I was thinking of trying salvia for the first time. What x should i use, what are the major/minor risks and what are the pros. what x is recommended to "break through"

This si a noobish question but i want to hear all the bad and good point before trying any hallucongenic(sp?)

I started on 10x and broke through fine so Id use that. Use a torch lighter, hold it in as long as you can. Id use a bong not a pipe because its harsh to take in smoke that hot.

Don't think there are any risks really...except you could go a bit mental so its good to have someone (NOT the sort of person who'd fuck with you) to look after you when youre out of it. I doubt you could do much harm to yourself when youve broken through though, you wouldn't know how

I loved it but it isn't for everyone. Completely out of control, its a distinctive feeling...very hard to describe.

So GO for it

ok, me and my stoner buddy don't have bongs, only a pipe and skins. We're amateurs so yes i'll try it then, although i think i already have mental problems soo is it still advisable?

You think you have mental problems? In that case I would strongly advise against it, many of the experienced people on here will vouch for it as being one of the strongest psychedelics before you get to the very uncommon stuff like DMT. Once you hold that smoke in lady salvia has you by the balls and she'll throw you around as much as she likes.

honestly, salvia is not a good first psychedelic....

go and buy a couple hits of acid or an eighth of shroom... and be out of your head for the night... split either of these between you and a fried...

salvia is a crazy bitch of a psychedelic... up until this point in your drug usage you have never had reality ripped apart by the seams until you fall into another world where nothing is like the real world.... normal rules don't apply, time doesn't apply...

you might spend what seems like an eternity as a sofa or wall... or in my case fall into a white abyss with only a circus tent and yourself... or not even have a body and just see a system of candy canes and people forming triangles that stretches on forever...

imagine your entire life as being the driver of a car... you go from driving calmly along to being shoved into the passenger seat and the new driver just floors it... there is no control, your just in it for the ride...

but honestly though, start with half an eighth of mushrooms... or a couple hits of acid... both of these are much more gentle than salvia... just be in a good environment with a good friend, take the drug and as a good friend once told me "just let the lovin take hold"....

and assuming you have read this far... what sort of mental problems do you think you have? theres so many... everyone probably has some sort of mental disorder or another...

schizoid
paranoid
schiz-something not shizophrenia
obsessive compulsive

thats about it

schizotypal?
And, no, you should probably stay away from psychedelics if you have that many personality disorders. I mean seriously, you're going to be paranoid for the whole trip.

schizotypal?
And, no, you should probably stay away from psychedelics if you have that many personality disorders. I mean seriously, you're going to be paranoid for the whole trip.

Being diagnosed with a mental disorder doesn't really mean shit. I've been called quite a few different things and it's just pathetic on what they try to make people out to be. Drugs can help bring actual disorders to the front, but that's only if you actually have it. Oh, if you smoke it right and breakthrough, you're not going to be "paranoid" in the traditional sense. I was fearing for my life the first time I brokethrough, but I was also on DXM. Salvia + DXM are and overall bad combo if you want a pleasant experience. The closest time I had to a pleasant experience on salvia was my first experience and I physically got up while in salvia-land. I tried to run away and my two friends had to tackle my ass. I am also one of the select few who have horrific experiences with the drug no matter what. It usually ends up in hallucinations attacking me or I melt/fuse with something in a very unpleasant way. I smoked x10 in the beginning and then I moved onto x30. Make a gravity bong and take the hit quickly or the active chemicals will condense and form a solid film on the inside of the gravity bong. You can tell the difference in hits that you let sit a second or two longer than the ones you take immediately. I've experimented with the drug countless times and I personally know it is never a positive thing for myself, but I know plenty of other people who love it.

Being diagnosed with a mental disorder doesn't really mean shit. I've been called quite a few different things and it's just pathetic on what they try to make people out to be. Drugs can help bring actual disorders to the front, but that's only if you actually have it. Oh, if you smoke it right and breakthrough, you're not going to be "paranoid" in the traditional sense. I was fearing for my life the first time I brokethrough, but I was also on DXM. Salvia + DXM are and overall bad combo if you want a pleasant experience. The closest time I had to a pleasant experience on salvia was my first experience and I physically got up while in salvia-land. I tried to run away and my two friends had to tackle my ass. I am also one of the select few who have horrific experiences with the drug no matter what. It usually ends up in hallucinations attacking me or I melt/fuse with something in a very unpleasant way. I smoked x10 in the beginning and then I moved onto x30. Make a gravity bong and take the hit quickly or the active chemicals will condense and form a solid film on the inside of the gravity bong. You can tell the difference in hits that you let sit a second or two longer than the ones you take immediately. I've experimented with the drug countless times and I personally know it is never a positive thing for myself, but I know plenty of other people who love it.

Yea, cos i was once VERY VERY VERY paranoid, now i'm a lot more chilled out, apparantly still paranoid but less than before i started smoking weed

schizotypal?
And, no, you should probably stay away from psychedelics if you have that many personality disorders. I mean seriously, you're going to be paranoid for the whole trip.

You wont be paranoid the whole trip. When you are coming up, yes you will have anxiety and euphoria. But when you peak, you let go and fall into your consciousness. You aren't your so called "normal" self after. I really would suggest acid or shrooms for a first trip.

Yea, cos i was once VERY VERY VERY paranoid, now i'm a lot more chilled out, apparantly still paranoid but less than before i started smoking weed

From what I gather from other people as well as my own experiences, salvia is either a really funny drug that's a great source of amusement, it's really fucking annoying, or you'd rather be dead than fuck with it ever again. The only way to know if it will change you, is to try it. I studied a year and a half and even wrote a fucking paper on salvia before I was able to try it. I knew what to expect and I got something I never knew could happen. It's one of those things you just have to say, "Fuck it." Then you either take the hit or you stay away. You'll know the cold sweat and odd body temp. is when salvia gets it slimy claws all over you and you realize it that split second before it takes you away. That split second feeling and the trip can make you forget true reality. Just be safe with it and do not do it in uncomfortable situations, you will regret it.

You wont be paranoid the whole trip. When you are coming up, yes you will have anxiety and euphoria. But when you peak, you let go and fall into your consciousness. You aren't your so called "normal" self after. I really would suggest acid or shrooms for a first trip.

There's nothing wrong with using it as your first psychedelic. It was my first true psychedelic and I had a horrific time with it, but I love tripping more that anything else just not salvia.

this is what works for me (for "breaking through" at least)
hold in 30sec minimum
torch whole time
smoking through water works best, if not then regular pipe
be ready for it mentally
dont do it if you are not 100% wanting to
butane lighter! (salvia burns hotter than weed i heard)
enjoy!

The first time i smoked salvia it wasn't that crazy or anything- but i can describe it for you.

I was standing still after taking a couple of bong hits with a bic and i was looking at the floor just totally zoned as it started to hit me. I visualized everything being made of visible, tiny pieces, held together in a manner not far distant from lego blocks. When i was spacing i suppose i had the feeling of being pulled back and it had the influence on my brain to hallucinate that the world split into two right where i was standing- my legs up to my knees were in front of me and the rest of my body was falling into the white void beneath me. Instinctively, i took a step and everything was back to normal. Time elapsed: ~1-2 minutes.

Another time, I was on the highway in my cousin's car after taking two or three pipe hits with a bic i imagined- more like entered a dream, not hallucinating- my seat sliding back into a world of nonexistant beings. When they saw me, they all wanted to be the one sitting in my seat so they could exist. I protected my seat and said, "no!" and i slid back forward and into reality, thankful that I still existed. I don't remember what the nonexistant beings looked like. Time elapsed: ~1-2 minutes.

Aside from those two distinct "trips", I experienced a lot of minor effects, such as (several times) spacing out looking at things and imagining the small parts of the thing communicating and flowing... kinda hard to describe. Impossible to describe, really. Watching them made me realize that the flowing and communication led to something incredibly important, but I never found out.

It bothers me to this day. Well, not really.

In the end, my trips weren't too severe or crazy. Before that, the hardest thing i have ever done was weed (lol noob, not hard at all! lolz!!!111) and i was not overwhelmed. My advice is: use your best judgment. And aside from that, do it with a friend or with a babysitter that makes you feel really relaxed. someone you can trust, who makes you feel good about yourself, etc. in a place where you don't have to worry about anything. These subtleties will almost ensure a good trip.

There's currently a bill in the wisconsin congress in effort to make the extracts illegal. we'll see how that goes.

I wanted to point out that salvia is a non-descriptive misnomer- the classification of "salvia" is Salvia Divinorum, or Diviner's sage. So literally every time you say salvia, you're talking about smoking a non-specified species of the Salvia genus. ha, ha.

Ok then my question is sort of answered, basically jsut think what the fuck, experiance differs between people, but one more question, which one from here (http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online_headshop/productCategory.cfm?iProductCategoryID=89)
I was thionking maybe this (http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online_headshop/Mazatec_Salvia_Divinorum_Tincture.cfm?iProductID=3 855)

No offense, but you fail at this. Try here (http://www.alienthings.com/wholesale_salvia_divinorum_leaf_and_extract.html).

Mazatec Salvia Divinorum Tincture is a highly concentrated and premium grade Salvia extract, mixed with water and alcohol, and peppermint for a much more flavoursome taste.

If you want the liquid extract, just add the salvia extract to some peppermint/mint or maybe another extract from the grocery store. You'll control the potency and can adjust it to suit your needs.

i got salvia from bbb and it was great because i tripped and got 20% off with the coupon code Code: Future20 . my total amount for 3g of 20x was $41 including shipping great deal

I think the main risk of salvia is burning your house down. So get a sitter so you don't have to try to put out the burning stuff on the floor in the few second you have before leavign the planet.

Don't let salvia put you off the fun psychedelics.

God Salvia is such a weird fucking drug.
Last time I did it a psychedelic train (one made entirely of colorful patterns) pulled into my room and I became a section of it. I had to "do my part" as the Salvia woman kept telling me. Also my legs split apart and kept splitting until my body was two different entities that recombined into a lawn chair.

I also attempted to record my trip on paper. This is what it reads from what I can make out. (Its hard as fuck to write on salvia, most of it is from the first few moments and the last minute or so, the middle of the trip I was incapacitated)

2:34 (When I hit my bong)
The train comes
Praii
Disshs


Pags the Rours home
My shotgun across goes the stfte -> stiffle goes to the left

Stiffler says he was just like


2:48
I'm hungry

The stiffler is the name I had given to the leaf blower being used by my neighbor outside, the drone of it turned into a voice that kept repeating something to me but I forget what.
Also salvia gives me INSANE munchies once I come down, and I always proceed to make a full meal once I'm done.

I have 20X and it definitely does me good, I smoke 1 bowl in 1 hit, QUICKLY put my bong down if I'm not with a friend (last time I spilled bong water everywhere) , and let the power of salvia rape my mind.