I would like to know if there are any drugs out there that lead you into your subconsciousness.

Hmm, maybe I said that wrong.

I want a drug, kind of like acid or shrooms. BUT, I do NOT want all of the effects like hallucinations and the body high.

I want like a brain high drug that makes you THINK.

Adderal+meditation?

This affect can be achieved without chemicals of any sort. Start looking into meditation and lucid dreaming. Very powerful stuff... I don't think there are any drugs that JUST do that... Although there are many that can lead you on journeys of self discovery, they also have other effects along the way. I recommend DMT and Mescaline for voyages into the subconscious.

id say mescaline or possibly amanitas musciaria

While Amanitas CAN be powerful tools in this respect, they also come at a heavy price. They have one of the biggest body loads I can think of, which is clearly not what he's going for. Also, they are one of the most dangerous drugs you can consume for these purposes... Not to mention a death and rebirth experience might not exactly put you in touch with your inner self as much as you'd hope.

Weed?

I want like a brain high drug that makes you THINK.

Crystal Methamphetamine.

dpt..?

PCP. PCP causes your mind to disassociate from your body, so if you video tape yourself, then you'll see your subconscious(or you'll see yourself on cops).

PCP causes your mind to disassociate from your body

On that note, ketamine. Op what you are looking for is K

Weed?

No, weed doesn't do that for me.

I am talking about something INTENSE.

No idea what DPT/DMT and mescaline is... time for google.

Any experiences with the last ones?

Ok guys, googled all of them, and they all have hallucinogenic side effects.

Is there any drug that is NOT HALLUCINOGENIC?

No, weed doesn't do that for me.

I am talking about something INTENSE.

No idea what DPT/DMT and mescaline is... time for google.

Any experiences with the last ones?

trust me dpt and dmt will give you crazy hallucinogens, and so apparently dont want that. mescaline is like some hallucinations, but its also a mindfuck, and thats what you want, right?

How the fuck have you never heard of mescaline?

I call troll.

I am not that into drugs. I know some stuff, but not a lot. I knew what peyote was, but not that mescaline was in or related to it.

No troll. Who trolls BLTC?

Who trolls BLTC?


Only like, every single person who posts here.

Dude, Ketamine.

It will shut you off from your body and you will explore your mind. Any hallucinations on K are coming from your own imagination. There's nothing to see in a K hole

Well then thats news to me because this is my first time posting here.

So any news on a drug with these effects?

If there isn't, than there isn't and I am at a loss.

EDIT:
About Ketamine, describe it a little bit in detail. I read about it and it kind of fits what I'm describing what I want. How much is a good dose for the first time? What will I experience?

DPT causes little to no visual distortions from what I hear.
DMT is a much more comfortable, familiar trip though (from what I hear, seeing as I havent done DPT), it bends your brain over and fucks it three ways to Jupiter, but ill be damned if it isn't a familiar feeling.

then you'll see your subconscious(or you'll see yourself on cops).

i lold hard.

African Dreamroot. You take it for a week or something like that and then you have really intense dreams that you remember when you wake up for a few days.

Maybe?

off topic, but since were talkin about k.. has anyone ever heard of it being cut with heroin?

Dissociatives (PCP, DXM, Ketamine) would be your best bet, there's nothing like a third plateau DXM trip.

This sounded very interesting. How in the hell would I go about getting it though?

They also mentioned the "dream herb" which is similar.

There are two kinds of dream herbs that I'm aware of, African and Mexican. Both can be obtained from many websites like iamshaman. At least last I checked... Ketamine is DEFINATELY NOT what he's looking for. It doesn't let you explore your inner mind, it lets you zone out for a few hours and look like a retard to the rest of the world. And of course the hallucinations you get are in your mind, that's the case with ALL drugs (that make you see things)... Otherwise they wouldn't be called hallucinations. Ketamine is a stupid drug, with dumb effects, and is bad for you. He's definitely not looking for the effects of Ketamine; I'd say honestly Mescaline is pretty close to what he's looking for. Either that or just straight up meditation/lucid dreaming. That's about the best advice he'll get.

Are these dream herbs legal in the US?

DMT

Or possibly salvia...

both of these don't really cause hallucinations in the typical sense of the walls breathing.... you lose all sense of visual connection with reality... your eyes may still be open but what you see is far from your bedroom....

Salvia is a ride... 1 hit of 7x sent me from laying on a bed to trying to find my way into a giant circus tent in the middle of a white abyss.... Another shortly after and when i closed my eyes i spent a while without a body looking at the intricate systems of triangles made up of people and candy canes... 0 to another dimension in 40 seconds... back to your body in under 5...

Never tried dmt, but i want to.... you will probably find yourself learning a little bit more from DMT... salvia is just fucked in the things that it will show you... you might be able to integrate some of the DMT experiences...

I think everyone seems to be missing that he doesn't want the body high, or hallucinations... You're all making suggestions that are completely pointless because you aren't taking this into consideration. Salvia not only makes you hallucinate terribly, it practically immobilizes you, and you don't even explore your inner self. You explore some bullshit, fake alien world that your mind creates. Not exactly what he's going for. And yes, if I remember correctly the dream herbs are 100% legal to own. However, I also believe they are not approved for human consumption by the FDA, which means that's sort of a gray area...

one more time.. DP FUCKINg T!

At least last I checked... Ketamine is DEFINATELY NOT what he's looking for. It doesn't let you explore your inner mind, it lets you zone out for a few hours and look like a retard to the rest of the world. And of course the hallucinations you get are in your mind, that's the case with ALL drugs (that make you see things)... Otherwise they wouldn't be called hallucinations. Ketamine is a stupid drug, with dumb effects, and is bad for you. He's definitely not looking for the effects of Ketamine; I'd say honestly Mescaline is pretty close to what he's looking for. Either that or just straight up meditation/lucid dreaming. That's about the best advice he'll get.

If you want to be detached from your senses and spend a while with only your mind then the best thing is decently high doses of a dissociative. Sure a low dose just makes you relaxed and retarded, but it goes a lot deeper then that. It's not just 'making you see things'

Acid changes your perception of all of your senses and thoughts and that is way different. I think the OP should drop acid if he wants "like a brain high drug that makes you THINK." and I only didn't suggest it because he specifically said not acid or shrooms.

I know all about high dose dissociatives, I still don't think that's what he wants. And acid isn't what he wants either, which is why I mentioned mescaline. Seriously though, I don't think there is a drug that meets his criteria. The only things that I think can REALLY give him what he wants is some sort of guided meditation or lucid dreaming. He just needs to do some research on those things. I would highly recommend lucid dreaming, because there is nothing else to influence what's happening besides you and your mind. I think it meets his requirements perfectly, and if things go correctly you should remember everything with intense detail.

Calea Zacatechichi... I should have a QP by this afternoon.

Experiences with this?

This and silene canepsis are the closest things I've come to. Although the effects occuring while asleep are not a problem, I was just hoping I could be awake for something.

I guess there is no drug that meets my criteria. Oh well.

Now, is iamshaman a reliable source?

Believe it or not, through self-analysis it is possible to trace your conscious emotions, and the thoughts behind them, to clear subconscious values and beliefs.


This (http://www.amazon.com/Guide-Rational-Living-Albert-Ellis/dp/0879800429) book discusses a think called Rational Emotional Behavior Therapy, which is a way to eliminate self-defeating beliefs.

It discusses seeing into your unconscious, but also if there happens to be something you want to change or recognize in your self that is centered around a subconscious value or belief, it might be of help.

No, weed doesn't do that for me.

I am talking about something INTENSE.

No idea what DPT/DMT and mescaline is... time for google.

Any experiences with the last ones?

Ok guys, googled all of them, and they all have hallucinogenic side effects.

Is there any drug that is NOT HALLUCINOGENIC?

Your a dick

On that note, ketamine. Op what you are looking for is K

K is a mother fucking GOD SEND. now if only i could find god so he would send me some =\

Ketamine in low enough doses isn't hallucinogenic... and wtf, you're not going to enjoy it unless you're tripping and laughing at all the insanity skewing reality around you... fucking noobs today, they kill me

Your a dick

You're incapable of spelling correctly.

Reasons?

There are a lot of legal dream herbs out there you could try them. But not salvia thats probably not what you're looking for.

5-meo-dmt

I'm also surprised nobody suggested a low dose of MDMA. Mediating on like half a tab is really good stuff.

I know all about high dose dissociatives, I still don't think that's what he wants. And acid isn't what he wants either, which is why I mentioned mescaline. How the fuck do you come to the conclusion that he doesn't want acid, but mescaline might be what he wants? Are you not the one saying 'I think everyone seems to be missing that he doesn't want the body high, or hallucinations... You're all making suggestions that are completely pointless because you aren't taking this into consideration.' Then you go and suggest mescaline over acid, like somehow it has less visuals and is less hallucinogenic.

Personally, I would have to say MDMA, in a low dose, is quite possibly your best bet. I'm suprised r_connoly is the only one who mentioned that. Also ketamine might be what your looking for, as mentioned several times. Your best bet is researching all these drugs and reading experience reports and finding out for yourself which one sounds like it most fits what you're looking for.

Yeah really... I was sitting here looking at everything mentioned, and MDMA and Methylone didn't even get a mention.

I have never done Methylone but I have heard that some people find it more mature than MDMA, expensive, but probably worth it for your needs.

And MDMA (if you can find it pure) would also be really good for your needs, I don't think my brain has moved faster and shown me more images than when I was on good MDMA, well... 1/4oz. of cubensis did that too, but that isn't for you.

MDMA will give you a body high, no hallucinations (unless you take a lot) and the body high CAN'T be bad, it is always great... so there is nothing to worry about... also, good MDMA is NOT very stimulating at all, which cuts down on the body load a lot.

there's nothing like a third plateau DXM trip.

Theres nothing like a FOURTH plateau DXM trip , theres nothing like not being able to walk more than a step without vomiting violently. theres nothing wrong with barely being able to crawl on your hands and knees. Theres nothing like passing in and out of conciousness randomly. yep, Theres nothing like a FOURTH plateau DXM trip.

Theres nothing like a FOURTH plateau DXM trip , theres nothing like not being able to walk more than a step without vomiting violently. theres nothing wrong with barely being able to crawl on your hands and knees. Theres nothing like passing in and out of conciousness randomly. yep, Theres nothing like a FOURTH plateau DXM trip.

Personal experience, you have?

Personal experience, you have?

Or maybe personal rave rape experiences, you have?

Or maybe personal rave rape experiences, you have?

I have never been to a rave and your statement doesn't make any sense

I have never been to a rave and your statement doesn't make any sense

I was asking if you had ever been raped at a rave. Since you've never been to a rave i'll assume you've been raped elsewhere.

Just curious, but why don't you want any hallucinations? If you can find it, I think MDMA (the chemical in real ecstasy) is what you're looking for. It will probably be pretty hard to find MDMA though, because ecstasy usually has meth or caffeine in it.

Yes, I'm suggesting Mescaline over LSD because I believe it fits his criteria more so then LSD. What's your point? If you have a valid one I seem to be missing it. And yes, iamshaman is one of the MOST reliable websites you can use to purchase this sort of stuff from. They have great customer service, send things out quickly, and offer all sorts of deals and promotions. Not to mention they have some of the best prices available, and a large selection of products. I highly recommend using them for all your entheogen needs.
MDMA COULD work I guess, but I'm not sure by itself it's what he's looking for. And if he's just going to spend his time meditating on the substance, why not just meditate without a substance? That way you can learn to achieve the mindset you're looking for without any exterior help. Then in the future you can recall it and experience it again whether or not a substance is available. (and without spending money) Personally, I think you should just look into lucid dreaming. People don't give it enough credit because they've never tried it, and even when they do a lot of people don't really accomplish it. People just hear the dreaming part and think, I've had dreams before that's not what I'm going for. Trust me; it can be so intensely powerful it blows most people’s fucking minds. Look into it, REALLY look into it. It, in my opinion, fits the description of what you're looking for to a T. And, the best part of all is you usually remember EVERYTHING about it, every little detail. Anyway, hope this helps.

You're incapable of spelling correctly.

Reasons?

Are you fucking retarded? Everything in the sentence was spelled correct you little fag and who gives a flying fuck if it is or isnt? Fuck you. And fuck your mom. You little bitch.

Yes, thank you Johnny, your new comment was worth posting in a thread that had been inactive for 4 (Yes, count them FOUR) days...

Are you fucking retarded? Everything in the sentence was spelled correct you little fag and who gives a flying fuck if it is or isnt? Fuck you. And fuck your mom. You little bitch.

actually, since you brought this topic back from the dead.....
you said Your a dick

you used 'your' in its possessive sense. the correct word is 'you're', i.e. - You're a dick. it's the contraction for you are, thus you're a dick is a shortened form of you are a dick.

therefore, you're an idiot, this time. nothing personal. i certainly don't want the fag to be right, and i at least know your (note the correct possessive usage) name a little, so i mean no harm, but....english is english. spelling, syntax, grammar...mechanics of language exist for a reason.

Actually r007, he was correct, so you can't claim otherwise. There was no misspelled word in that statement. You're right in claiming he used the wrong version of a word... But, next time, tell him that from the start instead of saying he misspelled something. This forum needs more confusion like I need a higher tolerance...

i never said he misspelled it. i just said he used the word incorrectly and pointed out its correct usage. it was torquman who said he spelled it incorrectly, and as i mentioned, he is a douchenozzle.

My mistake, it was torqueman who made them claim. Please accept my apology.