in this very deep trance state. This is not a desirable level, because nothing can latter be recalled of the experience.

Maybe you got to level 6...
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Old 2008-02-03, 20:44
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Sounds like a normal salvia trip. Your thinking of lsd not salvia.

e: Iv never lost consciousness before on salvia but I have been so high that i was basically passed out, which is what probably happened to you.


this that and the other
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Old 2008-02-04, 00:44
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Ya man I read that shit too. When I saw lvl 6 I was like omg I reached that shit on my first trip and it shattered my world for about 4 hours haha. Looking back now I'm glad I did it because it was such a great and enlightening experience.

How would I be able to reach lvl 4 though? I'd like to just have an OBE or something a little less intense than what I had before.
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Old 2008-02-04, 00:51
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I've found out that level 6 is a lot easier on your mind than a level 4/5. It's just a black spot in your memory unlike remembering the horrific events of the trip.
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Old 2008-02-04, 07:17
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nooo level 6 is experiencing the death of your ego. That is the most terrifying thing imo.
 
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