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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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#1
 2008-01-19, 08:58
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Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
I did some searching around on google, spat out this (http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=2348)from Erowid. I'm thinking "Crack is freebase coke, so that people can smoke it" and that this is probably the same for morphine ... right?
I'm not sure, so maybe someone well-read and more experienced with opiate use can help me with this. Which form is best for smoking morphine out of a light bulb?
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#2
 2008-01-19, 09:00
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
Freebase FTW.
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#3
 2008-01-19, 09:02
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
Freebase FTW.
Thats what I thought, thats for confirming, noob. ;)
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#4
 2008-01-19, 18:41
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
Uhmm. Are you seriously considering freebasing morphine sulphate, and smoking it out of a lightbulb vaporizor?
I mean. It would get you high.
...but seriously. If you're going through all the trouble...just bang it.
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#5
 2008-01-19, 19:03
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Zex 
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
...but seriously. If you're going through all the trouble...just bang it.
exactly
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#6
 2008-01-19, 20:17
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
...but seriously. If you're going through all the trouble...just bang it.
Nah, this is just an experiment for now.
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#7
 2008-01-19, 20:21
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
Are you extracting the morphine from the binders, or are you just kinda...smoking plastic?
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#8
 2008-01-19, 20:24
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
Since you have no idea exactly what I am doing, you shouldn't assume I'm starting with pills.
There are no binders or plastic in the solution. Hell, the solutions yet to even be prepared yet, I'm just getting my information.
Edit - it will be extracted from a solution.
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#9
 2008-01-19, 21:00
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jamaica0535 
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
probably not going to be the same rush as injecting, but should be faster than snorting it... and probably much higher bioavalibility...
shouldnt be hard to do... crush up the pills, add them to some ammonia... then separate the ammonia from the morphine freebase... but dont expect a solid precipitate, i believe morphine freebase is more of an oily substance for lack of a better description..
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#10
 2008-01-19, 21:42
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g0d00 
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
why don't you just pop a few and blow back? why all these crazy crackhead lightbulbs. don't listen to the morons telling you to bang it either, just pop the damn pill
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#11
 2008-01-19, 21:44
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
probably not going to be the same rush as injecting, but should be faster than snorting it... and probably much higher bioavalibility...
Which is just fine by me. ;)
... crush up the pills ...
Nope, no pills. ;)
... dont expect a solid precipitate, i believe morphine freebase is more of an oily substance for lack of a better description..
Good to know, thanks. Do you know anything about the reaction taking place here, like ... why ammonium chloride makes it a base, what reaction is going on ...?
My chemistry's pretty shabby :o.
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#12
 2008-01-19, 21:45
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
just pop the damn pill
... there isn't one.
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#13
 2008-01-19, 21:59
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eXo5 
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
i fail at chemistry... even though i got a b up until i didn't get a chance to take the final (expelled) my final grade was like a d or something lol... umm idfk.. wish i could help. you could always just swallow said umm... whatever you had. put a little bit in some vodka or some other type of liquor. and quite frankly, i don't think i'd want to freebase an opiate. i don't really like freebasing anything other than thc for that matter so ;)
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#14
 2008-01-19, 22:04
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
you could always just swallow said umm... whatever you had.
lol, yes, but I'm attempting this for fun. I don't have a job and aren't taking any classes right now, need something to keep me occupied for the time being ;). And I think inhalation requires less material then oral consumption, so ... it'll just be fun to play around with it a bit.
i don't think i'd want to freebase an opiate.
If you don't mind my asking, is there any particular reason why not?
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#15
 2008-01-19, 22:13
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jamaica0535 
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
Good to know, thanks. Do you know anything about the reaction taking place here, like ... why ammonium chloride makes it a base, what reaction is going on ...?
My chemistry's pretty shabby :o.
i only know basic chemistry, i know that the main goal of this reaction is to hack off the sulphate ion... a basic solution will do just that... i believe with cocaine to crack, the cocaine will disolve into the ammonia, but without the hydrochloride ion attached to it it becomes insoluble and it starts to precipitate into a solid form... but if memory serves many drugs arent solids in their freebased form.. which is why the salts are typically sold..
If you don't mind my asking, is there any particular reason why not?
its probably pretty addicting... but thats it...
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#16
 2008-01-19, 22:23
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
i only know basic chemistry, i know that the main goal of this reaction is to hack off the sulphate ion...
I'll need to do some more research and some experimentation with this, thanks for your efforts man.
its probably pretty addicting... but thats it...
Understandable.
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#17
 2008-01-19, 23:28
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jamaica0535 
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
i knew i had read about this somewhere a while back...
thank you stupid noob...
Freebase morphine and oxycodone will not decompose at their melting points. There is something like awww, fuck, another 100 degrees C until decomp. Basing is easy.
Add NaOH to water, add pill mass, stir a bunch, keeping it cool. Then add a good nonpolar solvent like ether, and shake it really well. You could add table salt to help push some of the base out of the lye solution. Seperate the polar and nonpolar layers, and then evaporate the nonpolar layer until you have a scent free oil like substance. Then, take that, and put it in an oil burner, aka chicken bone aka glass dick, whatever, and smoke it as you would any other freebase.
As for amounts, you want to use as little as possible for easy of evap and working with it.
For the lye solution, just keep adding it until its saturated, then add about .25 the total volume of water to it, to ensure you don't get any pure NaOH in there.
For the ratios of nonpolar to use, just check and MSDS for the freebase forms miscibility in ether, or whatever nonpolar solvent you choose to use.
I suggest against naphtha since it has higher boiling point distillates in there, and you end up with a more viscous yield, since some of those oils are left behind because of the high BP, contaminating your product.
It is more for novel use than anything. If you are fine with using IV I suggest you stick with that. If you have the extra dope, and extra chems, and extra time to fuck around and try something new, go for it, but don't have your expectations too high.
Smoking the salt form ALSO works, but not NEAR as well. A huge waste IMHO.
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#18
 2008-01-20, 05:40
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
Good information, much appreciated man.
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#19
 2008-01-20, 18:49
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oxydose 
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
Jesus christ you ppl don't even take time to read the posts anymore it seems, he says he wants to try smoking FREEBASE morphine, thus he would remove the sulfate base...
How do you guys get that hes going to be smoking peices of a pill after reading his post?
Did any folks really ever smoke OxyContin like ppl here claimed, I know I've seen it pop up from time to time with some people always swearing that a "friend" of their smokes all the OC they buy and shit, always sounded kinda off too me.
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#20
 2008-01-20, 22:23
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The Death Monkey 
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Re: Morphine freebase or salt forms better for inhalation?
Get opium. Seriously.
Opium with a dab of honey-oil would be awesome.
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