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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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#1
 2008-02-01, 21:50
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psychoactive cacti
im planning on buying a trichocerus bridgesii plant, what i'm wondering is is the nausea really that bad from ingesting substances like this and san pedro and peruvian torch? also is the taste really that horrible, i think i might just put them in capsules
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#2
 2008-02-01, 21:55
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Kadafi 
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Re: psychoactive cacti
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Originally Posted by automaticmojo
im planning on buying a trichocerus bridgesii plant, what i'm wondering is is the nausea really that bad from ingesting substances like this and san pedro and peruvian torch? also is the taste really that horrible, i think i might just put them in capsules
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I wouldn't do capsules, capsules tend to give you diarrhea. Man up and spoon it down with Kool-Aid.
The taste itself isn't bad at all, it's just that, after you've downed a good portion of powder, you begin to feel nauseous, and you associate the taste of the powder with the nausea. That's the best way I can explain it.
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#3
 2008-02-01, 21:59
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Re: psychoactive cacti
yeah but are the effects really worth it even though it tastes like ass and makes you nauseated and/or vomit?
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#4
 2008-02-01, 22:02
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Re: psychoactive cacti
People often have trouble with gel caps due to the stuff they are made from..you'd probably be better off just getting it down alone. Some people also think it "taints" the effects if they are wrapped in gelcaps..that i'm not sure about.
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#5
 2008-02-01, 22:04
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Kadafi 
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Re: psychoactive cacti
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Originally Posted by automaticmojo
yeah but are the effects really worth it even though it tastes like ass and makes you nauseated and/or vomit?
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Yes, although (of course) seek a high quality product. And don't be a pussy, I'd say take 70 grams (dry cactus pieces) your first time. On an otherwise empty stomach.
Someone's probably going to call me out saying that 70 grams is way too much. But if you get shitty cactus you're going to need that much to go anywhere.
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#6
 2008-02-01, 22:49
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Re: psychoactive cacti
Yes, although (of course) seek a high quality product. And don't be a pussy, I'd say take 70 grams (dry cactus pieces) your first time. On an otherwise empty stomach.
Someone's probably going to call me out saying that 70 grams is way too much. But if you get shitty cactus you're going to need that much to go anywhere.
ok, that right there tells me i should'nt do it. i can't eat all that fucking powder so screw it... the only powder i can eat is kratom
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#7
 2008-02-01, 22:57
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Re: psychoactive cacti
ok, that right there tells me i should'nt do it. i can't eat all that fucking powder so screw it... the only powder i can eat is kratom
Kratom is disgusting..it couldn't be worse than that could it?
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#8
 2008-02-01, 22:58
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Kadafi 
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Re: psychoactive cacti
ok, that right there tells me i should'nt do it. i can't eat all that fucking powder so screw it... the only powder i can eat is kratom
On the bright side, if you get good cactus it could take as little as 15 grams to get off baseline. And remember, if you get shitty cactus you can always do an extraction. Don't give up on it so easily!
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#9
 2008-02-01, 22:59
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Re: psychoactive cacti
On the bright side, if you get good cactus it could take as little as 15 grams to get off baseline. And remember, if you get shitty cactus you can always do an extraction. Don't give up on it so easily!
i might be smart enough to do an extraction but i don't know how to do it and I don't have the materials and resources.
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#10
 2008-02-01, 23:00
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Re: psychoactive cacti
Kratom is disgusting..it couldn't be worse than that could it?
idk cactus sounds like it tastes shitty as hell especially eating very large quantities of it...kratom doesn't really taste that bad for me anyways, it kinda tastes like green tea.
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#11
 2008-02-02, 02:18
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Re: psychoactive cacti
Best method is to do parachutes... put a small pile of powder in the middle of a square of single-ply no-pattern toilet paper. Just straight white 1ply sheets. Kind of like the stuff in 99% of all public bathrooms.
Put the pile in the middle of the sheet and then fold the sides up and then twist it so the powder is in a pouch, rip off any excess paper.
Now, make as many of these as needed to get the whole dose down.
Down the toilet paper pellets with plenty of ginger ale (it helps with nausea, and doesn't taste bad).
toilet paper is a good source of fiber.
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#12
 2008-02-02, 19:14
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Re: psychoactive cacti
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Originally Posted by The Death Monkey
Best method is to do parachutes... put a small pile of powder in the middle of a square of single-ply no-pattern toilet paper. Just straight white 1ply sheets. Kind of like the stuff in 99% of all public bathrooms.
Put the pile in the middle of the sheet and then fold the sides up and then twist it so the powder is in a pouch, rip off any excess paper.
Now, make as many of these as needed to get the whole dose down.
Down the toilet paper pellets with plenty of ginger ale (it helps with nausea, and doesn't taste bad).
toilet paper is a good source of fiber.
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i find it easier to parachute powder using rolling papers, the really slim ones. you can get more powder in one because the paper is not as thick.
Also OP, to eat cactus and also mushrooms i just cut them up really fine and stir them into a glass of fruit juice and while they are still swirling drink the whole glass in one. You don't even taste anything.
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#13
 2008-02-02, 20:01
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Re: psychoactive cacti
Also OP, to eat cactus and also mushrooms i just cut them up really fine and stir them into a glass of fruit juice and while they are still swirling drink the whole glass in one. You don't even taste anything.
i do pretty much the same thing with orange juice and you cant taste it at all
if somehow that doesnt do it for you though, eat like a chaser of peanut butter right after
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#14
 2008-02-02, 20:20
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Re: psychoactive cacti
Extractions are fun and easy.
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#15
 2008-02-02, 22:11
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Re: psychoactive cacti
i do pretty much the same thing with orange juice and you cant taste it at all
if somehow that doesnt do it for you though, eat like a chaser of peanut butter right after
Be careful because the liquid will start to get really thick pretty fast depending on how much you are using
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#16
 2008-02-03, 00:24
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Re: psychoactive cacti
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Originally Posted by stupid noob
Extractions are fun and easy.
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That's just crazy talk.
Also, I agree with whoever suggested using rolling papers for a parachute..it doesn't really make a huge difference, but I also prefer it over tp or paper towels.
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#17
 2008-02-03, 07:38
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Re: psychoactive cacti
What would you call a cactus/shroom trip? ******flipping...
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#18
 2008-02-03, 07:42
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Re: psychoactive cacti
if you can't tolerate the taste then you aren't suited for the trip. weed and dxm might be more up your alley.
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#19
 2008-02-03, 07:43
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Chemical Eudaemonia 
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Re: psychoactive cacti
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Originally Posted by The Death Monkey
What would you call a cactus/shroom trip? ******flipping...
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you would call it a cactus/shroom combo like an intelligent fucking person.
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#20
 2008-02-03, 08:37
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Re: psychoactive cacti
If you can't man up and eat it, at least the first time, you shouldn't be doing it.
I've gone under using San Pedro eleven or twelve times since late July, when I first used it. Every single time, with the exception of a trip using the tea, I've eaten it.
Skin, dice, and swish down with water. Urinate like a race horse while your stomach threatens to spill all over the bathroom. Repeat until the dose is down.
If you've got DRY cactus and are bitching about eating it, you probably aren't going to appreciate the experience at best, and possibly won't be able to handle it.
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#21
 2008-02-03, 09:17
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Re: psychoactive cacti
I can't seem to get over the number of ignorant douche bags, who try to push their ignorance onto other people. 14 - 28 grams of dried Peruvian torch powder is a good first dose, NOT 78 or whatever that retard suggested... You guys need to do some research, check Erowid if you aren't sure. It's not that hard people.
There are several ways you can consume it. First, I'd like to say; for the most part nausea is just part of the mescaline high. However, there are ways to reduce nausea. For instance, the stalky, core of the cactus is said to cause the most so it's best to just leave it out altogether. Just get the slimy sort of translucent material between the core and the layer of tough green skin.
I personally prefer to just do a chemical extraction and pull out the active ingredients. Then you can just put the crystal/powder that results into a single gel-cap or swallow it with a strong flavored liquid like coca-cola. It's not that difficult and several "kitchen extraction" methods can be found on Erowid if I'm not mistaken. Some people also choose the tea and cookies or "biscuits" method. This involves chopping up the good, useable material and heating it in water for a long time, then drinking the resulting liquid and eating the chunks of cactus. Again, that method can be found on Erowid. Next, would be to just put the powder material into gel-caps and eat them. The biggest problem with that method is just swallowing at least 30 - 50 capsules, which can make people's stomach upset. Not to mention such a large amount of cactus material will irritate your stomach as well, part of the cacti's natural defense mechanism. Some people claim the capsules give you diarrhea, but to be honest, that's just the mescaline. Think about it, the capsules are made of gelatin. Unless you're allergic to gelatin, the chances of it giving you the squirts aren't very high. I'm sure there are SOME capsules out there that are made with things that could give people the shits, but I think for the most part it's just the mescaline.
Mescaline will give you crazy squirts and sometimes make you throw up. This is the drug cleansing your body of toxins (according to native Indians; not dot people Indians...) and if you ever look at the shit that comes out after a good dose... well I wouldn't doubt it. Seriously, I've seen some crazy stuff in there, black and weird colored stuff and chunks... None of it looked like stuff I had eaten in the past week or more, and none of it even looked like a normal shit, not even normal diarrhea.
There are other methods I'm sure, but you can find most the good ones on erowid.org so just go there. Do some research, and don't listen to the majority of the people on Totse without getting several other opinions on the matter. I'd go to www.bluelight.ru for any questions involving dose or personal use, or stuff that would involve safety of yourself or others.
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#22
 2008-02-03, 10:33
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Re: psychoactive cacti
The taste is sort of bearable, just powder it, I just cut it up small and gagged every time i swallowed.
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#23
 2008-02-03, 10:37
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Re: psychoactive cacti
Yes, that's one thing I really forgot to mention. The taste of when I tried to consume tea was so vile and disgusting that I nearly threw up as soon as the gross concoction touched my lips. So, if you're worried about it try mixing it with something to cover the taste (maybe coca-cola, but try getting caffeine free, since mescaline can have stimulating feelings as well, and I personally believe it's best to take all drugs by themselves.) OR use one of the other consumption methods.
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#24
 2008-02-03, 17:19
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Re: psychoactive cacti
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Originally Posted by Chemical Eudaemonia
if you can't tolerate the taste then you aren't suited for the trip. weed and dxm might be more up your alley.
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i already smoke weed, and fuck DXM that shit feels stupid.
by the way, have any of you never gotten nausea or vomit from the cactus or is nausea and vomiting very common?
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#25
 2008-02-03, 19:56
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Dedraic 
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Re: psychoactive cacti
If you dose enough to trip more than lightly, and you aren't eating it two or three times a week(which I do not reccomend, mescaline abuse is neither fun nor enlightening), you're going to puke up the cactus, shortly after your stomach tries to break you. If you have dried cactus, you may not have to puke up the gobs of green froth you get from eating it straight.
On the other hand, if you have some pot around, a hit or two might sort it out. I'd recommend against smoking too much, as it tends to dilute the trip to some extent for me. Three or four bowls for the duration of the trip is about right.
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#26
 2008-02-03, 23:38
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Re: psychoactive cacti
I can't seem to get over the number of ignorant douche bags, who try to push their ignorance onto other people. 14 - 28 grams of dried Peruvian torch powder is a good first dose, NOT 78 or whatever that retard suggested... You guys need to do some research, check Erowid if you aren't sure. It's not that hard people.
I'm ignorant? I actually fucking did it. Personal experience > Erowid.
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#27
 2008-02-04, 02:39
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mahatmaganja420 
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Re: psychoactive cacti
Yeah, I've done it plenty of times too... What's your fucking point? The dosing on Erowid is correct. Everyone is different, but the vast majority cites 14 - 28 grams as a good first time dose. Deal with it.
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#28
 2008-02-05, 02:17
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Re: psychoactive cacti
do most people vomit and/or get nausea from these plants?>
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#29
 2008-02-05, 04:41
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Re: psychoactive cacti
has anybody that has done a trichocereus species also done hawaiian baby woodrose. and if so how would you compare the nausea to each other. i just did some baby woodrose a few weeks ago and puked my ass off and had mild nausea with no effects, im just wondering if the nausea/vomiting is worse from the cacti
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#30
 2008-02-05, 04:57
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Chemical Eudaemonia 
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Re: psychoactive cacti
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Originally Posted by automaticmojo
has anybody that has done a trichocereus species also done hawaiian baby woodrose. and if so how would you compare the nausea to each other. i just did some baby woodrose a few weeks ago and puked my ass off and had mild nausea with no effects, im just wondering if the nausea/vomiting is worse from the cacti
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you will get sick and puke your guts out, it's part of the game. every good thing must have its con. if you have the resources you would be wise to extract it
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#31
 2008-02-06, 04:20
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Re: psychoactive cacti
should i buy a peruvianus, bridgesii, or a pachanoi? what do you find to be most hardy and potent?
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