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| Better Living Through Chemistry Discussions of any and all sorts of mind-warping chemicals, pills, booze, mind machines, trippy stuff, current street prices, importing pharmaceuticals, smart drugs, nutrients, herbs, and altered states. Please try to keep your conversations "theoretical" in nature, since this is an open conference. |
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 2008-01-19, 01:12
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Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
To my general knowledge with Benzos, such as: Valium, Xanax, Ambein, etc, you can not overdose if taken alone.
First of all, is this true?
I remember a thread about someone who took upwards of nearly 1000mgs of Valium...
One of my friends who will be a doctor one day, and a damn fine one at that, says you can overdose with Benzos.
So if it's true (You can't OD)...
Here's the Question...
Could you find me some articles that show proof?
...I know there is google and I hate asking you guys to do work for me, but I'm having some trouble finding articles.
Thanks,
Chris
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#2
 2008-01-19, 01:56
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
If you think you can't OD on benzos you are fucking retarded.
GTFO faggot.
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#3
 2008-01-19, 02:02
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
benzos increase the release of GABA in the brain. this is the same neurotransmitter as is affected by alcohol. so, if you can OD on alcohol you can OD on benzos even easier.
EDIT: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=benzodiazepine+ld50&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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#4
 2008-01-19, 02:09
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
Your definitely a fucking retard if you think you can't OD on Benzos! AND AMBIEN IS NOT A GOD DAMN BENZO! Like the poster above me said GET THE FUCK OUT NOOB....
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#5
 2008-01-19, 02:31
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
it will take more benzos than you'll ever see in your life to cause an OD
the above posters are fucking cockfags
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#6
 2008-01-19, 02:43
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
To my general knowledge with Benzos, such as: Valium, Xanax, Ativan, etc, you can overdose if taken alone and especially with alcohol.
Fixed.
I say this for the simple fact once you start and you have more, you're taking more.
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#7
 2008-01-19, 02:48
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
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Originally Posted by Chemical Eudaemonia
it will take more benzos than you'll ever see in your life to cause an OD
the above posters are fucking cockfags
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wow, your more retarded i thought...
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#8
 2008-01-19, 04:26
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
Holy fuck. People, please. Don't give absolute info on things you aren't sure of.
No, you can't (feasibly) OD on benzodiapines by themselves. In combination with another CNS depressent, yes, you can.
But if not...?
It's almost impossible. Super-human(upwards of 1,000mg) doses of diazepam, clonazepam AND alprazolam have been ingested, tolerated, and recorded.
steel211 of these boards undertook a few experiments himself, I believe.
It's not fucking hard to find sources, look up the word LD-50 with a benzo name in google.
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#9
 2008-01-19, 04:56
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
If you have a tolerance, sure, you can take more of any drug which that tolerance adheres to. But, the fact of that matter is, is that pills are pills, alcohol's alcohol and heroin's heroin. If you ingest enough of anything, even water, you will and can die. Your body's a fragile thing. Back to the tolerance thing...if a person who has never taken a xanax or benzo before takes 30 of them, he'll most likely fall into a coma or die. Now, if an addict who's been taking 50mg's of xanax a day for the last 25 years takes 100 pills, he'll probably have little to no effects. Ya idiots!
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#10
 2008-01-19, 05:07
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
Your body is not fragile....nuff said
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#11
 2008-01-19, 05:09
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Chemical Eudaemonia 
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
wow, your more retarded i thought...
because i was right? how stupid does that make you then, mexican or some shit?
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#12
 2008-01-19, 05:21
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
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Your body is not fragile....nuff said
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Tell that to your liver, kidney's and heart, my mentally challenged friend.
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#13
 2008-01-19, 05:21
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
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Originally Posted by ridejewel
If you have a tolerance, sure, you can take more of any drug which that tolerance adheres to. But, the fact of that matter is, is that pills are pills, alcohol's alcohol and heroin's heroin. If you ingest enough of anything, even water, you will and can die. Your body's a fragile thing. Back to the tolerance thing...if a person who has never taken a xanax or benzo before takes 30 of them, he'll most likely fall into a coma or die. Now, if an addict who's been taking 50mg's of xanax a day for the last 25 years takes 100 pills, he'll probably have little to no effects. Ya idiots!
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Pills are pills?
...and alcohol is alcohol?
Wow, thanks Mr. Berra.
Holy fuck. People, please. Don't give absolute info on things you aren't sure of.
Seriously though. If someone who had never taken xanax bars before took 30 bars worth (60mg), they would pass the fuck out. And wake up sometime in the next day, not remember a fucking thing, possibly with a carrot partially shoved up their ass.
Unless they were combining with alcohol or other CNS depressants, death isn't even REMOTELY possible from 60mg xanax.
Not even for a starving ethiopian.
k?
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#14
 2008-01-19, 05:28
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Chemical Eudaemonia 
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
Tell that to your liver, kidney's and heart, my mentally challenged friend.
sure thing. my liver and kidneys are very resilient to abuse.
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#15
 2008-01-19, 05:45
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
by themselves...
i agree with CE in that your not going to see, or be able to eat enough to kill you...
now thats an overdose ending in death... if you consider an overdose something that leaves you in a coma for a while, thats very possible...
in all reality if they killed you, it would probably be from dehydration because no one found your unconscience bod for the next few days...
stupid noob once told a story about one of his friends taking a massive amount of klonopins, not sure of the mg per pill, but i belive it put him into a coma...
the LD50 is something like 1g/kg in rats for xanax... i think its a little higher than that actually like 1200mg/kg...
edit: i found the post.. 90mg of klonopin... went into a coma for a couple of weeks....
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#16
 2008-01-19, 05:50
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
it takes a lot to od on benzos , especially if you have a tolerance. a friend or mine IIRC took 88mgs of alprazolam and "woke up in prison"
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#17
 2008-01-19, 05:51
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
Seriously though. If someone who had never taken xanax bars before took 30 bars worth (60mg), they would pass the fuck out. And wake up sometime in the next day, not remember a fucking thing, possibly with a carrot partially shoved up their ass.
Unless they were combining with alcohol or other CNS depressants, death isn't even REMOTELY possible from 60mg xanax.
Not even for a starving ethiopian.
k?
How much does the said person weigh? How old are they? What are their ALT (liver enzyme levels)? See, there are certain factors that have to be calculated into each figure individually. That's why we have doctors. Idiot.
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#18
 2008-01-19, 05:53
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
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Originally Posted by Dmt_Tengu
it takes a lot to od on benzos , especially if you have a tolerance. a friend or mine IIRC took 88mgs of alprazolam and "woke up in prison"
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A 'friend of mine'. Everyone has 'friends,' don't we? Live your own life you fuckin', blood sucking leach of a whore.
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#19
 2008-01-19, 06:03
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
How much does the said person weigh? How old are they? What are their ALT (liver enzyme levels)? See, there are certain factors that have to be calculated into each figure individually. That's why we have doctors. Idiot.
Listen, man. Before we go around name calling, I'd personally ingest 1g of xanax and expect to be fine within a week and not require medical attention.
I would expect my 6 year old cousin to fare the same.
And believe me, I'm well aware of the effects of various different liver enzymes on benzo metabolisation. If your concentrations are off to the point that 1g of xanax has the sedative potential of 20g, you've got A LOT more to worry about than xanax OD...
And 20g probably wouldn't even kill you. The stuff really doesn't depress the CNS [by itself] to any noticeable extent.
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#20
 2008-01-19, 06:07
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
Listen, man. Before we go around name calling, I'd personally ingest 1g of xanax and expect to be fine within a week and not require medical attention.
I would expect my 6 year old cousin to fare the same.
And believe me, I'm well aware of the effects of various different liver enzymes on benzo metabolisation. If your concentrations are off to the point that 1g of xanax has the sedative potential of 20g, you've got A LOT more to worry about than xanax OD...
And 20g probably wouldn't even kill you. The stuff really doesn't depress the CNS [by itself] to any noticeable extent.
a gram would put you into a coma for a bit more than a week but im sure it wouldn't kill you... 90mg of klonopin will put you out for a couple of weeks but the half life of xanax is significantly shorter... still, theres a big jump from 90mg to a gram...
but you would probably need medical attention in order to get enough nutrients and water to stay alive...
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#21
 2008-01-19, 06:17
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
Listen, man. Before we go around name calling, I'd personally ingest 1g of xanax and expect to be fine within a week and not require medical attention.
I would expect my 6 year old cousin to fare the same.
I'll supply the 1000 pills, you come over and ingest them all. Get a life insurance policy, add me as your beneficiary, plus that to your Will. If you die, I win. If you don't die, you can blow my fuckin' brains out with a mossberg and claim my insurance. Deal? ...a fucking six year old with a 1000mg's of benzo's in them... Blow me.
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#22
 2008-01-19, 06:45
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
I'll supply the 1000 pills, you come over and ingest them all. Get a life insurance policy, add me as your beneficiary, plus that to your Will. If you die, I win. If you don't die, you can blow my fuckin' brains out with a mossberg and claim my insurance. Deal? ...a fucking six year old with a 1000mg's of benzo's in them... Blow me.
can i name the benzo for this little contest?
give me a gram of triazolam
ill pass out for the next 15-40 hours or so and be back to kill you...
got to love a 1.5-5.5 hour half life...
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#23
 2008-01-19, 07:03
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
I actually do recall a user here eating a gram of diazepam in a 24 hour period. He even had pics of the pills with his totse name and everything, and it was a fuck of a story.
Anyone remember who that was?
Oh, and with an LD50 in the range of 700-1200 mg/kg I would say it is TOTALLY fucking possible. With an LD50 that high, a baby could eat a gram of valium and live.
*feeds baby valium*
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#24
 2008-01-19, 07:13
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
Fuck you, Noob. Computers and the Internet can make anything seem real, of all people, you should know that. Nobody has ever taken 1000mg's of any benzo. And to you, ya pseudo-nigger Jamaican fuck; we can do this with any pill you want. Though, no nigger's are allowed in my presence, so blow me, ya swinging primate. Let the AID's get you.
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#25
 2008-01-19, 07:22
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
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Originally Posted by ridejewel
Fuck you, Noob. Computers and the Internet can make anything seem real, of all people, you should know that. Nobody has ever taken 1000mg's of any benzo. And to you, ya pseudo-nigger Jamaican fuck; we can do this with any pill you want. Though, no nigger's are allowed in my presence, so blow me, ya swinging primate. Let the AID's get you.
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that wont be a problem... im not black, nor have i ever tried to act black... or claim i am jamaican in any way..
in actuality im a 17 year old white subburban kid....
names can be misleading, you seem a little bit quick to judge others...
the pill i listed is one of the shortest acting benzos there is... if i ate a gram i would fall into a coma for a little while and then be out of it soon enough...
try to find me some proof that says a gram of any benzo is going to kill me? i imagine i could choke myself to death from having to eat that many pills...
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#26
 2008-01-19, 07:24
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
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Originally Posted by ridejewel
Fuck you, Noob. Computers and the Internet can make anything seem real, of all people, you should know that. Nobody has ever taken 1000mg's of any benzo. And to you, ya pseudo-nigger Jamaican fuck; we can do this with any pill you want. Though, no nigger's are allowed in my presence, so blow me, ya swinging primate. Let the AID's get you.
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Do you even know what an LD50 is you ignorant fuck?
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#27
 2008-01-19, 07:36
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
It was dr. uncle cool.
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#28
 2008-01-19, 07:39
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
Hey Noob, oh wait, noob (I won't give you the dignity of capitalizing your name)...I'm not just more educated, medically, than you, but also educated more than the majority of the participants of this lame forum. And, no, I'm not just some addicted bitch, I'm a second year resident at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle, Washington. Don't you ask me what LD50 is, ya bitch. We usually use LCT50, since it's more specific towards the issue at hand. What's your semi-lethal dose, you twerp. Fuck off!
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#29
 2008-01-19, 07:44
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
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Hey Noob, oh wait, noob (I won't give you the dignity of capitalizing your name)...I'm not just more educated, medically, than you, but also educated more than the majority of the participants of this lame forum. And, no, I'm not just some addicted bitch, I'm a second year resident at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle, Washington. Don't you ask me what LD50 is, ya bitch. We usually use LCT50, since it's more specific towards the issue at hand. What's your semi-lethal dose, you twerp. Fuck off!
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who the fuck cares what school you go to...
Sure SN probably hasnt been to medical school, but he knows his shit better than you probably ever will...
it is possible to be brilliant and never even attempted college, JoePedo comes to mind.... im not even going to try and imagine what that man is capable of....
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#30
 2008-01-19, 07:47
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Chemical Eudaemonia 
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
And, no, I'm not just some addicted bitch, I'm a second year resident at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle, Washington.
I suggest you demand a refund and put the money towards something you're more able with, because you obviously don't know jackshit.
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#31
 2008-01-19, 07:48
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
I suggest you demand a refund and put the money towards something you're more able with, because you obviously don't know jackshit.
nuff said
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#32
 2008-01-19, 08:36
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
Funny, I just posted something about this in SG, I think....
Some guy said that some other guy ODed on benzos and died, I said that isn't possible, he flamed me, I flamed him back, he flamed me again, I left. The end.
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#33
 2008-01-19, 08:52
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
Funny, I just posted something about this in SG, I think....
Some guy said that some other guy ODed on benzos and died, I said that isn't possible, he flamed me, I flamed him back, he flamed me again, I left. The end.Tis better to use facts to pwn them, such as I did here.
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#34
 2008-01-19, 14:33
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
because i was right? how stupid does that make you then, mexican or some shit?
Your fucking stupid! A person can OD on any drug if you take enough. And if you OD on a drug it doesn't mean that you have to die (I OD'd on cocaine once and i didn't die, but i still OD'd). So why don't you just shut the fuck up before you make yourself look more like a fucking retard!
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#35
 2008-01-19, 18:22
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
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Originally Posted by ridejewel
Hey Noob, oh wait, noob (I won't give you the dignity of capitalizing your name)...I'm not just more educated, medically, than you, but also educated more than the majority of the participants of this lame forum. And, no, I'm not just some addicted bitch, I'm a second year resident at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle, Washington. Don't you ask me what LD50 is, ya bitch. We usually use LCT50, since it's more specific towards the issue at hand. What's your semi-lethal dose, you twerp. Fuck off!
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Someone ban this asshole. $10 says he googled LD50 and copypasta'd LCT50, seriously.
I shudder to think someone this ignorant has the means to go to medical school.
[pics or it didn't happen :P]
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#36
 2008-01-19, 19:15
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
Your fucking stupid! A person can OD on any drug if you take enough. And if you OD on a drug it doesn't mean that you have to die (I OD'd on cocaine once and i didn't die, but i still OD'd). So why don't you just shut the fuck up before you make yourself look more like a fucking retard!
I hope we can all agree you can overdose to the point of going into a coma for however long it takes the benzo to wear off, maybe less than a day, maybe weeks.... because thats where all the facts point....
but when it comes down to it, by themselves benzos dont depress the central nervous system enough to do anything but make you fall into a coma...
sure you throw in a couple shots or an opiate with a mega dose of xanax and your dead but without anything else to slow down your breathing your not going to be able to find or eat enough of any benzo to kill you... if the LD50 is 1g/kg... i would have to eat around 77grams of xanax to maybe kill me... thats almost 20,000 bars to kill me... but i imagine if it didn't kill me, i would be in a coma for a long fucking time..
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#37
 2008-01-19, 19:19
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
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I actually do recall a user here eating a gram of diazepam in a 24 hour period. He even had pics of the pills with his totse name and everything, and it was a fuck of a story.
Anyone remember who that was?
Oh, and with an LD50 in the range of 700-1200 mg/kg I would say it is TOTALLY fucking possible. With an LD50 that high, a baby could eat a gram of valium and live.
*feeds baby valium*
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It's interesting you said that, cause on CSI or some shit show like that, some kidnapper fed a kid 4 Valiums and they said the kid died of a "massive overdose".
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#38
 2008-01-19, 19:23
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
Your fucking stupid! A person can OD on any drug if you take enough. And if you OD on a drug it doesn't mean that you have to die (I OD'd on cocaine once and i didn't die, but i still OD'd). So why don't you just shut the fuck up before you make yourself look more like a fucking retard!
Depending on your definition of OD, most people on this forum most likely have.
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#39
 2008-01-19, 19:25
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
It's interesting you said that, cause on CSI or some shit show like that, some kidnapper fed a kid 4 Valiums and they said the kid died of a "massive overdose".
wasn't that just some random dog tranquilizer?
but then again, that show had a guy who freaked out tripping and did a stage dive off of his balcony in a diaper...
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#40
 2008-01-19, 20:30
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
Ban me, ya fucks.
Fuck Totse, Fuck niggers, fuck mexicans, fuck dead babies, fuck the ignorant grunge, Kurt Cobain parter, nigger loving fuck who helped organize this page. Need more? My email address is milinokis28@yahoo.com. Send me some links to Pharmacy sites. Phone number? 360-871-9000. Call me, let me know about all the insider shit. Fuck off!
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#41
 2008-01-19, 20:43
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
good job giving the number to a Domino's Pizza.
haha wow... you're a fucking dumbass.
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#42
 2008-01-19, 20:43
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Originally Posted by ridejewel
Ban me, ya fucks.
Fuck Totse, Fuck niggers, fuck mexicans, fuck dead babies, fuck the ignorant grunge, Kurt Cobain parter, nigger loving fuck who helped organize this page. Need more? My email address is milinokis28@yahoo.com. Send me some links to Pharmacy sites. Phone number? 360-871-9000. Call me, let me know about all the insider shit. Fuck off!
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Get proved wrong then have a little temper tantrum there buddy? ;-P
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#43
 2008-01-19, 21:40
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
Haha...you actually called that? Fuckin' idiot. Though, that is my real email address, I'm not as dumb as you might think I am to give out my correct phone number.
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#44
 2008-01-19, 21:59
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It's interesting you said that, cause on CSI or some shit show like that, some kidnapper fed a kid 4 Valiums and they said the kid died of a "massive overdose".
HAHAHAHA. I seriously HOPE you are not quoting CSI as a fucking source! lulz
EDIT: I have taken 1,500mg's of Valium with 1/4 of a gallon of 80 proof whiskey.
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#45
 2008-01-19, 23:15
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HAHAHAHA. I seriously HOPE you are not quoting CSI as a fucking source! lulz
EDIT: I have taken 1,500mg's of Valium with 1/4 of a gallon of 80 proof whiskey.
 posting from beyond teh grave.....
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#46
 2008-01-20, 00:13
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HAHAHAHA. I seriously HOPE you are not quoting CSI as a fucking source! lulz
EDIT: I have taken 1,500mg's of Valium with 1/4 of a gallon of 80 proof whiskey.
And I'm Hillary fucking Clinton
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#47
 2008-01-20, 00:32
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
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Haha...you actually called that? Fuckin' idiot. Though, that is my real email address, I'm not as dumb as you might think I am to give out my correct phone number.
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lol, no. i googled the number and it came up as Domino's Pizza. good try though.
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#48
 2008-01-20, 01:25
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
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Originally Posted by ridejewel
Ban me, ya fucks.
Fuck Totse, Fuck niggers, fuck mexicans, fuck dead babies, fuck the ignorant grunge, Kurt Cobain parter, nigger loving fuck who helped organize this page. Need more? My email address is milinokis28@yahoo.com. Send me some links to Pharmacy sites. Phone number? 360-871-9000. Call me, let me know about all the insider shit. Fuck off!
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I actually called and ordered 10 large pizzas and had them deliver it to a fake address. Im drunk and that was great!!!!
thanks
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#49
 2008-01-21, 06:01
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
And I'm Hillary fucking Clinton
I'm actually serious. That is only 15x 10mg Valiums. I have a tolerance, to benzos and alcohol.
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#50
 2008-01-21, 06:03
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
Isn't posting phone numbers an infractable offense regardless of who's it is?
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#51
 2008-01-21, 06:14
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I'm actually serious. That is only 15x 10mg Valiums. I have a tolerance, to benzos and alcohol.
i believe your math got fucked somewhere.... thats 150mg of Valium.... not 1,500mg
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#52
 2008-01-21, 16:29
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Vampire Archimiel 
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
i believe your math got fucked somewhere.... thats 150mg of Valium.... not 1,500mg
QFT!!
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#53
 2008-01-21, 21:53
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Snoogins 
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
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Originally Posted by ridejewel
If you have a tolerance, sure, you can take more of any drug which that tolerance adheres to. But, the fact of that matter is, is that pills are pills, alcohol's alcohol and heroin's heroin. If you ingest enough of anything, even water, you will and can die. Your body's a fragile thing. Back to the tolerance thing...if a person who has never taken a xanax or benzo before takes 30 of them, he'll most likely fall into a coma or die. Now, if an addict who's been taking 50mg's of xanax a day for the last 25 years takes 100 pills, he'll probably have little to no effects. Ya idiots!
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QFTFT
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#54
 2008-01-21, 23:22
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consciouscowboy 
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Re: Toxicity of Benzodiazepines
i believe your math got fucked somewhere.... thats 150mg of Valium.... not 1,500mg
Haha, indeed.
Note to self: Stop drinking whiskey.
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