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Old 2008-01-24, 05:15
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I am very interested in trying lsd. However i have no idea where to get it from. I can easily get meth,coke,x,smack all these types of drugs but no psychedelics. It's like the only thing i haven't really tried and i want to do it. But i have no connections. What the hell do i do? Oh and no salvia i'm in louisiana. FUCK
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Old 2008-01-24, 05:21
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Get into shroom-growing, own the market, have many psychedelic trips, be a local hero.
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Old 2008-01-24, 05:28
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grow some shrooms like the guy above me said...

psychedelic dealers are out there... there probably 3 guys in my area that supply everyone that wants any at my school...

or talk to the hippies...
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Old 2008-01-24, 05:31
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... there probably 3 guys in my area that supply everyone that wants any at my school ...

Become this person. Own the market yourself.
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Old 2008-01-24, 05:31
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I have to agree with Obbe. They aren't actually that hard to grow, and the spores are technically legal in most states (all but two I believe, CA and another...) Also, another good option would be Mescaline. Order some Peruvian Torch powder or San Pedro powder, make a tea, fill up capsules and swallow, or do a simple extraction of the active ingredients. These aren't the only hallucinogens you can get as well; there are also Amanita Muscaria (Which I don't recommend to most anyone. They can be incredible, life changing even. However, they are also dangerous to those who don't do the proper research, etc. And that pretty much means most everyone on this site should stay away from them.), Belladonna and related plants (Yet again, best if most everyone here stays away from them. I actually wouldn't even really recommend these to anyone... They have a very limited use.), Hawaiian Baby Woodrose/Morning Glory Seeds (They can be incredible, if you treat them with the respect they deserve. Unlike many "legal highs" these things can be quite intense when used properly. However, the experience can also be very unpleasant when used improperly, exercise caution), and there are also many others. However, I think you should have your hands full with those as is, give them a shot, and let us know how things go.
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Old 2008-01-24, 05:36
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Georgia, and Ohio are the other states where the spores are illegal....

so i get fucked over for shrooms as far as price goes...
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Old 2008-01-24, 05:38
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Get into shroom-growing, own the market, have many psychedelic trips, be a local hero.


Eventhough I love growing shrooms, I'm going to have to go with DMT extraction. Ayehuasca is usually a pretty remarkable trip.
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Old 2008-01-24, 05:51
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I would recommend AGAINST Ayahuasca for most anyone on this site. Not only because I believe DMT is too strong a chemical for the majority of this forum's population, but also because it contains an MAOI. MAOIs can be incredibly dangerous when you don't know what you're doing, and to be on the safe side, it's best to assume everyone on this site doesn't in fact know what they are doing.
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Old 2008-01-24, 05:56
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I am very interested in trying lsd. However i have no idea where to get it from. I can easily get meth,coke,x,smack all these types of drugs but no psychedelics. It's like the only thing i haven't really tried and i want to do it. But i have no connections. What the hell do i do? Oh and no salvia i'm in louisiana. FUCK


What part of Louisiana? I'm from there.
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Old 2008-01-24, 05:57
jamaica0535 jamaica0535 is offline
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I would recommend AGAINST Ayahuasca for most anyone on this site. Not only because I believe DMT is too strong a chemical for the majority of this forum's population, but also because it contains an MAOI. MAOIs can be incredibly dangerous when you don't know what you're doing, and to be on the safe side, it's best to assume everyone on this site doesn't in fact know what they are doing.


the MAOI diet is not that hard... you could just not eat 24 hours before the trip anyways and that cuts out most danger of the MAOI fucking you up, but if your paranoid you can do the MAOI diet for a couple days... your going to puke anyways, fasting will make it easier for your stomach to handle for long enough before you do eventually puke...
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Old 2008-01-24, 06:00
mahatmaganja420 mahatmaganja420 is offline
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I'm not saying it's difficult per say, I'm saying that the majority of the people on this site will either A) Not know about it and therefore not follow it B) Know about it and think they are H4R(0R3 and consume whatever they wanted anyway or C) Try to follow it and fuck up because they're idiots. And besides that, I still think that DMT is too powerful of an experience for most the kidiots of this forum.
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Old 2008-01-24, 06:01
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the MAOI diet is not that hard... you could just not eat 24 hours before the trip anyways and that cuts out most danger of the MAOI fucking you up, but if your paranoid you can do the MAOI diet for a couple days... your going to puke anyways, fasting will make it easier for your stomach to handle for long enough before you do eventually puke...

you missed his whole point. idiots shouldn't do aya, it will pwn them.
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Old 2008-01-24, 06:03
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Eventhough I love growing shrooms, I'm going to have to go with DMT extraction.

If he can get the materials, it certainly doesn't seem too hard to do. But I think more people would enjoy shrooms on a regular basis, probably be a better market.
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Old 2008-01-24, 06:04
jamaica0535 jamaica0535 is offline
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you missed his whole point. idiots shouldn't do aya, it will pwn them.

yes... idiots and drugs dont mix, and darwin will be proved right time and time again...

surprisingly, i believe i took most of that diet thing from things you have said... you tend to know your shit when you actually want to do anything other than insult people...
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Old 2008-01-24, 06:06
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yes... idiots and drugs dont mix, and darwin will be proved right time and time again...


that's what you don't want to happen. everytime fucking darwin gets proved, something gets fucking banned.
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Old 2008-01-24, 06:16
jamaica0535 jamaica0535 is offline
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that's what you don't want to happen. everytime fucking darwin gets proved, something gets fucking banned.

good point. now how do we deal with the idiots if they arent killing themselves? trying to get them to educate themselves certainly doesn't work...
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Old 2008-01-24, 06:29
mahatmaganja420 mahatmaganja420 is offline
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Well, my idea was to decriminalize drugs, but with heavy restrictions. If you make them legal but controlled like Cigarettes and Alcohol, they will actually be harder to get then if they are even illegal. So make people get a license in order to even own certain things, let alone use them. And in order to get the license, they need to pass several tests demonstrating their proper applied knowledge of the subject and substance. I think it's a pretty good idea. Then they can also do background checks on people for Psychedelics to further prevent issues.
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Old 2008-01-24, 06:29
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good point. now how do we deal with the idiots if they arent killing themselves? trying to get them to educate themselves certainly doesn't work...


It's the question that never leaves my mind.

I stay away from DMT for that reason. I've got a couple of connections for it but right now in my life would be a terrible time for a DMT trip(17). I'm going to wait until I'm in a comfortable living situation and mental state before I start my intense psyche journeys. Right now I just play around and DMT can't just be played with.

OP: You're in the same situation I am(well not as of recently) but for a while I couldn't get acid at all. I had a connection that died and since then no one has had it in this whole area. All you need to do is get your hands on some LSA and start dealing, remember to be legit about it that it's LSA and once extracted and blottered with the right ratio they won't care that it's not acid. That or start asking all the dealers you know until you find someone that can get some and start selling to your dealers and such as urrvry one up thurr said.

Man I'm baked. It's amazing what pollen or keif or what ever you call it can do on some leaf. Like, that's actually mind blowing how high that gets you for no actual bud.
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Old 2008-01-24, 06:35
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that's actually mind blowing

Weeeeeeeeee!!!
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Old 2008-01-24, 06:43
mahatmaganja420 mahatmaganja420 is offline
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It's the question that never leaves my mind.

I stay away from DMT for that reason. I've got a couple of connections for it but right now in my life would be a terrible time for a DMT trip(17). I'm going to wait until I'm in a comfortable living situation and mental state before I start my intense psyche journeys. Right now I just play around and DMT can't just be played with.

OP: You're in the same situation I am(well not as of recently) but for a while I couldn't get acid at all. I had a connection that died and since then no one has had it in this whole area. All you need to do is get your hands on some LSA and start dealing, remember to be legit about it that it's LSA and once extracted and blottered with the right ratio they won't care that it's not acid. That or start asking all the dealers you know until you find someone that can get some and start selling to your dealers and such as urrvry one up thurr said.

Man I'm baked. It's amazing what pollen or keif or what ever you call it can do on some leaf. Like, that's actually mind blowing how high that gets you for no actual bud.

Please don't speak on a subject without knowing what you're talking about. Its comments like these that contribute to the ignorance... The average blotter can hold at most 2 mg of a substance. The average dose for LSA is at LEAST 3 - 5 mg (If I recall correctly), however the subject isn't well documented. You know why, because no one ever gets pure LSA. And the average person on this website isn't going to know how to properly extract it. AND even if they DID, they probably won't know how to accurately dose each hit. Not to mention that it's absolutely immoral and douche-esque to sell any drug as something else, cock ass...
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Old 2008-01-24, 06:48
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good point. now how do we deal with the idiots if they arent killing themselves? trying to get them to educate themselves certainly doesn't work...


You do like me, scream at the dumb little motherfuckers till they pull their heads out of their asses.
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Old 2008-01-24, 07:03
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Definitely try growing mushies, i am :p
Besides that, hit up your other dealers, see if they know a someone in the know..

You do like me, scream at the dumb little motherfuckers till they pull their heads out of their asses.

Or whinge for a bit and leave.. :)
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Old 2008-01-24, 07:09
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Please don't speak on a subject without knowing what you're talking about. Its comments like these that contribute to the ignorance... The average blotter can hold at most 2 mg of a substance. The average dose for LSA is at LEAST 3 - 5 mg (If I recall correctly), however the subject isn't well documented. You know why, because no one ever gets pure LSA. And the average person on this website isn't going to know how to properly extract it. AND even if they DID, they probably won't know how to accurately dose each hit. Not to mention that it's absolutely immoral and douche-esque to sell any drug as something else, cock ass...

You can use different absorbent paper / take more blots at a time. Dosing would be helped by the amount of blots that had to be taken and if it became too much for comfort then you could sell it with a different medium. It's not that hard to extract LSA to be quite honest. As long as you have a brain. Also, learn to read. I said BE FUCKING LEGIT! As in, don't rip them off by saying it's LSD as it's gay shit. When there is a lack of acid people will take what you can get them. At least around here.

So honestly, do as SN said, correct what needs correction. I've said nothing absurd cock cobbler.
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Old 2008-01-24, 07:56
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wtf is a cock cobbler? someone who cobbles together cocks? lol those two words give me the image of a "cobble/cockle" road. You know, cobble stones in a road, but penii instead.

But yeah, I knew you meant gobbler, I just thought the mental image of a street paved with penors was hilarious.


Not only is a a bumpy ride, but the roads are slippery!
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Old 2008-01-24, 08:08
mahatmaganja420 mahatmaganja420 is offline
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HAHA, yes... cock cobbler... Classic...
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Old 2008-01-24, 10:54
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op could try dxm. I know its not a good idea but if someone is really desperate for a psychedelic experience dxm is the best. I still haven't tried acid or mushrooms or peyote but i've done a lot of dxm and ketamine and some 5-meo-dmt and RCs but like the OP i don't really know where to get any psychedelics from.

I mean, dxm is the one psychedelic that's openly availible for everyone with no need of connections. And the first few dxm trips really are profound.

Is there any website that will send mushroom spore samples for free? I read about it once but lost the link.

Last year through a miracle I got 2 small peyote buttons and started to grow them but 2 months ago the plant was gone. someone stole it :( so now my choices are limited to dxm and ketamine.
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Old 2008-01-24, 13:21
mahatmaganja420 mahatmaganja420 is offline
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...for a psychedelic experience dxm is the best. I still haven't tried acid or mushrooms or peyote but i've done a lot of dxm and...

I call troll... Or, alternately; I call kidiot. If you are going to take an OTC substance to hallucinate, take Benadryl. I've taken shrooms, acid, mescaline, DXM, amanita muscaria, LSA, Ketamine, Ambien, etc etc... But none have even come close to producing hallucinations as powerful, vivid, and/or realistic as those generated by Benadryl. I mean, many would call it a deleriant, and I suppose it is. But... God damn. I recall one time I had consumed 33 pills, and smoke several bowls of chronic and shortly after my brother walked into my room to ask, "Who are you talking to?". Upon this, I looked around my room and quietly let out a little chuckle, then responded with, "No one. I'm crazy." He said, "Yes you are." and left. I hung out with my friends all night that night even though I was alone. God, those were some rediculously fucked up days... To be young...
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Old 2008-01-24, 15:11
Miluardo Miluardo is offline
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I call troll... Or, alternately; I call kidiot. If you are going to take an OTC substance to hallucinate, take Benadryl. I've taken shrooms, acid, mescaline, DXM, amanita muscaria, LSA, Ketamine, Ambien, etc etc... But none have even come close to producing hallucinations as powerful, vivid, and/or realistic as those generated by Benadryl. I mean, many would call it a deleriant, and I suppose it is. But... God damn. I recall one time I had consumed 33 pills, and smoke several bowls of chronic and shortly after my brother walked into my room to ask, "Who are you talking to?". Upon this, I looked around my room and quietly let out a little chuckle, then responded with, "No one. I'm crazy." He said, "Yes you are." and left. I hung out with my friends all night that night even though I was alone. God, those were some rediculously fucked up days... To be young...

You're a fucking machine man. I can't handle a ton of diphen/dimen or I start to get into a spiral of horrid feelings(bad trip feelings like on shrooms). It's why I'm waiting to do more psyches because I'd probly end up fucking myself up if I went on tons of journeys right now. Did the people you talked to know anything you didn't?(I doubt they could but I wonder if your mind and draw fairly intelligent conclusions subconsciously or something of the like)

To the dude that recommended DXM as a psychedelic I'd say stfu. I have done shrooms, lsd, lsa, and dxm with dxm being less then half the prolific / mental expansion of any other ones.
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Old 2008-01-24, 15:51
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I call troll... Or, alternately; I call kidiot. If you are going to take an OTC substance to hallucinate, take Benadryl. I've taken shrooms, acid, mescaline, DXM, amanita muscaria, LSA, Ketamine, Ambien, etc etc... But none have even come close to producing hallucinations as powerful, vivid, and/or realistic as those generated by Benadryl. I mean, many would call it a deleriant, and I suppose it is. But... God damn. I recall one time I had consumed 33 pills, and smoke several bowls of chronic and shortly after my brother walked into my room to ask, "Who are you talking to?". Upon this, I looked around my room and quietly let out a little chuckle, then responded with, "No one. I'm crazy." He said, "Yes you are." and left. I hung out with my friends all night that night even though I was alone. God, those were some rediculously fucked up days... To be young...

you're quick to label others but I didn't talk about hallucinations. I meant the psychedelic experience, ego loss and that kind of thing. DXM is quite enough to have a life altering profound psychedelic experience more then once.



To the dude that recommended DXM as a psychedelic I'd say stfu. I have done shrooms, lsd, lsa, and dxm with dxm being less then half the prolific / mental expansion of any other ones.

Miluardo it was just a suggestion. I didn't know you had already done shrooms and lsd. I thought you'd never had a psychedelic experience. I consider DXM only as a last resort for a psychedelic experience and don't go near deleriants like benadryl or dramamine.
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Old 2008-01-24, 16:24
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wtf is a cock cobbler? someone who cobbles together cocks? lol those two words give me the image of a "cobble/cockle" road. You know, cobble stones in a road, but penii instead.

But yeah, I knew you meant gobbler, I just thought the mental image of a street paved with penors was hilarious.


Not only is a a bumpy ride, but the roads are slippery!


Or a penis casserole.
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Old 2008-01-25, 05:02
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What part of Louisiana? I'm from there.

Laffy
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Old 2008-01-25, 05:21
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Laffy

I'm from near Shreveport.
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Old 2008-01-25, 05:21
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I have to agree with Obbe. They aren't actually that hard to grow, and the spores are technically legal in most states (all but two I believe, CA and another...) Also, another good option would be Mescaline. Order some Peruvian Torch powder or San Pedro powder, make a tea, fill up capsules and swallow, or do a simple extraction of the active ingredients. These aren't the only hallucinogens you can get as well; there are also Amanita Muscaria (Which I don't recommend to most anyone. They can be incredible, life changing even. However, they are also dangerous to those who don't do the proper research, etc. And that pretty much means most everyone on this site should stay away from them.), Belladonna and related plants (Yet again, best if most everyone here stays away from them. I actually wouldn't even really recommend these to anyone... They have a very limited use.), Hawaiian Baby Woodrose/Morning Glory Seeds (They can be incredible, if you treat them with the respect they deserve. Unlike many "legal highs" these things can be quite intense when used properly. However, the experience can also be very unpleasant when used improperly, exercise caution), and there are also many others. However, I think you should have your hands full with those as is, give them a shot, and let us know how things go.


Thanks a lot. Lead me in the right direction.
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Old 2008-01-25, 05:28
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I have to agree with Obbe. They aren't actually that hard to grow, and the spores are technically legal in most states (all but two I believe, CA and another...) Also, another good option would be Mescaline. Order some Peruvian Torch powder or San Pedro powder, make a tea, fill up capsules and swallow, or do a simple extraction of the active ingredients. These aren't the only hallucinogens you can get as well; there are also Amanita Muscaria (Which I don't recommend to most anyone. They can be incredible, life changing even. However, they are also dangerous to those who don't do the proper research, etc. And that pretty much means most everyone on this site should stay away from them.), Belladonna and related plants (Yet again, best if most everyone here stays away from them. I actually wouldn't even really recommend these to anyone... They have a very limited use.), Hawaiian Baby Woodrose/Morning Glory Seeds (They can be incredible, if you treat them with the respect they deserve. Unlike many "legal highs" these things can be quite intense when used properly. However, the experience can also be very unpleasant when used improperly, exercise caution), and there are also many others. However, I think you should have your hands full with those as is, give them a shot, and let us know how things go.


Say i can get San Pedro powder. How do you prepare it? How much is needed?
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Old 2008-01-25, 06:17
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There are many ways you can prepare it. I think I've mentioned them briefly already, but here is some info again. One such method of ingestion is by making a tea, another way is to encapsulate the powder and swallow them, yet another way is to extract the active ingredients and then smoke/swallow that... There are plenty of methods, and there are plenty of sites that go into these in some detail. Go here http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti.shtml there should be some good info on the various methods.
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Old 2008-01-26, 21:28
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Say i can get San Pedro powder. How do you prepare it? How much is needed?


Do not buy san pedro powder. First of all, it could be anything. Second of all, buying it prepowdered brings it that much closer to media attention and eventual scheduling. Powdered cactus has no other use than getting high, where as buying seeds or cactus cuttings doesn't. You can grow them, giving them a legitimate use. Powdered has no legitimate use, AND again, you have no idea what it actually is, and it could be cut with any number of things.


Buying prepowdered saves you what, five minutes of work? and in the end it just may contribute to this plant being illegal to sell or possess.
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Old 2008-01-26, 22:32
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ATTN STUPID NOOB AND MAHATMA -

Do you not think that recommending mescaline as his first psychedelic is a bit much?

I'd HIGHLY recommend the shrooms before the mescaline.

However, that's where my knowledge on the topic stops. I have no idea how to grow mushrooms from spores (do you even have to do very much at all?)...
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Old 2008-01-26, 23:01
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This mahatmaganja guy talks out of his ass significantly more than even stupid noob himself. The problem lies in mahatfag thinking he knows everything, but never really knows the entire truth, only bits and pieces that he's read online. All the bits converge into one gigantic faggot.
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Old 2008-01-26, 23:35
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ATTN STUPID NOOB AND MAHATMA -

Do you not think that recommending mescaline as his first psychedelic is a bit much?

I'd HIGHLY recommend the shrooms before the mescaline.

However, that's where my knowledge on the topic stops. I have no idea how to grow mushrooms from spores (do you even have to do very much at all?)...



I never suggested he use ANYTHING for his first trip. I was merely talking about buying powdered san pedro. It had nothing to do with anything BUT powdered san pedro.


BUT many people use mescaline first. Shulgins first was mescaline, and he turned out fine.
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Old 2008-01-26, 23:41
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wtf is a cock cobbler? someone who cobbles together cocks? lol those two words give me the image of a "cobble/cockle" road. You know, cobble stones in a road, but penii instead.

But yeah, I knew you meant gobbler, I just thought the mental image of a street paved with penors was hilarious.


Not only is a a bumpy ride, but the roads are slippery!


I have a friend whose last name is cobbledick.

I meant the psychedelic experience, ego loss and that kind of thing. DXM is quite enough to have a life altering profound psychedelic experience more then once.
I'd reccomend salvia over DXM as a starting dissociative, but then again, I'd still recommend ayehuasca before a dissociative.

I mean think about it, Ayehuasca is parallel to eating marijuana food. It comes on slowly, you can make it in your kitchen, and it lasts for a decent amount of time. Also, the fact that the drink is really bitter, allows users to titrate your dose, start slow and low, and if things start to get uncomfortable, stop drinking. And the MAOI diet isn't even that strict. DMT smoked and IVed are like class 5 rapids, Ayehuasca is like the Small world ride at disneyland.
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Old 2008-01-27, 04:22
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Well, my idea was to decriminalize drugs, but with heavy restrictions. If you make them legal but controlled like Cigarettes and Alcohol, they will actually be harder to get then if they are even illegal. So make people get a license in order to even own certain things, let alone use them. And in order to get the license, they need to pass several tests demonstrating their proper applied knowledge of the subject and substance. I think it's a pretty good idea. Then they can also do background checks on people for Psychedelics to further prevent issues.


This would cost so much. It would not be feasible. Plus, if people are stupid enough to kill themselves trying to get high, let them. It only means less stupid people to put up with.
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Old 2008-01-27, 06:11
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ATTN STUPID NOOB AND MAHATMA -

Do you not think that recommending mescaline as his first psychedelic is a bit much?

I'd HIGHLY recommend the shrooms before the mescaline.

However, that's where my knowledge on the topic stops. I have no idea how to grow mushrooms from spores (do you even have to do very much at all?)...


ive never done mescaline, even though i would love to try it...

but from what ive read, it doesn't seem like a bad psych to start with... even with pretty high doses, nothing seems very unpleasant about it as long as they are aware about the nausea on the come up... seems pretty easygoing even compared to lsd.... shrooms were easy on the mind for me but my first acid trip was one hell of a ride through my mind...
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Old 2008-01-27, 06:12
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Default Re: psychedelics

Well, my idea was to decriminalize drugs, but with heavy restrictions.

Decriminalization is a terrible idea, because most of the time 'decriminalization' is discussed, it refers to the consumer's end of the market; it would be alright for a user to toke and have a limited amount of weed, but certain amounts, sale, trafficking, and growing/production are left illegal ... and in these concepts of 'decriminalization', increasing the severity of the penalty for those crimes is often included.

This would create a more difficult environment for the average person, and cause a market more connected to organized crime then before. It would make existing problems worse in many ways, such as increasing the cost of illegal drugs.

Legalization is the only way to solve the problem of prohibition.

If you make them legal but controlled like Cigarettes and Alcohol, they will actually be harder to get then if they are even illegal.

Who decides how 'controlled', and which drugs should be?

So make people get a license in order to even own certain things, let alone use them. And in order to get the license, they need to pass several tests demonstrating their proper applied knowledge of the subject and substance.

Why? Alcohol probably has a bigger detrimental effect on society as a whole, then any of these illegal drugs do ... we do not insist people go through all that before drinking. And no, I do not think its because alcohol is already legal and we don't do all that testing which causes the problem ... I think it's because alcohol is a shitty drug.

I don't think we need to put people though all that, and make them obtain cards ... they just need better education.

I think it's a pretty good idea. Then they can also do background checks on people for Psychedelics to further prevent issues.

Gee ... idolize Big Brother much?
 
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