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Old 2008-01-25, 06:48
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Will diabetic needels work to i.v. illicit substances?And what are some solutions that I can practice with to try and get a vien?I was tryin to draw blood but I couldn't hit a vien,any help on any ??the prob. may be that im drunk right now any help?Confused
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Old 2008-01-25, 06:53
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Default Re: will diabetic(sp) needles work?

It cause you drunk.. :p

The needles diabetics use are generally what most people use. :)
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Old 2008-01-25, 06:57
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cool thanks for the reply, I know I shouldn't have tried to do this drunk but what are you gonna do?Im not tryin' to inject anything right now just tryin' to hit a vien for when the day comes,here me??:)Silverballs from what I see here you are invaluable.I didn't use a band around my arm,does that really help the vien pop out that much?
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Old 2008-01-25, 07:12
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Default Re: will diabetic(sp) needles work?

Yes, those needles will work, that's what the majority of all IV drug abusers use. Yes, when you tie off the veins will come to the surface much more. Also, if you slap the inner elbow area a few times that will help raise them as well. Make a fist too, that should help some. And be careful when you're injecting to make sure all the air bubbles are out of the syringe first, even if it means squirting a little of the substances out, just to be safe.
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Old 2008-01-25, 07:20
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Yeah mahat im nuts about getting the air bubbles out ,thanks for the info.Another question what would be a around a bout first dose of iv oxycodone im thinking 30-40mg right?im 250lbs don't want to do to much first off,ive taken 40 mg oral but i puked everytime i tried.doing cwe on oxycodone/apap pills.:p thanks
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Old 2008-01-25, 07:32
mahatmaganja420 mahatmaganja420 is offline
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Let me get this straight... 40 mg was too much orally and make you puke, so now you want to IV about that much? You're kidding right? You'll need a LOT less than that. If you don't have a tolerance, ~20 mg oral should get you pretty high. And I believe IV bioavailability is about 1.5x the bioavailability.
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Old 2008-01-25, 07:37
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Default Re: will diabetic(sp) needles work?

I never trouble myself to get rid of the little 1 unit-sized bubbles at the top of my rigs when I shoot, and I've never had any problems with embolisms. The idea that the smallest bubble will cause an air embolism is a myth; the actual amount of air it would take for that to happen is quite substantial (1/2cc or more) and depends on certain other factors such as body positioning.

Never the less, it is good practice to get rid of all the air bubbles before injecting. Injecting numerous little air bubbles over time can cause issues if they accumulate.

And yes, IV'ing 40mg of anything that would make you sick when taken in an equal dose orally is suicide...
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Old 2008-01-25, 07:43
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Default Re: will diabetic(sp) needles work?

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Originally Posted by mahatmaganja420
Let me get this straight... 40 mg was too much orally and make you puke, so now you want to IV about that much? You're kidding right? You'll need a LOT less than that. If you don't have a tolerance, ~20 mg oral should get you pretty high. And I believe IV bioavailability is about 1.5x the bioavailability.


see this is the reason I am asking questions on totse to get help,my stomach can't handle opiates thats why I said the high number .mahat your a life saver..., litterally, thanks for the info I wouldn't i.v. anything with out help from someone more knowledgable in the subject. see I don't really feel 40mg orally because I usually puke thats why I thought 30-40 mg iv.But I will try 10 mg just to be safe when I try it.See Bltc isnt just full of retards,thanks:)
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Old 2008-01-25, 07:52
mahatmaganja420 mahatmaganja420 is offline
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Yeah, oddly enough there are some incredibly knowledgeable people on hereĀ… Just not very many. Most the people on here who know anything about anything are here specifically to help reduce harm and remove ignorance. Go to www.bluelight.ru there will be a lot more people that can help you with IV use there then there are here.
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Old 2008-01-25, 07:55
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ok, cool, ive been to bluelight before.I will see what they have to say.And thanks again mahat and silverballs and eon. you all are life savers
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Old 2008-01-25, 08:05
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I do what I can; I appreciate you thanking me for my time and effort. You'd be surprised how often people completely ignore me, argue with me, or just flat out never thank me. Hard reduction and ignorance removal is a very thankless job on this forum much of the time :/
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Old 2008-01-25, 08:09
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I may have just turned 21 but I dont care how old you are as long as you have good viable info I will listen,and that goes to any one on totse.ther should be more people like you guys:D
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Old 2008-01-25, 08:11
mahatmaganja420 mahatmaganja420 is offline
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Wait... Are you implying... How old do you think I am?
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Old 2008-01-25, 08:13
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Default Re: will diabetic(sp) needles work?

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Originally Posted by Not a drug user
cool thanks for the reply, I know I shouldn't have tried to do this drunk but what are you gonna do?Im not tryin' to inject anything right now just tryin' to hit a vien for when the day comes,here me??:)Silverballs from what I see here you are invaluable.I didn't use a band around my arm,does that really help the vien pop out that much?


Haha, shit i've shot vodka when i was completely blind..
You've just gotta get in quick, otherwise you lose focus and just piss around stabbing yourself.

Yeah tourniquets help a fair bit too. :)
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Old 2008-01-25, 08:13
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dont get me wrong here,just saying I dont know your age.And will take advice from anyone more knowledeable(most people on here are young)
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Old 2008-01-25, 08:17
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Haha, shit i've shot vodka when i was completely blind..
You've just gotta get in quick, otherwise you lose focus and just piss around stabbing yourself.

Yeah tourniquets help a fair bit too. :)

Ive thought about trying everclear 190proof just so if i get a vien i will feel it but i don't think i will.(pretty sure I wont)Having problems registering a vien.
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Old 2008-01-25, 08:21
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Ive thought about trying everclear 190proof just so if i get a vien i will feel it but i don't think i will.(pretty sure I wont)Having problems registering a vien.

When attempting to register a vein, here's a tip:

Immediately after piercing the skin (but before you pierce the vein), pull back a little bit on the plunger. This will create a "vacuum", or suction, within the chamber that will immediately draw blood into the syringe when the needle comes into contact with a vein.

This way you don't have to jab your arm, hope to hit a vein, and then try to register. Doing it that way when you're new to IV'ing is a good way to fuck up your arms fast. Try it the way I mentioned and I guarantee you you'll save yourself alot of time and frustration.

I don't ever tie off or use a tourniquet (my veins are visible enough), but if you do make sure you release it after you register. If you can't release it after registering without knocking the needle out of the vein, then make sure to do so after you inject. Not releasing the tourniquet, especially if it's a tight one, is a good way to collapse your vein. You'd be surprised how many people don't do this...

You're attempting to IV a pill, right? Don't apply heat and make sure you filter well. I'm assuming you don't have any micron filters so my advice would be to backload. In other words, take a syringe and put small pieces of cotton/coffee filter inside of it. Next, pour your opiate solution into the rig with the filters and replace the plunger, pushing the solution through the filters out and into a spoon. This is the next best way to filter anything next to using a micron....
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Old 2008-01-25, 08:28
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Default Re: will diabetic(sp) needles work?

[QUOTE=eon_blue;9508365]When attempting to register a vein, here's a tip:

Immediately after piercing the skin (but before you pierce the vein), pull back a little bit on the plunger. This will create a "vacuum", or suction, within the chamber that will immediately draw blood into the syringe when the needle comes into contact with a vein.

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See I tried this exactly as stated but no luck,will try tomorrow when im not drunk,aslo using rubbing alchy to clean before percing (sp)the skin just to be safe.Yeah I don't have any filters but before I decide to actually do the iv I will try an get some filters.
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Old 2008-01-25, 12:59
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my stomach can't handle opiates thats why I said the high number... see I don't really feel 40mg orally because I usually puke thats why I thought 30-40 mg iv.

It is my understanding that this symptom of toxicity is mediated at the receptor level, rather than in the stomach itself...
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Old 2008-01-26, 08:07
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ok i dont think you should be trying to shoot up,when you dont even know that a hype is a hype,and 40mg makes you puke, i laugh at that i havent puked from that much in years,puttin that shit in your arm..... why? your getting in over your head man,get ready to go from causaul drug user to dope feind
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Old 2008-01-26, 08:19
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Default Re: will diabetic(sp) needles work?

Haha, shit i've shot vodka when i was completely blind..
You've just gotta get in quick, otherwise you lose focus and just piss around stabbing yourself.

Yeah tourniquets help a fair bit too. :)

Yeah, I've shot some vodka while drunk too....

And some K-pins... bad ideas.
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Old 2008-01-31, 19:53
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Default Re: will diabetic(sp) needles work?

Cwe problems,I can't find the solubility of oxycodone in cold water(don't mean to bump an old thread,but I need to know)
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Old 2008-01-31, 21:08
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Default Re: will diabetic(sp) needles work?

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Cwe problems,I can't find the solubility of oxycodone in cold water(don't mean to bump an old thread,but I need to know)


heat it up till it just starts to boil it should all dissolve
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Old 2008-01-31, 22:13
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Default Re: will diabetic(sp) needles work?

heat it up till it just starts to boil it should all dissolve

Not to discredit you spl1ff but I have heard that opiates are destroyed in high heat environments,even for a short time .Am I right??Confused oh and btw how do you do a cwe on pils for iv use???I think I have all the bases covered except for the cwe do you fill up a needle and use that water to dissolve the shit then filter and then do it ,or do the cwe and evap until said quantity will fit into the needle ,then filter and inject?Or am I just overthinking this and should just go ahead with the cwe with 1/2 to 3/4 needle full of distilled water(I have 100 unit needles) do cwe/filter/register/bam
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Old 2008-02-01, 06:45
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Default Re: will diabetic(sp) needles work?

Not to discredit you spl1ff but I have heard that opiates are destroyed in high heat environments,even for a short time .Am I right??Confused oh and btw how do you do a cwe on pils for iv use???I think I have all the bases covered except for the cwe do you fill up a needle and use that water to dissolve the shit then filter and then do it ,or do the cwe and evap until said quantity will fit into the needle ,then filter and inject?Or am I just overthinking this and should just go ahead with the cwe with 1/2 to 3/4 needle full of distilled water(I have 100 unit needles) do cwe/filter/register/bam

What are you trying to shoot?
As in what kinda oxy?

When i had a stab at oxy..
I just crushed, dissolved and heated for a lil bit, filtered through a cotton and shot.
Ofcourse i was using some 20mg something or another's, sooo.. :)
 
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