So this isn't about sources, but rather curosity. Has the RC net buisness basically halted? i've been away from the scene (or the screen) lately so i'm not really sure. Also, what ever came of that church (temple?) with their 2c-i?

Not halted. Just mad hard to tell who's legit without undrug.

It's not that hard. You just need to be careful and use common sense. Ask the source in question detailed questions, such as scanned GM/MS reports on the products.

Hasn't haulted for me, but I'm in a private community where I find legit vendors.
I don't know what you mean by the churches 2c-i.

I seem to recall that church, and I think uncle sam told them to get fucked. RCs are still around though, just gotta know who to trust.

It doesn't seem like there are any RC topics here on BLTC ever. Some of the RC's are my favorites. Alot of people on here probably don't know how to find sources though, maybe thats why.

Not really a whole lot to talk about there besides what they do, which can be found on erowid or google, or where to find them, which is against the rules.

im still confused as to why 2c-b is not hugely popular

rcs suck

get real drugs n00bs

i hope your joking.
in fact im half sure of it.

I actually agree... Although I'm sure there are some RCs out there that have wonderful effects, and aren't damaging to your health at all, there is just simply no way of knowing for sure right now. The research just hasn't been done... The facts aren't in yet. Hell, if something happens doctors wouldn't even know what to do to treat you. When it's hard to even find an accurate dose for a drug, it's doubtful anyone is going to know what to do in the event of an OD or other significant problem. In my opinion, RCs are just best avoided. Who knows what they're doing to your body. Shit, may be a whole generation of flipper babies out there soon ;)

The chances of it causing any harm like that are very slim. LSD was once an RC of sorts too.
Doses are already known.
Theirs many (legal) drugs on the market without much study on their long term effects.
Anyway, they are all analogues of drugs you are familiar with and would take, so.. yeah, I would give them a shot. They wont be around much longer.
edit- look at shulgin, he has done INCREDIBLE amounts of these RC's, and hes old, and healthy. Hes been doing them for a long ass time too.

You do have some valid points, but at the same time I'm willing to safely bet he's at least 3x time smarter than the average RC user. And I can probably prove that by saying, he can make those RCs... Most RC users can not. And it's not that uncommon that people get hurt from RC use. I have heard of many occasions where people want to try to get fucked up so they take huge doses and have permanent problems; especially with strange RCs like 5-MeO-Amt... I've heard of several people having to stop using all drugs altogether after a particularly high dose of that. They said all drugs made them trip and hallucinate after that dose, even alcohol and weed. I also heard of one case where someone overdosed on a RC (Don't recall which one...) and it was so bad his legs actually somehow lost circulation, and ended up needing to be amputated. Although I cannot vouge for the authenticity of these stories, there wouldn't be so many of them out there if there wasn't at least some bit of truth to them. It's also quit common for people to get hurt from RCs because people sell them as something else. For instance, people who sell RCs and acid. People take it, don't feel the effects as quickly as they should, keep taking more and, pow. Overdose. Just because it's not happening to all the users out there doesn't mean it doesn't happen with quite a degree of regularity. It's unfortunate but true, and in my opinion, they are best avoided.

People like that are fucking retarded, and shouldn't be doing drugs in the first place. Darwin for the fucking win.

Haha... Ok... And hurray eugenics too...? *shrugs questioningly*

That church that sold 'spice' or 2c-i was located in toronto supposedly, so SN Uncy Sam had nothing to do with that...

But supposedly they weren't the best place for that anyway.

I don't see why the RC market would be haulted... infact I know it isn't, I know of only one site that is still functioning though... they sell 2c-i ;)

RC's are too big of a business to stop anytime soon.

Wait, so what you're saying is, just because something takes place in another country... America doesn't get involved? Have you heard nothing of our chemical assaults on the poppy fields of Afghanistan or the coca fields of Columbia? Why do you think all the other countries in the world hate America? Why do you think there is a spoof on us called Team America: World Police? And yes, the RC business as you know it will stop soon, once the government finally places these substances under schedules of their own. It's only a matter of time.

Naw, it'll just be more underground.

You can still get all the schedualed RC's with a bit of looking, just like you can get amps, e and acid online.

Ok dude, you are now on my shit list. STFU about research chems. The supply will NEVER run out. As long as there is a demand, there will be a supply. You even reference the many useless attempts that the U.S. government has used against drugs. Is America drug free? Fuck no! Has Columbia stopped exporting cocaine? Fuck no! Has Afganistan stopped its exports of heroin? Hell fucking no!

As long as people have the knowledge, they will continue. Even if the gov't tries to stomp out this knowledge, people will find different sources. What is &T based upon? Spreading this knowledge. So if you don't believe in this simple principle, GTFO mah Totse!

I actually agree... Although I'm sure there are some RCs out there that have wonderful effects, and aren't damaging to your health at all, there is just simply no way of knowing for sure right now.

Most people who ordered them from a chemist know how to properly titrate doses. Dr. Shulgin has various pharmacology reports from over 25 people for every single chemical that he's made. All available for free at erowid.org
Erowid also has 100s of trip reports for the various RCs. The truth is, how are these chemicals going to become "researched" if real people don't experiment? Are mice the same as humans? No.

Hell, if something happens doctors wouldn't even know what to do to treat you. When it's hard to even find an accurate dose for a drug, it's doubtful anyone is going to know what to do in the event of an OD or other significant problem.

Most RC's are ANALOGUES of scheduled chemicals. Guess what, analogues behave similarly to their "parent" molecule. So yeah, if you go to a doctor while ODing on MDDMA, they're going to give you Tx for MDMA OD.

That church that sold 'spice' or 2c-i was located in toronto supposedly, so SN Uncy Sam had nothing to do with that...

But supposedly they weren't the best place for that anyway.

What was so bad about the church? They seemed good and legit to me, I bought from them a couple times.

....

You have alot of good points, and I'm glad someone said what needed to be said or I was going to have to do it. Thanks

Anyone else use OZ? They have always been coming through.

Well known scammers. You speaking about the site with the aliens and techno music playing? They don't come through at all if that's who you mean.

lol 30 second google search and I found the website you were talking about. looks pretty expensive and not trustworthy (you know, with the techno and all lol)

Haha yeah don't mess with it bro. Well known scam, will take your money and not reply to your e-mails when you ask them where your product is. I'm not dumb enough to fall for it but the private discussion board I'm in theres a couple idiots who fell for it. I always make sure my sources have been tried out by other people before I attempt to order anything.

I have nothing to contribute to this thread.

But DAMN pennylane it's been so fucking long since I've seen that name on my monitor...

Hope you've been well.

- Tom

damn Tom how goes it?

Some of the RC's are my favorites. Alot of people on here probably don't know how to find sources though, maybe thats why.

I'm not gonna lie...I don't know how to find sources that are decent and trustworthy. The only one I've seen is the techno one mentioned already and it looks expensive as fuck and apparently is a scam. I would love to get my hands on some 2c-i b/c noone in my area has heard of it and the last time I got around any of it was when ACS was still around.

damn Tom how goes it?

I'm alright. A lot of shit has happened in my life, and I'm sure it's the same for you. I hope you've been doing well.

- Tom

Ok dude, you are now on my shit list. STFU about research chems. The supply will NEVER run out. As long as there is a demand, there will be a supply. You even reference the many useless attempts that the U.S. government has used against drugs. Is America drug free? Fuck no! Has Columbia stopped exporting cocaine? Fuck no! Has Afganistan stopped its exports of heroin? Hell fucking no!

As long as people have the knowledge, they will continue. Even if the gov't tries to stomp out this knowledge, people will find different sources. What is &T based upon? Spreading this knowledge. So if you don't believe in this simple principle, GTFO mah Totse!



Most people who ordered them from a chemist know how to properly titrate doses. Dr. Shulgin has various pharmacology reports from over 25 people for every single chemical that he's made. All available for free at erowid.org
Erowid also has 100s of trip reports for the various RCs. The truth is, how are these chemicals going to become "researched" if real people don't experiment? Are mice the same as humans? No.



Most RC's are ANALOGUES of scheduled chemicals. Guess what, analogues behave similarly to their "parent" molecule. So yeah, if you go to a doctor while ODing on MDDMA, they're going to give you Tx for MDMA OD.

Uh oh, I'm on your shit list... I better watch out!!! *waves hands in the air while rolling eyes* You’re an idiot... First of all, where in my post ANYWHERE did I say that the supply of research chemicals would stop? I don't see anything even remotely SIMILAR to that in my post. I said the RC business as you know it will soon stop, and it will. Because once the government officially schedules them, it will become much, MUCH harder to order them off the net. And that's a fact. Deal with it douche bag. And my reference to what America is doing in those countries had nothing to do with the supply of drugs you dumb bastard; I was proving my point that just because it doesn't take place in America doesn't mean America won't get involved. Maybe English is your second (or even third language) since you seem to be having problems understand even the simplest of points...
I couldn't tell you what &T is based upon, because I don't know what that even fucking means. And when did I say anything about not believing knowledge could easily be spread? Are you reading someone else's posts and thinking they are mine? And although I'm sure MANY people who order RCs from a chemist could probably accurately measure a dose, many people don't order their RCs from a chemist. They order them from stupid sites made by some person from their house. And even if they knew what dose they needed, who's to say they have accurate digital scales or other measuring devices? I know that TONS of people try to measure out RC doses by "eyeing" them. I hear people talk about it all the time. So don't act like everyone who takes RCs is some genius or something.
Yeah... I know what Shulgin has done... I probably know more about him, drugs, and the drug culture then you could ever hope to know. How are they going to be researched? Oh I don’t know... maybe how chemicals are NORMALY researched (i.e. By scientists in a lab, under actual scientific conditions, usually tested on small rodents first, and them eventually (MAYBE) on primates. If they get far enough and think its safe enough... possibly, eventually it will go into human testing. And you're right, although analogues generally act like their "parent" molecules... With most research chemicals, the doctors don't even have a standard treatment for the parents molecule.
Your head seems to be so far up your own ass you can't seem to realize that you're making yourself look like more and more of an ignorant asshole with every sentence... Please just don't respond, I don't want to have to respond again and make you look like MORE of a douche bag (If that's even possible...)

holy shit learn to type

^ Learn to capitalize, use proper grammar, and address someone...?

Just the shit sources have been shut down.

Like, I can still get DOB, DOI, DOM, DOC, 2C-B, 2C-B-FLY, 2CT2, 2CT7, Etc etc, You just have to know where to look and what other forums you should be looking at that are source specific.

And no I dont mean those shitty ones that anyone can just register and see, the invite only ones I mean.

Uh oh, I'm on your shit list... I better watch out!!! *waves hands in the air while rolling eyes* You’re an idiot... First of all, where in my post ANYWHERE did I say that the supply of research chemicals would stop? I don't see anything even remotely SIMILAR to that in my post. I said the RC business as you know it will soon stop, and it will. Because once the government officially schedules them, it will become much, MUCH harder to order them off the net.
I've ordered MDMA off the net. I regularly get pills from india. Let's see, a few tabs of acid, just arrived. Those are ALL scheduled substances that can be had very successfully and very easily over the net. How is the gov't going to stop this? Connections go deep and when a source goes out of business or gets shut down, they simply just stop accepting new customers and do business under the table with their reputable customers.

Yeah... I know what Shulgin has done... I probably know more about him, drugs, and the drug culture then you could ever hope to know. How are they going to be researched? Oh I don’t know... maybe how chemicals are NORMALY researched (i.e. By scientists in a lab, under actual scientific conditions, usually tested on small rodents first, and them eventually (MAYBE) on primates. If they get far enough and think its safe enough... possibly, eventually it will go into human testing. And you're right, although analogues generally act like their "parent" molecules... With most research chemicals, the doctors don't even have a standard treatment for the parents molecule.
Hmmm, that's funny, cause I'm certain that Shulgin didn't test on rodents first. He tested his substances on his friends and his colleagues.
In fact, I take that as a dumbassed, blanket insult directed at all amateur pharmacologists. You say that those who don't have "scientific labs" are automatically unqualified to handle research chemicals. You underestimate the skill of most RC users. You dude, are the dumbass. There are many examples of well educated chemists on &T even. SN and JoePedo don't have labs, does that make them inadequate to handle RCs?

I couldn't tell you what &T is based upon, because I don't know what that even fucking means. And when did I say anything about not believing knowledge could easily be spread? Are you reading someone else's posts and thinking they are mine? And although I'm sure MANY people who order RCs from a chemist could probably accurately measure a dose, many people don't order their RCs from a chemist. They order them from stupid sites made by some person from their house. And even if they knew what dose they needed, who's to say they have accurate digital scales or other measuring devices? I know that TONS of people try to measure out RC doses by "eyeing" them. I hear people talk about it all the time. So don't act like everyone who takes RCs is some genius or something.
And this is why you should get of &TOTSE.
Guess what happens when people order from "stupid sites made by some person from their house", they get scammed.
Also, Don't blame research chemicals for your friends being dumbasses. Research chemicals aren't dangerous, it's the kidiots that handle them that are.

I probably know more about him, drugs, and the drug culture then you could ever hope to know.
Not even close.

narc.

Yeah you are obviously new to BLTC then lol, Noob.

you mean it's even obvious to noobs that you're a narc?

No I mean nobody in BLTC knows who you are, but they all know who I am and that I'm not a narc.

They also know that I might as well just tell you I am a narc because that's how much I care about what people from totse think lawl.

So yes, Im a narc, i admit it.

No I mean nobody in BLTC knows who you are, but they all know who I am and that I'm not a narc.

people know you're a scammer

but its just come to realization that you've also become a narc

how is that all working out for you stag?

I love rumours so much.

I love rumours so much.

me too

lol y u such a narc?

Being a narc is so fun i get paid like 275,000 a year man you should do it too

nah, being a narc is hella lame. i'll pass

kwstag is not a scammer or a narc. Talk to everyone that he 'scammed' and get the story. Its just a bunch of stupid kids who misunderstoon a deal or tried to get something for nothing. Ive dealt with kwstag a number of times and have nothing but good to say about him. So unless you actually know what you are saying keep your fucking mouth shut and don't speak on things that you know nothing about.

how much did he pay you to say that?

you're just as much of a narc as he is

Where have you "heard" this? I bet you just made that all up..

I have been wanting to get some 2c-i and 2c-b for sometime now myself, hard to find decent sources though, same old troubles: are they reliable? Good product? good prices?

Market isn't dead though i'm sure.

http://sugarmtnfarm.com/blog/uploaded_images/SaddlePig2WeeksNursDSCF3456-767083.jpg

I've ordered MDMA off the net. I regularly get pills from india. Let's see, a few tabs of acid, just arrived. Those are ALL scheduled substances that can be had very successfully and very easily over the net. How is the gov't going to stop this? Connections go deep and when a source goes out of business or gets shut down, they simply just stop accepting new customers and do business under the table with their reputable customers.


Hmmm, that's funny, cause I'm certain that Shulgin didn't test on rodents first. He tested his substances on his friends and his colleagues.
In fact, I take that as a dumbassed, blanket insult directed at all amateur pharmacologists. You say that those who don't have "scientific labs" are automatically unqualified to handle research chemicals. You underestimate the skill of most RC users. You dude, are the dumbass. There are many examples of well educated chemists on &T even. SN and JoePedo don't have labs, does that make them inadequate to handle RCs?


And this is why you should get of &TOTSE.
Guess what happens when people order from "stupid sites made by some person from their house", they get scammed.
Also, Don't blame research chemicals for your friends being dumbasses. Research chemicals aren't dangerous, it's the kidiots that handle them that are.


Not even close.

Ok... Good for you...? It's great you can order scheduled things off the net... I never said you couldn't... Do you honestly just not know how to read, or do you just "read" what you want to see?
Why the fuck are you putting words in my mouth, and then calling me a dumb ass for saying things I actually in fact never said...? I never said if you didn't have a lab you were unqualified... I didn't even say anything remotely similar to that. You need to lay on the RCs or something; it's distorting your view of reality. I was responding to your comment, "how are these chemicals going to become "researched" if real people don't experiment?" by saying, "hhmmmm how about the way REAL chemicals are studied, by REAL scientists". Just because you may have adequate knowledge, or fancy yourself as a scientist, doesn't make you one. And yeah, if you don't have/work at/in a real lab, you probably aren't one. Get over it.
Also, where did I say ANYTHING about my friends taking any RCs? You REALLY need to re-read my message a few times. I think if you do, you'll come to the conclusion you're a dumb shit. I hope so anyway, because I'm getting tired of having to tell you, when it's more than obvious to the rest of the world. I said I know tons of people measure doses by eyeing, and it's a fact. I see people post that they did it on here, the bluelight, Erowid, and all sorts of places. And by the way, you're mistaken; while some research chemicals MAY not be dangerous, it has yet to be proven either way. However, since many of them have at least a few reported cases of sending people to hospitals or giving them permanent mental effects, I'm going to have to go with the "they're dangerous" side for now. If you can prove to me that all RCs are safe, then I'll agree with your statement. Until then, maybe you should listen to your own advice and refrain from making blanket statements, especially when you have your head so far up your own ass it's hard to see the light of day.
Oh, and a little p.s. I think the accuracy of my statements, and the fact that when you post, you make yourself look like an idiot... Well, it only helps to verify my comment a bit more than your, "not even close" one... But thanks for playing...

blah blah blah

when i think of you, i think of this:
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/7120/gay1framebv4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
coincidence? i think not.

shulgins seems to be doing pretty well...

and hes pretty much done all of them... over a long timespan...

i doubt i will ever have kids anyways... unless its an accident or i find some woman who can put up with me... which is doubtful...

All I want to know is how the fuck are all these people buying drugs online? Ive been searching the internet for 4 years and have only found dead end hints and untrustworthy. You fuckers are seriously ordering LSD and pharms? Thats fucked up that I didnt get invited to this club.

No I mean nobody in BLTC knows who you are, but they all know who I am and that I'm not a narc.

how can you not know who CE is

everyone who knows bltc knows distortion....

DAMN, THATS DISTORTION? LOL!! I didnt know he was distortion.

No wonder he kept saying narc, damn, that nigger is still here, i thought he died already

asshole

Doctormayhem: I don't think it's a coincidence, I'm sure you think about men without shirts most of the day; regardless of what's going on in the world around you.

lol at the flame wars boys maybe we need totse private messaging keep that shit under wraps, ya dig?

after much searching and coming up blank (p.s why doesn't undrug work, damn it?..) I kinda just dropped it. Unless someone here wants to give me a push in the right direction it seems to me like what once was an oasis has run dry to a common person like myself.

looking into something new now, expect a thread?

your not gonna find much but RC's and pharms by searching, for LSD, molly, etc you have to meet people.

Doctormayhem: I don't think it's a coincidence, I'm sure you think about men without shirts most of the day; regardless of what's going on in the world around you.
yeah i do, but those particular men come to mind when i think about you, not big, hot, sweaty, naked men, just two fags on a boat.

Chances of finding LSD of MDMA or anything like that on the net, LEGITIMATELY... not great. If you're not too much of an idiot, you can find most pharms and RCs online with relative ease. The biggest issue is using Western Union to pay them. Some accept money orders, which isn't too big of a deal, but if you're lucky you'll find one that just accepts credit cards. Then you don't have to do anything but sit and wait for your stuff in the mail. Haha ;)
Mayhem... You're an idiot... I think that's clear, I don't think there's anything else to say about that. Are you butt hurt because Pooter's your lover and I make him look like a douche bag on more then one occasion in this thread? I'm not sure why you're so upset... Maybe you just don't like people who are right, know they're right, and then go on to prove their points? I don't know... I'm confused about your comments, and blatant homosexuality.

I'm confused about your comments, and blatant homosexuality.

love is a confusing thing, homosexual or not.
but im not in love, i just like the d1ckz, whats so confusing about that?
men know how to touch men, and if i enjoy it is that so wrong?

love is a confusing thing, homosexual or not.
but im not in love, i just like the d1ckz, whats so confusing about that?
men know how to touch men, and if i enjoy it is that so wrong?

lol mahatmaganja420 is a Nazi fascist Commie!!

lol mahatmaganja420 is a Nazi fascist Commie!!

First of all, that's impossible for someone to be a “Nazi fascist commie”... Second of all, why? Third of all, why quote someone else's dumb comment... then try to insult another person, not quoted...?

First of all, that's impossible for someone to be a “Nazi fascist commie”... Second of all, why? Third of all, why quote someone else's dumb comment... then try to insult another person, not quoted...?

joo hate gheys.

Haha, ok... I don't think I do... But, if you say it, it must be true.

i hate gays too and i'm not some nazi commie fuck

http://images.salon.com/news/feature/2005/07/18/ungay/story.jpg

Lol... hell I don't have any thing against any1... if some1 is gay that's good for them. We should all be able to do what we want without having to be judged...

Here's a picture for the Chemical Eudaemonia :p

http://www.trabaca.com/gays2.jpg

Dude, don't say too... That includes me in with you, and I definitely don't belong in whatever group it is that you're in.

ok homophobe.

Ghandi dude, paying for drugs with a CC is the most retarded fucking thing a person can do, and shame on you for promoting such an ignorant practice.


Not to mention shame on you for you homophobia. Joking about faggots and queers is one thing, but if you really are against gay or bi people, that's pretty fucked up, and you've just lost quite a bit of respect.

I'm bisexual myself. I call people faggot all the time. In jest. Or as an insult, which has nothing to do with actual sexuality, but if you are seriously bashing gay/bi people you need to wake the fuck up and get with the times.

Has it ever occurred to you that your extreme hatred for gays is really just an extreme hatred for a part of yourself you can't accept? Your own "Shadow" if you will.......


According to Ann Shulgin, it's not people that we hate, but parts of ourselves we see in those people which we either aren't ready to handle, are scared of, of have been pushed back time and time again through negative reinforcement.


Seems like you have some soul searching to do fag boy. Unless of course all that was in jest, in which case, my bad, never mind. But really, if you hate gays, you need to step back and take a look in the mirror and ask yourself WHY you hate gays, beyond the normal reasons of "its gross, a sin, socially unacceptable etc"

What is it about gays that piss you off so much? Why does a man sucking another mans penis bother you so much? Is it because deep down you long for the penis in your own mouth? Cast aside the stereotypes and phobias of your parents, and learn to be yourself and accept others regardless of what they choose to put in their mouth or ass.

It doesn't affect you, at all, so you have no right to say shit about it.

What stupid noob just said was truthful, too bad it may fall on a deaf crowd. If you hold so many differences between yourself and other people you will become alienated. Alone to live with the self you will come to hate and hide from, until one day you have to face the truth. Wake up, Wake up, Wake up.

And then one day it all hits, and you shoot yourself.

Haha I always knew you sucked dick, Stupid Cunt.

FACT: One out of every three threads on Totse turns into an irrelevant argument between two regular posters.

- Tom

STFU n00blet FAG!!1!

DOB!!!!!! the leg thing was certainly DOB!

are you trying to get people on totse to start calling stupid noob stupid cunt? why do you keep saying stupid cunt? this isnt elementary school anymore..

are you trying to get people on totse to start calling stupid noob stupid cunt? why do you keep saying stupid cunt? this isnt elementary school anymore..

He is just jelous of SN's openess, wishing he could say the same, but worrying about what everybody would think.

Hey has anybody had good results with DC?

If you are talking about the one I'm thinking they were once legit many years ago and now the web site is pretty much no longer active. Try adding something to your cart from the RC's and if it says Sorry! URL Not Registered then it's the one I'm thinking of.

If you are talking about the one I'm thinking they were once legit many years ago and now the web site is pretty much no longer active. Try adding something to your cart from the RC's and if it says Sorry! URL Not Registered then it's the one I'm thinking of.

Oh yeah thanks your right. Damnit its a bitch finding one these days with all the scammers.

But crc is ok right?

This isn't a research chemical verification thread dude. I'll answer your question if you e-mail me but no more answers on here.